Working Tren or Anavar Into This

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Hey I’m looking at my next cycle and I would like to work either Tren (acetate or enathanate doesn’t matter) or anavar into this cycle.

Here’s what I have right now.
Test Enanthate wks 1-12 650mgs a wk
Deca wks 1-10 400mgs a wk
adex wks 1-14 .5mgs e4thday.
Nolvadex wks 14-17 40mg/d 2wks then 20mgs/d last 2wks

I was thinking of putting Anavar in at wks 8-15 at 50mgs ed.

The reason I want to get the anavar in is for the cardio benifit as well as the fat loss and it helps u keep ur gains till the next cycle.

Next if I didn’t go with the anavar I would try to work in the tren and a rate of 500-650mgs a week from weeks 5-13.

Any thought on this as far as the cycle goes or adding or deleting anything.

Also is Anavar going for 135 for 100-10mg pills reasonable?

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What is your cycle history running two 19nors if you are a newbie is a BIG no no IMO.
If you have never ran tren before I would go with acetate (you should already know this)

what are your goals? Should make a difference in the choosing of compounds.

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This will be my 4th cycle.

Yeah acetate was what I was going to do first that way I could see how I react.

I think I have pretty much the standard goals strength.size and fat loss.So somewhere btwn a cut and bulk cycle…If that’s possible.

However with my sport i require pretty good cardio but could put that on hold if the Tren is worth doing.

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Damn your fourth cycle? what are your stats/lifts?

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…might want to reconsider Tren dosages. A lot of folks start w/ 75 EOD or 50 ED (ED better in my opinion). …start to get up around 75 ED (approx 500/wk) and you may find sides to be quite unpleasant, at least for the first time around.

Tren will give you freakish strength gains, but for me at least, absolutely KILLS cardio (I mean like winded walking up a flight of stairs). Shin pumps make running more than a couple of hundred yards at a time excruciatingly painful an more than I can handle.

Good luck

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What is your sport? Do they test for steroids? If so I would seriously look at the detection times of the steroids first and foremost.

Your pct seems very thin, especially if running the tren/deca. I would look into a test taper personally…

as far as the var helping to keep your gains into the next cycle… I Dont even know what that means, diet will mainly determine that.

That being said I would not run var into the PCT, unless you were just going to attempt to use it as a bridge until your next cycle, in which i would run it completely through PCT.

This cycle just seems odd to me, but I cant really put my finger on it… Maybe explanation of your sport would justify this cycle for me…

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MMA fighting is the sport.

The reason I want to work Tren or anavar into the mix is because I have heard such good things about them.

Tren for the size strength and intensity it brings out in u.

Anavar for the cardio,fat loss and the fact u seem to keep the gains for a longer period.

Anyways as they say as long as u make an educated decision and do them with the right doses u have to see for yourself how they work for u.

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Well why dont you consider
wks 1-12 650mg/week Test E
wks 1-8 50mg/ED Tren A
wks 7-12 75mg/ED Var
followed by four week stasis
and taper

That would give you the strength gains, intensity, and nice “dry” muscle gains. Only 1 19nor drug would be used (your HPTA will thank me later), and also depending on your diet might help with some fat loss (Var isnt strong enough to overcompensate for diet)

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[quote]Chris Eales wrote:
MMA fighting is the sport.

The reason I want to work Tren or anavar into the mix is because I have heard such good things about them.

Tren for the size strength and intensity it brings out in u.

Anavar for the cardio,fat loss and the fact u seem to keep the gains for a longer period.

Anyways as they say as long as u make an educated decision and do them with the right doses u have to see for yourself how they work for u.[/quote]

I’m curious… what weight are you planning at fighting at? Have you considered using EQ? What cycles have you done before?

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My last fight was at 145lbs.I started out at 185lbs and cut down to 165 and lost the rest in water.

Right now I’m at 215 8wks into a cycle of cyp and eq.I think the dose’s were a little low.Did 400mg/wk of cyp and 350mg/wk of eq.

Found I got a lot of acne on the back of my shoulders from the eq(I think it’s from that and not the cyp).

My next cycle (already have the gear) I’m going to run…
Enanthate 650mgs wk wks 1-12
Deca 600mgs wk wks 1-10
d-bol 35mgs ED wks 1-4
adex .5 e 4th day wks 1-14
nova 40-40-20-20 wks 14-17

What do u guys think of that one??
Should I lower the deca?

Anyways I’m trying to set up the next cycle after so I have time to track down all the gear.

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[quote]egnatiosj wrote:
Well why dont you consider
wks 1-12 650mg/week Test E
wks 1-8 50mg/ED Tren A
wks 7-12 75mg/ED Var
followed by four week stasis
and taper

That would give you the strength gains, intensity, and nice “dry” muscle gains. Only 1 19nor drug would be used (your HPTA will thank me later), and also depending on your diet might help with some fat loss (Var isnt strong enough to overcompensate for diet)
[/quote]

I like that cycle.I was hoping I could change it slightly or maybe u could give me your thoughts on the cycle.

I have access to profina which is 100mg test prop and 100mg of tren acetate.Basically I hope this will save me cash.

Another option is TTE which is 125mg Test enan,125mg cyp,150mg of Tren enan.

Hopefully we keep the anavar/AI and PCT as is.

So I was thinking of something like this

Profina 75mg tren/75mg prop for 8 wks
test prop 75mg ED from wks 8-12
anavar 75mgs ed wks 7-12
adex .5mgs every 4th day wks 1-14
nova 40/40/20/20 wks 14-17

Also give me an example of what u think I should be using as a 4 week stasis and taper.

OR

TTE 375mg cyp/375 enath/450 Tren enath a week for wks 1-10
Test cyp 650mgs wk for wks 10-13
anavar 75mgs ED for wks 7-13
adex.5mgs every 4th day for wks 1-14
nova 40/40/20/20 wks 15-18

Again give me an idea about the stasis and taper.

Both these last 2 cycles are put together on the possibility I can get out of your cycle in these with saving a few bucks.

Let me know.

You’ve been very helpfull so far.

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[quote]Chris Eales wrote:
My last fight was at 145lbs.I started out at 185lbs and cut down to 165 and lost the rest in water.

Right now I’m at 215 8wks into a cycle of cyp and eq.I think the dose’s were a little low.Did 400mg/wk of cyp and 350mg/wk of eq.

Found I got a lot of acne on the back of my shoulders from the eq(I think it’s from that and not the cyp).

My next cycle (already have the gear) I’m going to run…
Enanthate 650mgs wk wks 1-12
Deca 600mgs wk wks 1-10
d-bol 35mgs ED wks 1-4
adex .5 e 4th day wks 1-14
nova 40-40-20-20 wks 14-17

What do u guys think of that one??
Should I lower the deca?

Anyways I’m trying to set up the next cycle after so I have time to track down all the gear. [/quote]

Deca is way too high. I have used Deca for years and i have plenty of experience telling me that it is NEVER necessary to go over 2mg/lb bodyweight of the stuff… for you that would be around 300-400mg. One cycle of mine was 400mg deca and 750mg enanth - very nice. Finishing with Dbol before a change or a cruise.

Test/Deca/Dbol is my favourite stack.

Your adex is likely too low - the deca will make the test much more (aromatic?! lol) aromatizable in a manner.

Brook

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[quote]Chris Eales wrote:
egnatiosj wrote:
Well why dont you consider
wks 1-12 650mg/week Test E
wks 1-8 50mg/ED Tren A
wks 7-12 75mg/ED Var
followed by four week stasis
and taper

That would give you the strength gains, intensity, and nice “dry” muscle gains. Only 1 19nor drug would be used (your HPTA will thank me later), and also depending on your diet might help with some fat loss (Var isnt strong enough to overcompensate for diet)

I like that cycle.I was hoping I could change it slightly or maybe u could give me your thoughts on the cycle.

I have access to profina which is 100mg test prop and 100mg of tren acetate.Basically I hope this will save me cash.[/quote]

This is a gimmick and IRL it is not a great ratio to use these drugs in.[quote]

Another option is TTE which is 125mg Test enan,125mg cyp,150mg of Tren enan.[/quote]

Ditto - although better ration of test/tren, it is really pointless to mix cyp and enanth. this is some cheap gimmick which leads me to suspect the gear is of lower quality. JMO.[quote]

Hopefully we keep the anavar/AI and PCT as is.[/quote]

Var in a trifecta is fucking stupid. You will not feel, see or sense it in the slightest. It will drown.[quote]

So I was thinking of something like this

Profina 75mg tren/75mg prop for 8 wks
test prop 75mg ED from wks 8-12
anavar 75mgs ed wks 7-12
adex .5mgs every 4th day wks 1-14
nova 40/40/20/20 wks 14-17[/quote]

So in this cycle you are using 1050mg of test a week and 525mg of tren a week. Var will NOT assist recovery used alongside tren anyway, as the method it needs is after a test base so you can bridge from cycle to PCT allowing maintenance of gains in the wait between the last shot and PCT. You would start PCT the next couple of days after a propionate shot anyway… so kinda academic isnt it.[quote]

Also give me an example of what u think I should be using as a 4 week stasis and taper.[/quote]

Test Prop if a prop cycle or test enanth if an enanthate cycle… testosterone basically. It is the natural primary male androgenic hormone.[quote]

OR

TTE 375mg cyp/375 enath/450 Tren enath a week for wks 1-10
Test cyp 650mgs wk for wks 10-13
anavar 75mgs ED for wks 7-13
adex.5mgs every 4th day for wks 1-14
nova 40/40/20/20 wks 15-18[/quote]

750mg test and 450mg tren. Much better IMO. I know that IF it is a 19NOR then this ratio will allow sex drive to survive, and IF it is actually a drug that allows estrogen to reduce to sub normal levels then the amount of test will fix that (a-la Bill Roberts theory).
The var is better suited to this cycle. BUT it is in the wrong place IMO… it should be placed after the last injection and used for 3-6 weeks before PCT. An oral before PCT allows one to begin recovery immediately… rather than wait for the levels to slowly reduce due to an esters action, meaning less time to lose gains. Trouble is, in this cycle you are likely to lose gains going from 1g/wk of test/tren to a bit of oxandrolone!
It is not even useful to stack Oxandrolone and Trenbolone as the physical effects are similar - with tren out performing it massively.[quote]

Again give me an idea about the stasis and taper.[/quote]

Read the sticky. Using a suppressive drug such as a long estered tren one would use 100mg of test E over 6 weeks then taper down to nothing adding a SERM also.[quote]

Both these last 2 cycles are put together on the possibility I can get out of your cycle in these with saving a few bucks.

Let me know.

You’ve been very helpfull so far.

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Here is my version using the tren A/Test P product you seem to want to use.

Wk1-8 TTP 700mg/wk (100mg/d)
Wk1-8 TP 350mg/wk (50mg/d)
*(Wk8-12 Var 60-80mg/d)

This is a total of 700mg/wk of Test P and 350mg/wk of Tren A. The var is there as you seem intent on using it - although i personally dont agree, this would be how it is used… although as i said, it isnt used with a short ester injectable - just long, as the oral is used to gain while the in jectable naturally tapers off. The stasis taper is kind of a new way of doing this. The oral isnt needed in this cycle IMO.

PCT:

Wk8-12 Test P 100mg/wk (15mg/d)
Wk13-17 Reduce Test P dose by 20mg/wk
Wk 13-20 20mg Tamoxifen
Off.

I wonder what other cycles you may have ran in the past?

Brook

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Nice

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Good stuff! :slight_smile:

Arimidex - it is upto you and your symptoms… so always keep a close monitor on the signs of excessive estrogen. 0.5mg E3D may be ok for you… some need 0.25ED or 0.5EOD. I think due to the half life it is a little better dosed more regularly that E3D or E4D.

The dosage of aromatisable AAS (and take into account the potentation of estrogen by 19-Nors) is the first leveler of dose of AI.. so 2g of test and anadrol needs more than 500mg test.

You are on a moderate cycle, they are the dosages i use - near enough, and 0.25ED should be ok for you. i use letro personally so maybe someone else will have better personal knowledge of adex dose.

You do not really NEED to add anything to this cycle… for recovery do a 4-6 week test stasis taper.
Use a SERM during the taper and for 2-3 weeks after the last shot.

In an ideal world you would want to add HCG during the cycle from week 3 at a dose of around 100iuED or 250iu3x/wk to help recovery post cycle. Ceasing the use of it at the commencement of the Stasis part of PCT.

I will assume you are going to go with the prop/Acetate esters for your cycle… so you will likely find that after 8 weeks of tren you may have had enough of daily injections and the side effects… it is a tough drug to endure for many i hear.

If you want a longer cycle you can run it longer.
If you want to change the tren after week 8 and run test prop and masteron (for example) for the next 8 weeks for a total of 16 weeks, then i think that would be a nice way to keep as much strength as you could -

not to mention that with the correct diet you could be all muscle and zero (well 6%-8%) fat by then, making you quite effective pound for pound in the ring!

I would frontload the test, but maybe not the tren seeing as some sides can be debilitating and you may not be confident with how it will affect you. I am thinking the aggression mainly as that is the main concern for myself personally… the others are just shit… anger can ruin your life.

As for adding further anabolics, to be honest bruv, there is really little need. If you want maximum size then i hear dianabol with a test and tren cycle is truly a formidable stack. I believe it too. test/dianabol and 19-nors is a proven beaut!

Some like to include boldenone with tren to offset the loss of appetite - but periactin would do fine (prolly same anabolic properties too!! lmao!) if that is an issue.

Back to the Var for a second, Anavar is a decent little strength pusher, non-aromatising, minimally suppressive in low dosages, low androgenic i believe, dry gains of ~0-5lbs/cycle, dry and hard look - tren does all the above but better, harder, faster, meaner, psycho-hardcore-crack-smokin-mother-fucker-style!
So it is useless during use of tren, and it wouldnt be used to “harden up” the gains and bridge to PCT as the esters are short enough as is.

You fight dont you? Is it competitive - of a decent level i mean, or just for fun once a week at the local sports hall?
I ask because if you were competitive at a certain level then size isnt going to be a goal of yours… unless you are wanting to jump a class.
So do you want size?

What is your cycle looking like now?

Brook

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Wait a minute - who the fuck are you? i was talking to some chris eales who isnt Electric E, and i answered you for some reason…

Damn confusing this… :S

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Wow…It’s funny how u think u know the ins and outs of steroids and cycles then u find yourself a quality forum with guys who really do know what everything is all about.

Everything I am hearing is gold.It’s going to take me a little time to digest everything but atleast I can start to hopefully put something together quality wise.

As far as the adex goes I was told that 0125mgs a day is good and others told me that 05mgs a day was good.The problem for me is the adex I purchase comes in .5mgs capsules.So it’s kind of hard to split up.

I think I’ll go with .5mmgs EOD.Hopefully that will be a good start.

Anyways have to go play rock band with my kids.I’ll post again later tonight.

Thanks

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OP
Why do you have two accounts?

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Chris Eales (screen name) is my buddy who I train with.We usually do the same gear and I am following the discussion here as we plan to do the next 2 cycles the same.

Sorry for the confusion.

I do appreciate the info being provided.

By the way I am way better looking then him but I have to admitt he is alot tougher.lol

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OK here’s what I’m thinking for the Tren cycle.

Once again jump in to correct me or change anything.

D-bol 50mg a day wks 1-5
Test Cyp 750mgs wk wks 1-12
Tren Acetate 60mgs ED wks 1-10
Adex .5mgs EOD wks 1-16
Test cyp 100mgs wk wks 12-16
test cyp 80mgs-20mgs wks 17-21
Nolvadex 40-40-20-20 wks 17-21

A couple of things why I went this way.

I was told D-bol was better at the start of the cycle.If not where should I put it in?

Went with the Test Cyp instead of Prop since it would minimize the injections?

I felt this was a good dosage for the cyp and tren.Your thoughts?

I don’t have access to Tamoxifen so I really didn’t know how to work the pct or taper.Just did what I thought was right.

Yes I fight pro…No testing done yet at the shows I have fought in.

Also I can cut about 20-25lbs in just water within 24hours before weigh in so as long as I am 20-25lbs above the weight class I have to make the size is no problem.