Basic Diet Advice

I just started reading up on information on this website and have found a lot of interesting reads compared to other forums. I am 19 and Ive been working out for about 5 years. I am looking for a basic diet plan to follow, I know I need to find a better balance in my diet to take my workouts and body to the next level, but most of the stuff I read on the internet is confusing, to in depth, or articles contradict each other.

I tried a diet for about 8 weeks and seen some results, but I found myself getting weaker and having less energy in the gym. I am 5’10 and weigh 215, I am not really looking to lose or gain weight, but just follow a healthy eating plan. I know the basics of what to eat and what not to eat, but have a strict plan would help.

Basically i want to eat healthy and lean up without sacrificing too much strength or size. So If someone could provide me with a diet plan to start out with I would appreciate it. I will post any other information about me (routines, supplements, etc) if needed that would be beneficial in helping create a plan.
Thanks for all the input.

Meal 1
2 whole eggs
1 tbspn olive oil (for cooking or if you are eating hard boiled eggs you can substitute with 1tblspn peanute butter or 1oz of cheese)
1/2 cup oatmeal (you can switch this to your meal just before bed if it will help you sleep)
1 cup of berries or a small apple

Meal 2
2 scoops whey isolate (Grow! Whey or Metabolic Drive will work)
1 tablespoon all-natural peanut butter or almond butter

Meal 3
6 oz. protein
big salad of fibrous green vegetables
1/3 cup almonds

Meal 4
2 scoops whey isolate (Grow! Whey or Metabolic Drive will work)
celery

Meal 5
6 oz. protein
big salad of fibrous green vegetables
1 tablespoon macadamia nut oil or extra virgin olive oil

Meal 5
1 scoop whey isolate (Grow! Whey or Metabolic Drive will work)
1 tablespoon all-natural peanut butter or almond butter, or some kind of fat such as 1 oz of cheese or 1/4 cup of nuts

Post workout meal

try to eat clean, whole foods.

Thank you for the input. Here is the diet I followed for about 8 weeks.

meal 1
1/2 cup oats, apple, whole wheat toast with peanut butter
meal 2
protein shake
meal 3
chicken breast and rice, apple
meal 4
typically a protein shake following workout
meal 5
chicken breast, and vegetable-usually brocolli
meal 6
either eat egg whites or nothing before bed

drank a gallon of water a day
had a couple of handfuls of almonds throughout day

I follow this diet fairly close, i wasnt perfect with it, but way better than what i was eating.
The problem was, I dropped weight, 224 to 210 which was the goal, but lost a lot of strength and just felt a lot smaller. I just need to find a good balance in my eating habits. The diet you suggested may be what I need but it seems comparable to my other diet, and I just didnt get the results I was looking for. But thanks so much for your input.

[quote]rt10 wrote:
Thank you for the input. Here is the diet I followed for about 8 weeks.

meal 1
1/2 cup oats, apple, whole wheat toast with peanut butter
meal 2
protein shake
meal 3
chicken breast and rice, apple
meal 4
typically a protein shake following workout
meal 5
chicken breast, and vegetable-usually brocolli
meal 6
either eat egg whites or nothing before bed

drank a gallon of water a day
had a couple of handfuls of almonds throughout day

I follow this diet fairly close, i wasnt perfect with it, but way better than what i was eating.
The problem was, I dropped weight, 224 to 210 which was the goal, but lost a lot of strength and just felt a lot smaller.[/quote]

That just means you weren’t eating enough calories. You can continue eating the same types of foods you were eating, but eat MORE of them. Aside from that, the diet you posted contains hardly any calories anyways. If you severely undereat, you’re going to lose muscle. On the flipside, if you severely overeat while trying to gain muscle, your fatgains will outpace your muscle gains.

[quote]
I just need to find a good balance in my eating habits. The diet you suggested may be what I need but it seems comparable to my other diet, and I just didnt get the results I was looking for. But thanks so much for your input.[/quote]

Its not just about eating general types of healthy foods…you MUST take in the appropriate amount of calories for the goals you are trying to achieve. It sounds as if you are attempting to maintain your muscular size and strength while leaning down a bit further.

There are numerous approaches to this in terms of diet composition, and consequently you’ll find many ways to skin a cat. One of the keys to doing this is to maintain your training intensity with heavy lifting sessions while eating a slight caloric deficit. If you cut calories too low, as it appears you did earlier, you will lose more strength and size than you want. You should be at least able to maintain your strength. You might not maintain all of it, but most of it should stay with you.

From the diet you posted it looks to me as if in addition to more total food, you definitely need more protein and fat. Personally, I am a fan of the low carb approach, which means you’ll need to keep your carbs at 30 grams or less per day, while increasing your fat and protein. Fat should provide anywhere from 45-65% of your calories, and protein should make up the remaining 50-30%.

As far as total calories go, this can vary, but you can plug in your numbers into this equation to find a decent estimate of your Basal Metabolic Rate.

BMR = 66 + (13.7 x weight in kg) + (5 x height in cm) �?? (6.8 x age)

Multiplying this number by 1.4-1.6 should give you a decent starting point in regards for your MAINTENANCE calories.

Subtracting 250-500 from your maintenance calories should give you number to hit for fat loss.

Now, you don’t have to follow the numbers outlined here, you could simply strive to ingest some more protein and healthy fats into your diet. However, I’m guessing you aren’t in tune with your diet and body enough to simply “wing it” when it comes to your nutrition, so having some set numbers to hit, and keeping a log book, will allow you to assess your results and adjust accordingly.

With that said, its hard to make an exact diet without knowing your numbers. Give us some more numbers to fill in the above equation and we can provide an example menu.

weight in kg=97.5
height in cm=177.8
age=19
I think these are all the numbers needed to figure the calculation for my BMR.
Thanks NewDamage for the advice, sounds like you know enough information to get me headed in the right direction.
Ive worked out hard over the past few years, but in high school i never followed to diet, playing all the sports and all I never really thought about it. But i have reached a point to where I know balanced diet is a necessity.
Thanks

[quote]rt10 wrote:
weight in kg=97.5
height in cm=177.8
age=19
I think these are all the numbers needed to figure the calculation for my BMR.
Thanks NewDamage for the advice, sounds like you know enough information to get me headed in the right direction.
Ive worked out hard over the past few years, but in high school i never followed to diet, playing all the sports and all I never really thought about it. But i have reached a point to where I know balanced diet is a necessity.
Thanks[/quote]

Plugging in the numbers, we get…

BMR = 66 + (13.7 x 97.5) + (5 x 177.8) - (6.8 x 19)

= 2160 BMR

2160 x 1.4 = 3024

This is the number of calories you should eat to be able to maintain your weight on non workout days. Remember, this is only an approximate. However, this gives you somewhere to start.

2160 x 1.6 = 3465

This is an estimate of your maintenance calories for workout days.

Subtracting 500 from both of these numbers gives you…

Non-workout day intake = 2524
Workout day intake = 2965

Now you need to decide what type of breakdown you want to follow. I’m going to set up an example using a targeted carbs approach…basically, you will eat low carb all of the time except for post-workout, during which you will ingest Surge or something similar. We’ll shoot for 100 grams of carbs on workout days, and less than 30 on non-workout days.

Workout Day
Carbs: 100 grams (400 calories)
Protein: 300 grams (1200 calories)
Fat: 145 grams (1300 calories)

Meals 1-4
50 grams protein
35-37 grams fat
negligible carbs from green vegetables

post workout
50 grams protein
50 grams carbs
negligible fat

post-post workout
50 grams protein
50 grams carbs
negligible fat

[b]Non-Workout Day[/b]
Carbs: negligible
Protein: 310 grams (1240 Calories)
Fat: 135-140 grams (1215-1260 Calories)

Divide this up amongst 4-6 meals. Going on a 6 meal plan, each meal should contain…

Carbs: negligible (green vegetables only)
Protein: 50-55 grams
Fat: 22-24 grams

Simply compile meals consisting of foods to hit those numbers.

Try to get 30-40 grams of your fat per day from fish oil, and split the rest up equally among monounsaturates and saturates.

Bust your ass in the gym, follow this for two weeks, assess your results and make adjustments as necessary, as this could be not enough food, or even too much. Depends on you.

Good luck

Thanks for taking the time to write out and explain all that information. I am writing up a list of the foods I can eat and then I am going to construct a set diet plan. I am having some trouble coming up with variety. I think if I can get variety in my diet then I will do better to follow it strictly.

So far I have: egg whites, oats, chicken breast, rice, salads, broccoli, almonds
I assume that fruits like strawberries and apples are good also.

I know that fish and beef are good sources of protein, but the only fish we usually have at my house is breaded, frozen out of the box that just needs heated up and I doubt that is good. Is like steak(tbone) a type of beef that is good?
I am a beginner when it comes to dieting, I know some of the basics but this has helped out. Any more input is appreciated.

New Damage

You really went out of your way to provide some good info and advice.

Great to see that kind of posting.

[quote]rt10 wrote:
Thanks for taking the time to write out and explain all that information. I am writing up a list of the foods I can eat and then I am going to construct a set diet plan. I am having some trouble coming up with variety. I think if I can get variety in my diet then I will do better to follow it strictly.

So far I have: egg whites, oats, chicken breast, rice, salads, broccoli, almonds
I assume that fruits like strawberries and apples are good also.

I know that fish and beef are good sources of protein, but the only fish we usually have at my house is breaded, frozen out of the box that just needs heated up and I doubt that is good. Is like steak(tbone) a type of beef that is good?
I am a beginner when it comes to dieting, I know some of the basics but this has helped out. Any more input is appreciated.[/quote]

[u]Protein Sources[/u]
*Beef (this includes steak, though it may be hard to know exactly how much fat and protein is in certain cuts of steak but you can learn to guesstimate)
*Chicken
*Lamb
*Turkey
*Fish (salmon, tilapia, orange roughy, cod, whiting - the list goes on, but it needs to be plain, real fish, no breading)
*Shrimp and other tasty crustaceans
*Eggs
*Protein Powders (preferably a whey/casein blend for during the day usage and pre-bed)
*Buffalo/Bison if you can afford it and really wanna go crazy

I honestly like using lean cuts of meat with very little fat, and adding my own sources of fat so that I know exactly what I’m eating when I’m dieting.

[u]Post-Workout Carbohydrate Sources[/u]
*Rice
*Potatoes
*Sweet Potatoes
*Surge ( http://www.T-Nation.com/readArticle.do?id=459244 )
*Fruit (oranges, blueberries, strawberries, you get the idea)
*Non-green vegetables
*Pasta

Fat Sources
*Extra Virgin Olive Oil - go for the stuff in the tin cans. Source of mostly monounsaturated fat.
*Extra Virgin Coconut Oil - source of saturated fat, good for cooking with.
*Macadamia Nut Oil - source of monounsaturated fat, also good for cooking with.
*Butter - source of saturated fat.
*The fats contained in the meats you eat.
*Fish Oil ( Flameout [ http://www.T-Nation.com/readArticle.do?id=910074 ] and perhaps Carlson’s Liquid to make up the other 30 grams)

[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:

New Damage

You really went out of your way to provide some good info and advice.

Great to see that kind of posting.[/quote]

Aww shucks, thanks!

NewDamage,

Thanks for all the input. I have been writing out my diet plan, and trying to balance the food properly throughout the day. I am working on writing all the amounts down and trying to hit all the amounts you have posted for me as closely as possible. I will post everything when I get it done, hopefully early this week.

You seem pretty knowledgeable, maybe I can get some input on my routine.

The past couple of months I have been doing the following.

Mon/Thurs- chest/tris
Tues/Fri- back/shoulders
Wed/Sat- legs/biceps

Most lifts were 4x12 and on main lifts I done some heavier lifting. Sometimes the 1st three days of the week I would go heavy and then lighter the last three. I had great results with this routine, but after awhile I felt like I was breaking my body down and wasn’t recovering well enough.

For the next few weeks I am going to try a new routine that I have never tried, I don’t really think I am going to like it, but it seems like most people do it.

Mon- chest and 2 triceps exercises, calves
Tues- back and 2 biceps exercises, abs
Wed- shoulders
Thurs- legs, abs
Fri- arms
Sat- abs, forearms, cardio, quads

I am doing quads, calves and arms twice a week because I think they are lacking in comparison to other muscle groups.

I am lifting heavy and trying to break the targeted muscles down as much as possible.
The only thing I don’t like is the amount of time between lifting the same body part. Usually say by friday or saturday I feel like I could hit chest again. Same with other muscles groups, the full week seems to long.
I know this is a very basic outline of my routine, but any advice would be appreciated and I will post lifts, sets and weights used if you would like.
Thanks

I have figured out all the numbers of nutritional value of the foods I ate today.
8 am- 4 egg whites, 1 cup strawberries, 1/2 cup oats
11 am- chicken breast, broccoli, protein shake
2 pm- 4 egg whites, 1/4 cup almonds, 2 oranges
5 pm- piece of beef and chicken, 1 cup rice, 1 baked potato
6:30 pm- made a smoothie- 1 cup milk, 1 scoop protein powder, 2 table spoons of peanut butter, 1 banana
8 pm- chicken breast, broccoli
11 pm- almonds, celery
If my numbers are correct I will eat 236 g protein, 194 carbs, 2653 calories, 97.5 g fat.

This diet is a work in progress but not bad for the first day, but based on what has been suggested, I need to cut my carbs way down(this was a workout day-shooting for 100 carbs) and get my calories and protein intake up slightly.
Any suggestions or tips would be appreciated. I am not trying to drastically change my body, but basically trying to eat healthy without losing muscle mass and strength, wouldn’t mind lowering body fat a little bit. Thanks.

NewDamage - Awesome write up. For some reason the way you put it has made more sense to me now than reading this stuff the last ten times. Thanks. You also clicked in my head the 1 gm carb/pro = 4 cal and 1 gm fat = 9 cal.

I am gonna find out more thoroughly what I am eating.

One thing, though. When you’re talking about fats are you positive that you’re not meaning polyunsaturated fats when you say saturated fats? I believe the polyunsaturated fats are the good fats found in fish oils and some seeds. From what I have read saturated fats are to be ingested very sparingly - if at all.

Correct me if I am wrong.

[quote]Sklander wrote:
NewDamage - Awesome write up. For some reason the way you put it has made more sense to me now than reading this stuff the last ten times. Thanks. You also clicked in my head the 1 gm carb/pro = 4 cal and 1 gm fat = 9 cal.

I am gonna find out more thoroughly what I am eating.

One thing, though. When you’re talking about fats are you positive that you’re not meaning polyunsaturated fats when you say saturated fats? I believe the polyunsaturated fats are the good fats found in fish oils and some seeds. From what I have read saturated fats are to be ingested very sparingly - if at all.

Correct me if I am wrong. [/quote]

Nah, you need all three types of fats - polyunsaturated, monounsaturated, and even saturated. Often times when an individual cleans up his or her diet, saturated fat intake drops extremely low. Personally, I cook with coconut oil to help bump up my saturated fat intake, otherwise monounsaturates and polyunsaturates would overdominate my diet.

Check out these for further info regarding fats:

Fat Roundtable
http://www.T-Nation.com/readArticle.do?id=461093

Saturated Fat: Killer or Testosterone Booster?
http://www.T-Nation.com/readArticle.do?id=1485979

The F Word
http://www.T-Nation.com/article/diet_and_nutrition/the_fword&cr=

As I get deeper into this whole bodybuilding thing I realize more and more that nothing is more important than proper nutrition.

Thanks, bro.

Do you limit your liquid protein intake as much as possible in favor for whole, solid foods?