Sorry one more thing.Should I frontload the test and if so what dosage?
Chris,
Doesn’t losing 20-25 lbs of water in 24hrs kill your strength and energy pre-fight?
As for the frontload idea. You read my mind. Cyp can take up to six weeks to kick in. You can get your blood levels up immediatley by frontloading.
Bill Roberts uses the following calculation:
(weekly dosage x half-life / 7) + interval dosage = frontload dose
So in your case the first dose would look like this:
(750mg per week x 8 / 7) + 375mg 2x per week = 1200mg test cyp frontload dose.
I got the 375mg number assuming your normal interval will be 2x/w. I used 8 days as test cyp half-life as did Bill Roberts in his example.
Your second dose after the frontload will be 1/2 week later and the regular 375mg. Continue that dose 2x/w for the duration.
You can double check with a veteran on the calculation, but it should definitely be in the ballpark.
I was suprised at how fast I recovered from the water loss.I sought out the advice on how to put the weight back on from a sport nutritionalist.I was very impressed on how I felt come fight time.The cut is one of the worst things I have went thru in life and everytime I go thru it and make weight it just makes the fight seem easy.
I appreciate the frontload advice and calculations.You hit everything to a t.
I’ll def go that way.
Thanks bro
The tren is going to screw you over when it comes to cardio as it did me.
As a fighter keep that in mind.
60mg ED for 10 weeks is still a bit high and longer than I’d run, but I guess it could be done. Starting tren ace on week 1 might make you limp before the test kicks in. Might not, but it is a possibility.
You are also running 50mg Dbol ED, combined with the tren and test you will have some potent androgens pumping through your system.
As an athlete or fighter you should make sure to control any bloat from test/dbol and tren is going to kill your cardio. Make sure your taking the right compounds for your sport.
I will say I just have a shit ton of research, but only one cycle under my belt.
FWIW thats my .02
DG
Thanks Dirty.
The more info the better and everybody seems to raise a new issue to consider.
Tren and the cardio damage was one of my worries.Cardio is one of my strong points so I’m hopeing that it will still keep me at a level that I can still work with.
With the gear I have access to 10wks seemed to work the best with the numbers.I know everybody recommends going 8 weeks so I’m going to see at the 8 week mark where I stand and if I can endure the next 2 weeks.I’m not going to do it if it puts me thru hell.
I’m including the dianabol on Brooks opinion that nor 19 and d-bol work well together.
I’m hopeing to hear his thoughts on this cycle as well.Thanks again bro.
Just a couple of thoughts on what gear is good for my sport.I’ve read that anavar was one of the best on strength gains,cardio gains and not alot of weight gain and the fact that the weight gains and fat loss stay with u for around 6 months.Sounded good to me.
Then I have heard that Sean Sherk tested positive for Deca and Chris Leben tested positive for winny.
Kinda wish there was a guide to follow on what gear works best for what shorts.I guess right know I’m trying different cycles and seeing what seems to work the best.
Peace
[quote]Chris Eales wrote:
Thanks Dirty.
The more info the better and everybody seems to raise a new issue to consider.
Tren and the cardio damage was one of my worries.Cardio is one of my strong points so I’m hopeing that it will still keep me at a level that I can still work with.
With the gear I have access to 10wks seemed to work the best with the numbers.I know everybody recommends going 8 weeks so I’m going to see at the 8 week mark where I stand and if I can endure the next 2 weeks.I’m not going to do it if it puts me thru hell.
I’m including the dianabol on Brooks opinion that nor 19 and d-bol work well together.
I’m hopeing to hear his thoughts on this cycle as well.Thanks again bro.
Just a couple of thoughts on what gear is good for my sport.I’ve read that anavar was one of the best on strength gains,cardio gains and not alot of weight gain and the fact that the weight gains and fat loss stay with u for around 6 months.Sounded good to me.
Then I have heard that Sean Sherk tested positive for Deca and Chris Leben tested positive for winny.
Kinda wish there was a guide to follow on what gear works best for what shorts.I guess right know I’m trying different cycles and seeing what seems to work the best.
Peace[/quote]
Honestly, I think theortically the following compounds are a fighters best friend.
Test - the ‘base’ as everyone insists
Eq - connective tissue support, increased EPO
Var- strength, minimal size gains
Why I dont think Deca and Winny are good
Deca stays in your system for long, it bloats you. it does seem to be good for joints and what not… but so is EQ. Winny, some complaing of joint issues… I’m sure you know thats probably not a good thing if you’re grappling hell even boxing/kick boxing.
I’m about to embark on my first cycle… and it is indeed Test/EQ/Var. So I’ll let you know how it goes. I plan on fighting at 170. I kinda felt bad about doing a cycle period… but it seems you’re about to start your 5th so I guess one cycle wont hurt ;).
I’d say your leaning strength/size with that cycle.
My cardio was great, but while on tren it sucked bad.
Its not soo much 8 weeks and being ‘on’ as the bad part. It’s running trenbolone for 10 weeks then having to have your hpta rebound after that when you come off.
I know all AAS shut you down to some degree and running test for 12+ weeks will shut you down, but I believe some are worse than others and tren being one of those imo.
It really depends on your goals…non-aromatizing compounds such as halotestin,winny,anavar,high dosed primo,etc provide decent strength and lean mass gains without all of the other.
Test is king, and with AI’s can be used great as well.
Diet and training in the end is going the be the key imo, but certain drug choices will be better than others.
If I were an athlete I would personally opt for some shorter cycles with short acting compounds.
Say you were 6 weeks from a fight and ran test prop/tren ace…or halotestin/anavar or your combo of whatever for 4-6 weeks… it might be better than a full all out cycle. Only reason I say this is most shorties are easier to recover and your not trying to be a bodybuilding or improve yourself much in that area, but you are trying to get an edge or kick in the right direction for improving your fighting. I feel that less drugs are probably needed here and for a less amount of time.
This is all opinion of course…I mean if your looking to slap on 30lbs of muscle over time for fighting then this is a different story…if performance is more important than think of them in that sense .vs. the bodybuilding sense.
DG
Thanks for the time Dirty.Alot of good info there.
I wish u the best of luck in ur pro debut.Nothing beats that rush of fighting in front of 5000 people.Just don’t let the adrenaline suck the energy out of u.
The cycle I’m on right now is cyp/EQ and seems to be going greet.I was a little weak when it came to my diet being christmas and all.next will be Prop/enath and deca.Then I’m doing the tren/dbol/cyp(or enath depending if I can get a deal).
Keep me updated on how things go.I have a few buddies who train in Cali so it wouldn’t suprise me if ur training together.
Thanks again.
Sorry that should have been thanks to both and let me know about ur fights Avarice…Where ever ur training.
Peace
One more thing.
Can anyone direct me to a good diet that will allow me to gain quality muscle with my workout routine as well one that keeps my fat level to continue to go down.
The diet I have know is pretty basic but I would love something along those lines as there never seem to be enough hours in the day.
I prefer 1000kcal diet over my calculated RMR while on gear.
Divide this into a 40/40/20 P/C/F ratio and consume these ratios on your major muscles (back legs pectorals) day. On a day that works either the smaller muscles or your doing training/HIIT etc I go with 55/25/20 P/C/F.
Some will say that is too much protein but I NEVER get any symptoms (gas indigestion) from a high protein diet while “on” like I do when im “off”
When off I do the same ratios for bulking but at a caloric intake 500calories above RMR.
English motherfucker do u speak it…lol had to quote the line from pulp fiction.
I missed alot of what your saying but the basic’s were protein/carb/fat.
Is there any way u can give me more info or make the info your giving me a little clearer.
My fault as I’m behind the times on nutrition and the daily totals I should go for.As well as the lingo that goes with it.
Sorry
Thanks
[quote]soontobeIFBB wrote:
I prefer 1000kcal diet over my calculated RMR while on gear.
Divide this into a 40/40/20 P/C/F ratio and consume these ratios on your major muscles (back legs pectorals) day. On a day that works either the smaller muscles or your doing training/HIIT etc I go with 55/25/20 P/C/F.
Some will say that is too much protein but I NEVER get any symptoms (gas indigestion) from a high protein diet while “on” like I do when im “off”
When off I do the same ratios for bulking but at a caloric intake 500calories above RMR.[/quote]
I wonder how much lower than your Resting Metabolic Rate 1000kcal is.
1000kcal is usually considered a ‘starvation diet’ IIRC…
Brook
[quote] Brook wrote:
soontobeIFBB wrote:
I prefer 1000kcal diet over my calculated RMR while on gear.
Divide this into a 40/40/20 P/C/F ratio and consume these ratios on your major muscles (back legs pectorals) day. On a day that works either the smaller muscles or your doing training/HIIT etc I go with 55/25/20 P/C/F.
Some will say that is too much protein but I NEVER get any symptoms (gas indigestion) from a high protein diet while “on” like I do when im “off”
When off I do the same ratios for bulking but at a caloric intake 500calories above RMR.
I wonder how much lower than your Resting Metabolic Rate 1000kcal is.
1000kcal is usually considered a ‘starvation diet’ IIRC…
Brook[/quote]
Brook-
What I meant was my diet is 1000kcal OVER my RMR so…
RMR–> 2840/day
Goal intake----> 3840kcal/day
OP Calculate your resting metabolic rate
ex. 2740kcal add the 1000kcal and determine how much protein, carbs, and fat you have…
(2840*.4)/4.5= protein intake
2840*.4)/4.5= carb intake
2840*.2)/9.7=fat intake
EDIT: i just realized that you a probably looking for a diet while cutting not while bulking…
Do you prefer no carb (keto diet) or carb cycling?
I’m not sure.I don’t have a problem with either as long as they help me to achieve my goal.
Keep muscle mass and allow me to continue to put muscle on and lower body fat.
The more specific the better but also the less time I have to put into making meals the better.
lol!
[and i get ya IFBB ;)]
Yeah I know I’m looking for the easy way.
It just seems there are never enough time.
With working a 10 1/2 day 2 1/2 hours for working out and cardio.Kids Muai thai and BJJ classes.My wife seems to do all the cooking so I hate putting it on her.Yeah I know start playing the violin.
I like to help out and cook all the protein ght night before which works out to about 6 chicken breasts or fish ,steak etc.
I’ll post the diet that was laid out for me from a fellow mixed martial artist.Very basic but it worked great for me when I was doing mma.Now I’m concentrating on muscle mass and low fat.
Also what does IFBB mean…Not up with the lingo…lol
International Federation of Bodybuilding and Fitness
This diet is broken up into 3 group.Proteins.Carbohydrates and vegetables.
You need to eat 5 or 6 meals through out the day so planning is essential.
With all meals you must choose 1 protein and 1 carbohydrate.With 3 of those 6 meals you must include 1 vegetable serving (about 8 oz),Each protein and carb serving is considered to be 1 portion which is like a small chicken breast.
Also nothing is breaded or to have sauces or butter added to them.As bad as it sounds they are to be eaten plain.No one likes toast that is not buttered but that is why we are fighters because we have discipline.
Choose one from each column acording to the meal.One from the vegetable column for 3 meals.
PROTEIN:
chicken breast
turkey breast
lean ground turkey
haddock
salmon
tuna
crab
lobster
shrimp
top ground steak
lean ground beef
top sirloin steak
buffalo
lean ham
egg whites
low fat cottage cheese
CARBOHYDRATES:
baked potatoe
sweet potatoe
steamed brown rice
steamed white rice
pasta
oatmeal
beans
corn
strawberrys
melon
apple
orange
fat free yogurt
whole wheat bread
VEGETABLES;
broccli
asparagus
lettuce
carrots
cauliflower
greenbeans
green pepper
mushrooms
spinach
tomatoe
peas
brussel sprouts
cabbage
celery
zucchini
cucumber
onion
Looks like a pretty clean & effective diet. I am sure you enjoy the food too.
Edit: Very low fat though??? Isn’t it good to include at least omega-3, olive oil, maybe avacado, possibly coconut oil?