I hate these type threads…and the tired discussion of boxers and MMA. Too many damn variables…and there is underlying assumption that ALL boxers have the same “style.”
You could take a champion level boxer and train him for MMA and he could get handled…whereas a B to C level boxer might have the better success in MMA.
You have to assess the individual fighter’s athleticism,style,and adaptability. James Toney for instance,imo,doesn’t have a (current) boxing style that translates to success in MMA. And how are you going to untrain that so he can adapt? You can’t,imo. Doesn’t help that he’s way past his prime(major key word in this discussion).
Also,what’s the possibility of taking a young,athletic MMA fighter(think Jon Jones) and training him strictly for boxing for some years…and having some decent success boxing?? It could happen…but that has to take YEARS.
SIDENOTE There is probably one decent boxer I know of that has transitioned to MMA very well…and that’s Jeremy Williams. Granted he has fought mostly cans(and not in MMA “mecca” of the UFC)…but still has adapted very well.
[quote]Kerley wrote:
the real question is why is Andrew a raging homosexual?[/quote]
LOVE the AVI!!!
Is it okay if from now on I read ALL your posts with a Bruno accent?? I feel you and him probably sound a like and have a lot in common.[/quote]
i know the mods made me get rid of the hot redhead
yeah you can do what you want with my accent in your head![/quote]
Hate to highjack this thread but wanted to ask you, are you only doing the anaconda protocol or are you doing the full IBB program?? Hows it going for you?? The hype true?
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hijacking is what makes threads Good! but no i am not doing IBB because i’m trying to lose fat and Christian and a few others said it wasn’t a good idea to do a program thats intended for muscle gain when your trying to cut, the Anaconda protocol lives up to the hype it really does rock, i gained alot of weight (12lbs) using it while getting visibly leaner.
FTR i’m currently not doing the FULL protocol because A. 3 FINiBARS is to much and B. lack of cash flow. i probably will try out this Protocol 2 and see whats what.
[quote]AndrewG909 wrote:
We were having a discussion regarding boxing and whether it can be applied to MMA. [/quote]
So you’re having a rhetorical discussion??[/quote]
We’re having a hypathetical discussion regarding people’s opinions on said topic. As I said in my first post:
[quote]AndrewG909 wrote:
Until a true champion level boxer makes the transition all we can do is wonder and speculate at how well they will do and even if they did, the type of fighters and caliber of fighters in their relative MMA divisions would greatly dictate their success in MMA.
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There are Waaaay too many if’s in this equation to make anyone right or wrong. Every fighter is different, I just wanted to hear others opinions on the matter.
I was trying not to make this your typical “can a boxer fight in MMA thread” I wanted to hear what you guys thought about boxing GREATS and how they would do in MMA. If you think a certain boxer would do well, why or why not?
[quote]Kerley wrote:
the real question is why is Andrew a raging homosexual?[/quote]
LOVE the AVI!!!
Is it okay if from now on I read ALL your posts with a Bruno accent?? I feel you and him probably sound a like and have a lot in common.[/quote]
i know the mods made me get rid of the hot redhead
yeah you can do what you want with my accent in your head![/quote]
Hate to highjack this thread but wanted to ask you, are you only doing the anaconda protocol or are you doing the full IBB program?? Hows it going for you?? The hype true?
[/quote]
hijacking is what makes threads Good! but no i am not doing IBB because i’m trying to lose fat and Christian and a few others said it wasn’t a good idea to do a program thats intended for muscle gain when your trying to cut, the anaconda protocol lives up to the hype it really does rock, i gained alot of weight (12lbs) using it while getting visibly leaner.
FTR i’m currently not doing the FULL protocol because A. 3 FINiBARS is to much and B. lack of cash flow. i probably will try out this Protocol 2 and see whats what.[/quote]
Interesting! My GF has been asking me to stop boxing so much (takes up a lot of my time)been thinking about stopping for a while and going on another serious bulk. Might give it a shot. Hmmm…
[quote]Big_Boss wrote:
I hate these type threads…and the tired discussion of boxers and MMA. Too many damn variables…and there is underlying assumption that ALL boxers have the same “style.”
You could take a champion level boxer and train him for MMA and he could get handled…whereas a B to C level boxer might have the better success in MMA.
You have to assess the individual fighter’s athleticism,style,and adaptability. James Toney for instance,imo,doesn’t have a (current) boxing style that translates to success in MMA. And how are you going to untrain that so he can adapt? You can’t,imo. Doesn’t help that he’s way past his prime(major key word in this discussion).
Also,what’s the possibility of taking a young,athletic MMA fighter(think Jon Jones) and training him strictly for boxing for some years…and having some decent success boxing?? It could happen…but that has to take YEARS.
SIDENOTE There is probably one decent boxer I know of that has transitioned to MMA very well…and that’s Jeremy Williams. Granted he has fought mostly cans(and not in MMA “mecca” of the UFC)…but still has adapted very well. [/quote]
Exactly. There’s so much that goes into it that it’s ridiculous to speculate that whether the generic “boxing champ” would beat the generic “MMA fighter.”
[quote]admbaum wrote:
Ray Mercer is not a champ? Oh you mean CURRENT CHAMP.
my bad…gotcha
getting the dead horse feeling.
boxer vs MMA in MMA match, MMA wins…takedown and ground experience
boxer vs MMA in BOXING match, boxer wins…no kicking in boxing
theres a theme here
But boxers have been known to do well in MMA after adopting a ground game ie Jeff Curran[/quote]
My response stating that I meant a Champion level boxer was not in response to your post but rather the other video posted that showed and MMA guy beating “a boxer”.
I can’t watch the video posted because I’m at work and the firewall doesn’t allow video. But I’m a bit confused by your post. You agree with FightingIrish that a boxer doesn’t stand a chance in the octogon yet you tell me to google Mercer Vs Sylvia, which Mercer (the Boxer) won. Unless you posted another video that I’m un aware of. Did they have a rematch that I missed?
[quote]admbaum wrote:
But boxers have been known to do well in MMA after adopting a ground game ie Jeff Curran[/quote]
Jeff Curran started boxing long after starting MMA…and although he’s had boxing matches,I wouldn’t classify him as one based on skill. Nothing against him…but he’s a MMA fighter through and through.
[quote]admbaum wrote:
But boxers have been known to do well in MMA after adopting a ground game ie Jeff Curran[/quote]
Jeff Curran started boxing long after starting MMA…and although he’s had boxing matches,I wouldn’t classify him as one based on skill. Nothing against him…but he’s a MMA fighter through and through. [/quote]
Hypothetically…and excluding the particulars of style,technique,and athleticism…I do think that a number of boxing greats would do well in MMA just based on their mental fortitude and their drive to be the best at what is at hand.
[quote]Big_Boss wrote:
Hypothetically…and excluding the particulars of style,technique,and athleticism…I do think that a number of boxing greats would do well in MMA just based on their mental fortitude and their drive to be the best at what is at hand. [/quote]
x 2.
Many of the best athletes I have personally known are good at a number of sports because of this. They have the desire to be great and have the dedication and coordination/ strength to do farely well in most sports.
On a side note, I do think Mike Tyson would do halfway decent in MMA not because of his boxing ability, but because of his ability to intimidate the hell out of an opponent. If his opponent hesitates for a second he gains a great advantage no matter the circumstance.
On a side note, I do think Mike Tyson would do halfway decent in MMA not because of his boxing ability, but because of his ability to intimidate the hell out of an opponent. If his opponent hesitates for a second he gains a great advantage no matter the circumstance.[/quote]
If anything, Tyson, being a short infighter with short arms who constantly moves forward, would be the worst type.
The best would be a good boxer puncher who had good footwork and movement in order to avoid takedowns and stay on his feet.
[quote]Kerley wrote:
the real question is why is Andrew a raging homosexual?[/quote]
LOVE the AVI!!!
Is it okay if from now on I read ALL your posts with a Bruno accent?? I feel you and him probably sound a like and have a lot in common.[/quote]
i know the mods made me get rid of the hot redhead
yeah you can do what you want with my accent in your head![/quote]
Hate to highjack this thread but wanted to ask you, are you only doing the anaconda protocol or are you doing the full IBB program?? Hows it going for you?? The hype true?
[/quote]
hijacking is what makes threads Good! but no i am not doing IBB because i’m trying to lose fat and Christian and a few others said it wasn’t a good idea to do a program thats intended for muscle gain when your trying to cut, the anaconda protocol lives up to the hype it really does rock, i gained alot of weight (12lbs) using it while getting visibly leaner.
FTR i’m currently not doing the FULL protocol because A. 3 FINiBARS is to much and B. lack of cash flow. i probably will try out this Protocol 2 and see whats what.[/quote]
Interesting! My GF has been asking me to stop boxing so much (takes up a lot of my time)been thinking about stopping for a while and going on another serious bulk. Might give it a shot. Hmmm… [/quote]
^^ ya but at his weight he would be fighting heavy weights, and they seem more of the strikers then take you down type in that weight class or if they do take you down they use their muscle and weight rather then an explosive shoot at the legs.
Atleast in UFC, Sylvia, Carwin, Lesnar (well he’s more ground and pound), Big Country. So if he was able to intimidate them they may come in a bit more cautiously and less explosive which would allow him to catch them coming in.
I couldn’t imagine catching a hook from him (even if it was a grazing hook) with those tiny MMA gloves.
