[quote]Dynamo Hum wrote:
1" pin should be fine. You are fairly lean right?[/quote]
not sure about my BF at this point but I still have 6 abs showing so I guess so, although the lines have gotten kind of blurry.
[quote]soontobeIFBB wrote:
3mLs in your calves! Unless you got some HOOOOOGE ass calves, thats an abscess waiting to happen bud.[/quote]
17 inches baby! Monsters! lol naaawt. Yah I’m not going to be doing that again, I’m drawing the line at 2 cc’s for any injection site now, unless I decide to use the glute, which will be 3.
1.5" pin = ideal
1" pin = Probably won’t make a difference
I am using 1" pins for glutes having run out of 1.5". I am a lot smaller than you. 6’ 175 lbs.
[quote]Dynamo Hum wrote:
1.5" pin = ideal
1" pin = Probably won’t make a difference
I am using 1" pins for glutes having run out of 1.5". I am a lot smaller than you. 6’ 175 lbs.[/quote]
yah the only thing I’m worried about is my brother used a 1" in his glute once and the oil didn’t make it into the muscle, he had himself a painful lump for like 3 weeks.
Where I live (Quebec, Canada). I can go around the corner to the pharmacy and pick up whatever size needles I want.
Maybe you can pick some up?
[quote]Dynamo Hum wrote:
Where I live (Quebec, Canada). I can go around the corner to the pharmacy and pick up whatever size needles I want.
Maybe you can pick some up?[/quote]
Isn’t that illegal in the U.S.? Drug paraphernalia? I went to a vet store once, and bought some needles meant for animals and I felt sketchy as hell haha.
And then I had 100 syringes shipped to my dorm room P.O. box, that was even sketchier lol
I don’t think so. Here drug stores have to make syringes available for people to discourage unhygienic re-use of needles.
[quote]waylanderxx wrote:
Dynamo Hum wrote:
Where I live (Quebec, Canada). I can go around the corner to the pharmacy and pick up whatever size needles I want.
Maybe you can pick some up?
Isn’t that illegal in the U.S.? Drug paraphernalia? I went to a vet store once, and bought some needles meant for animals and I felt sketchy as hell haha.
And then I had 100 syringes shipped to my dorm room P.O. box, that was even sketchier lol[/quote]
Na, it’s not illegal. I’m not sure which stores will have needles, maybe Walgreens or CVS or a local private pharmacy. Selection may be limited. It can’t hurt to ask around. Online may be cheaper though.
[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:
Na, it’s not illegal. I’m not sure which stores will have needles, maybe Walgreens or CVS or a local private pharmacy. Selection may be limited. It can’t hurt to ask around. Online may be cheaper though. [/quote]
ok thanks. So is it just the syringe that is illegal then? B/c all my syringes have a disclaimer on the pack that they are illegal to possess w/o a doctors order.
[quote]waylanderxx wrote:
BONEZ217 wrote:
Na, it’s not illegal. I’m not sure which stores will have needles, maybe Walgreens or CVS or a local private pharmacy. Selection may be limited. It can’t hurt to ask around. Online may be cheaper though.
ok thanks. So is it just the syringe that is illegal then? B/c all my syringes have a disclaimer on the pack that they are illegal to possess w/o a doctors order.[/quote]
Honestly I’ve never heard of that before. I guess it’s possible. I don’t know all that much about the laws.
When I said needles I meant barrels and pins. I know that by me I can go into a store and get what I need, if I chose to do so.
I believe they are state laws my friends = ) I have a cousin in boston and when i visited him he said that it was legal to get pins etc from pharmacies but it def is not legal here in AZ = ( I tried… Online is cheaper anyways though
[quote]soontobeIFBB wrote:
I believe they are state laws my friends = ) I have a cousin in boston and when i visited him he said that it was legal to get pins etc from pharmacies but it def is not legal here in AZ = ( I tried… Online is cheaper anyways though[/quote]
lol how awkward was that to try and then get turned down?
Couple of things:
Glute and ventroglute can handle a pretty high fluid volume, more than 3mls. I know that ventroglute can hold up to 5mls of fluid, and I would assume this same holds true for glutes. Not that I would want to inject that much in a single site at a time, but I digress.
Yes, injecting 3ml into delts or calves is probably a bad idea. I personally recommend no one ever go over 2mls for delts unless your shoulders are enormous. And stick to the anterior head.
Shooting glute is no big deal. I avoided it my first cycle, but when prop was killing my quad my second cycle I was forced to find a new site. Have you tried using just a syringe and “practicing” injecting glute?
I think you’ll find it is not nearly so daunting as you suspected. I’m very unflexible and I manage. Best advice I have here is to push the arm that doesn’t reach back there against a wall and push it to where you need it to be.
Ventroglute is easy as shit and any quick search of this forum will yield multiple articles explaining exactly how to find it. It is not nearly so mysterious as many here like to make out. I really think that the difficulty of finding this site has become sort of a meme in this forum.
Everybody thinks it’s difficult to figure out because everybody else seems to think it’s difficult to figure out. It’s not. It was my very first injection, in fact.
[quote]Cortes wrote:
Ventroglute is easy as shit and any quick search of this forum will yield multiple articles explaining exactly how to find it. It is not nearly so mysterious as many here like to make out. I really think that the difficulty of finding this site has become sort of a meme in this forum.
Everybody thinks it’s difficult to figure out because everybody else seems to think it’s difficult to figure out. It’s not. It was my very first injection, in fact.[/quote]
It took me a while to use that site. My problem was that the muscle at the injection site is very developed. When flexed it is much harder (literally) than most other injection site. I wasn’t sure if the spot I located was actually the right spot because the descriptions I read said that it was a ‘mushy, fleshy area’ an inch or two above the top of the femur. It is much easier to find the right spot if there is no weight on the leg of the side you want to use, which allows the muscle to relax.
I also underestimated the depth of the injection site. For whatever reason I thought I was going to hit a bone or something when I pushed the needle in. There is a lot of meat there and it is the best place to inject, when all things are considered.
[quote]soontobeIFBB wrote:
I believe they are state laws my friends = ) I have a cousin in boston and when i visited him he said that it was legal to get pins etc from pharmacies but it def is not legal here in AZ = ( I tried… Online is cheaper anyways though[/quote]
I’m in Boston and can vouch for that…but I’d be surprised if it were much different in another state seeing as MA has some of the most ridiculous laws on the books.
I stopped into a CVS two weeks ago and picked up 25 23g 3ml syringes, and 25 25g 3ml syringes. No problems, No questions.
Thanks for the tip on the glute site cortes. Btw the reason I haven’t used ventro glute is b/c isn’t there a nerve or something very close to the site that if you hit, really fucks you up?
I could be mistaken but I swear I read something like that.
[quote]waylanderxx wrote:
All injection sites are created equal, [/quote]
Interestingly, that is NOT the conclusion reached in this oft-referenced study comparing injection sites (glutes vs delts) and injection volume:
[quote]chillain wrote:
waylanderxx wrote:
All injection sites are created equal,
Interestingly, that is NOT the conclusion reached in this oft-referenced study comparing injection sites (glutes vs delts) and injection volume:
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That doesn’t really say much. It just says that deca works better in the glutes, far from an all inclusive study. But nonetheless, point taken.
I didn’t really understand what they concluded about prop though, they were saying something about suppression?
Plasma nandrolone concentrations were influenced (P < .001) by different esters and injection sites, with higher and earlier peaks with the phenylpropionate ester, compared with the decanoate ester
shocker NPP works quicker than Nandro Deca lol
“with the most rapid, but briefest, suppression being due to the phenylpropionate ester, whereas the most sustained suppression was achieved with the 1-ml gluteal injection”
this just means that NPP suppresses people less than Nandro Deca but suppresses them quicker than deca.
“Plasma inhibin concentrations were also significantly influenced by injection volume and site, with the lowest nadir occurring after the nandrolone decanoate 1-ml gluteal injection. Thus, the bioavailability and physiological effects of a nandrolone ester in an oil vehicle are greatest when the ester is injected in a small (1 ml vs. 4 ml) volume and into the gluteal vs. deltoid muscle.”
Bigger muscles > absorption… Calves/Delts=smaller muscles (except on Ronnie)
[quote]egnatiosj wrote:
Plasma nandrolone concentrations were influenced (P < .001) by different esters and injection sites, with higher and earlier peaks with the phenylpropionate ester, compared with the decanoate ester
shocker NPP works quicker than Nandro Deca lol
“with the most rapid, but briefest, suppression being due to the phenylpropionate ester, whereas the most sustained suppression was achieved with the 1-ml gluteal injection”
this just means that NPP suppresses people less than Nandro Deca but suppresses them quicker than deca.
“Plasma inhibin concentrations were also significantly influenced by injection volume and site, with the lowest nadir occurring after the nandrolone decanoate 1-ml gluteal injection. Thus, the bioavailability and physiological effects of a nandrolone ester in an oil vehicle are greatest when the ester is injected in a small (1 ml vs. 4 ml) volume and into the gluteal vs. deltoid muscle.”
Bigger muscles > absorption… Calves/Delts=smaller muscles (except on Ronnie)
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Ok cool. Thanks for explaining that to me, I got lost in all the science jargon hah. Guess I’ll start using the quads/glutes then, fair enough.
I still think that’s wierd though. I don’t see why one muscle would allow for faster absorption than another. I mean it stands to reason if you can only inject 1 cc into the delt and can do up to 3 cc’s or w/e in the glutes, the glutes would be a better option. I just don’t see how the absorption rate can differ like that though, wierd. . .