Woman: New to Steroids

Pharma / TRT
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I have a few questions. I’m a 39 year old woman, soon to be 40 next thursday:(. I’ve been looking into using anabolic steroids for quite some time now. I have a few questions. I’m 5’2 and weigh a universal 107 lbs. I have had a hystarectemy and have osteoperosis.

I’ve researched about some of the drugs of choice and so far am leaning towards anavar with a dialy dosage of 5- 10 mg a day. I’m looking to put on 5lbs. I’ve seen that the anavar can help with the pain I have, but can it bring on size.

Since I don’t have to worry about post menapause could I look into small dosages of decca at maybe 25- 50 mg a week for 8 weeks. I’m worried about potential side effects, a few of my girlfriends have taken some of the steroids and one has a enlarged clit.

My question is given with my state of health with regards to the hystarectemy and the osteoporis which would be the best option for me to go with. I’m also in the process of mapping out my workouts depending on what drug I use and the accompanying diet. Anyone’s response and or advice is greatly appreicated.

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It doesn’t make sense to me at all that you would turn to steroids to put only 5 lbs on. Unless you think the anavar will aid the health problems you’ve had/have and not exasperate them.

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I agree that taking drugs to put on five pounds, when you only weight 107, seems ridiculous. Though if you want to use that is your choice. I will provide some info though.

I have experience with a woman I know using Anavar. She took 20 and 15 mg for the highest dose and began to experience virilization. She dropped the dose to 10mg/day and was fine, while still seeing increases in strength.

Since anavar is a short acting oral it can be stopped or the dose can be reduced if negative side effects arise. It takes some time for most virilizing effects to become permanent. Her clitoris began to get larger at 15-20mg/day. Within three days of lowering the dose she was back to normal.

For this reason, anavar would be a better option for you than long acting injectables such as deca. I would start with 10mg/day and see how that is, as 5mg would likely not be worth the investment (in my opinion). It will help wiht strength, though many people take anavar to get stronger while not putting on weight.

While it won’t directly cause any significant increase in weight (many other steroids do this by either increased water weight or an extremely high nitrogen retention), it will improve recovery and strength output, allowing you to work harder and put on more muscle during recovery. Hope this info helps.

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There are cases known in the literature of women suffering irreversible virilization of the voice (hoarsening, lowering) from a single injection of Deca, 50 mg.

The only thing predictable with women and androgens is that if they’ve taken a given dose before and done OK, then if they don’t exceed that, and preferably avoid any dosing that gives spikes in levels, they probably won’t later, either.

But with no experience with it, it is pure luck whether the threshold is crossed or not.

(As to why crossing the threshold can be irreversible, the reason is some changes to cells are irreversible, especially sex-specific changes.)

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My other reason more important to me is that I have osteoporosis and the pain is excruiating. What else besides anavar could i take that would help curb the pain.

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If you have severe osteoporosis, AAS should not be your first line of defense. At this point you should be considering something specific for bone mass increase, like bisphosphonates or the other hormonal synthetics used to build bone mass. Building fast muscle on top of brittle bones is just asking for trouble. And anabolics alone will do nothing for pain relief from osteoporosis. There are other medications better suited for immediate relief.

Have you gotten a DECA scan to assess the amount of bone thinning that has occurred? Are there some site specific areas that are in danger of microfractures? Is the pain due to inflammation of osteoarthritis? You need these questions answered before you start anything, or you could get an injury. Good luck to you.

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[quote]ninjazx10r wrote:
My other reason more important to me is that I have osteoporosis and the pain is excruiating. What else besides anavar could i take that would help curb the pain.[/quote]

Androgel? Then you won’t F up your liver.

I think a low dose of T would help you. It helps with osteo in men, so maybe…

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Actually there is considerable research that oral androgens plus estrogen are more effective in treating osteoporosis than estrogen alone – unfortunately the drug used in the testing has most commonly been methyltestosterone, not really the best choice for women – but you are right that given the problem being this serious, one doesn’t want to rely only on HRT but should be getting the best overall medical help on it.

Btw, it seems to me a good thing to ask a prospective physician, what he thinks about combining an androgen with estrogenic hormone replacement therapy. If he’s puzzled or shocked or what have you, then he doesn’t know his field and so may not be giving the best counsel on other medications either. Seems like a reasonable way to check up, as checking up on a doctor’s knowledge is often hard to do unless having a little key like that.

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[quote]Yo Momma wrote:
If you have severe osteoporosis, AAS should not be your first line of defense. At this point you should be considering something specific for bone mass increase, like bisphosphonates or the other hormonal synthetics used to build bone mass. Building fast muscle on top of brittle bones is just asking for trouble. And anabolics alone will do nothing for pain relief from osteoporosis. There are other medications better suited for immediate relief.[/quote]

I was going to say this exactly as you posted.

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Have you gotten a DECA scan to assess the amount of bone thinning that has occurred? Are there some site specific areas that are in danger of microfractures? Is the pain due to inflammation of osteoarthritis? You need these questions answered before you start anything, or you could get an injury. Good luck to you.[/quote]

You meant DEXA or DXA scan. Dual x-ray absorptiometry. This is, outside of some newer MRI techniques, the most accurate form of body composition measurement available. It can also determine bone mineral content, which is why DXA is used by many universities for studies with older adults and exercise (looking at bone mineral degredation and osteoporosis).

Here is some good info on DEXA testing.

http://www.oregonimaging.com/Doctors/Xray/xdexa.htm

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[quote]Schwarzenegger wrote:

You meant DEXA or DXA scan. Dual x-ray absorptiometry.

http://www.oregonimaging.com/Doctors/Xray/xdexa.htm[/quote]

You’re right. It was a typo. I wasn’t suggesting any form of nandrolone.

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Just keep in mind the big picture. You’re a woman. Men love women- not men… unless they are gay. You don’t want to do anything that will make you more masculine. I don’t see how it would be possible for you to take a dosagage of anavar or any other androgen long enough for it to effect your bone mass without it also virilizing you to a degree. You really should consider another option for the osteoperosis.

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Well, it can happen given the good luck – if that’s the case – of an individual woman being able to get good anabolic results without any virilization. Both in for example medical use of androgens for osteoporosis, and for AIDS, there are a lot of cases where this happens.

But there are also quite a few where that’s not so. For example I know of a specific case of a woman who suffered a major voice change and some hirsutism from 20 mg/day oxandrolone.

So as a general warning you are right, it’s just that there can be exceptions, though they’re unpredictable.

Though for example 2 mg/day of oxandrolone I’m not aware of (doesn’t mean though it’s never happened) any woman getting into trouble with that and yet this can be effective.

Generally incidentally the medical dose of androgens for osteoporosis treatment of women is fairly low, e.g. 5 mg/day of methyl-T.

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ok,
Thanks everyone to all your responses. I think I should paint a better picture of my health for you. I weight 107 lbs, I am 5"2.5 and my body fat is 11%. I lift weights three time a week and I look great. I am too thin. I have a lot of neck pain and I was diagnosed with osteoperosis ten years ago and it has moved into my hip. I know I want to take steroids to enhance my muscles size without gaining fat but I dont want to look or act like a man. I know it will help with the pain. Please tell me what to take, how much and what cycles. I already eat the correct diet.
Thanks!

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Well I sure can’t say any specific woman with no history with androgen use for me to evaluate should do any given thing at all.

(In contrast, if I know that she has done certain things and been OK with them, then that gives the information to avoid crossing the line.)

What I can tell you is this:

  1. There is no point in your cycling, with one exception. If this is the way to go for you, then the use is best continuous for the most part.

The exception has to do with the liver and if using alkylated steroids (which most orals, pretty much all but Primobolan, are) – better here to have break periods. For example 2 weeks off each 6 weeks would be helpful for the liver in this case.

But if nothing alklyated is being used, for example almost all injectables aren’t alkylated, then there is no point, none, to your cycling it. Better for same total amount used to use it continually and evenly rather than off sometimes and on (at higher levels than if continuous) at other times.

  1. Avoid spikes. For example, if taking X mg/day of a given androgen orally, divide it into the most doses practical within reason rather than all at once.

  2. If using an injectable, again avoid the spikes. For example let’s say the plan is to use 50 mg/week of Primobolan Depot. (Not that all women can get away with this because some cannot, without virilization, but many can.) It would be best to use an insulin needle and take 14 mg every other day than to inject 50 mg once per week.

The reason is avoiding having high peak levels.

I do want to emphasize that finding a doctor skilled with osteoporosis should be the first priority. (Not that you necessarily haven’t done that, likely you have.)

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[quote]Bill Roberts wrote:

  1. If using an injectable, again avoid the spikes. For example let’s say the plan is to use 50 mg/week of Primobolan Depot. (Not that all women can get away with this because some cannot, without virilization, but many can.) It would be best to use an insulin needle and take 14 mg every other day than to inject 50 mg once per week.

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Mr. Roberts,

I use a 21 gauge 1.5" syringe, to inject (legally) Test Cyp. Is Primobolan Depot with an insulin needle with a more frequent protocol better for men as well? I inject every 2 weeks (would do once/week but would run out too quickly).

Sorry about the hijack, OP. If this should be through PM, let me know.

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A lot of times OA is accompanied by Osteoporosis.

As for the virilization effects of steroids in women, I will say that they are vastly over emphasized by many ignorant posters on this site and many other sites.

Yes the period stops, but it does return to normal following succession of the steroids.

Steroids when taken responsibly by women can be taken safely.

Obviously you are not worrying about having children at this point so that is not a problem we have to worry about.

My wife is 38 years old, and is in a simmilar sittuation as we are not worried about having children.

She started using steroids out of curiosity to enhance training, but quickly found that they were the one and only sure relief of chronic deabilitating headaches she would get.

We have tried many compounds, but her favorite has been winstrol, used at 10 mg per day orally.

She feels ‘bloated’ using anavar.

We have also used compounds such as Primobolan, Equipoise, Proviron, and Nandrolone phenylpropinate (a faster clearance time than deca). winstrol, and Anavar. We will be trying Oral Turinabol in the next few days.

From our experience I can tell you you want to be carefull using the compounds that are long acting - the injectable depots with the long esters that take a while to clear.

using the orals or short acting injectables, if any negative side effects that you don’t want occur, you just need to reduce your dosage or stop, and the side effects will reverse themselves before it is too late.

When using injectables, I found that the safety zone for using long acting depots such as primo and equipoise, was to stay at 50mg total for the week.

at 100mg, masculinazation sides would begin to appear - i.e. her voice might begin to sound lower.

I will say this though if you do notice lowering of voice and stop the injectables right away, the voice does return, to normal afterward.

The sides you want to be carefull with are voice lowering, and hair growth.

Clitoral enlargement, for most women is acceptable.

Normally the sides don’t appear all at once, but go in steps, and succession coresponding to how androgentic your steroids you are using are, or how high the dose you are using:

first is increased libido, then period changes or stops, then clitoral enlargement, then the voice can begin to lower, and following that or at the same time hair growth. (There may be slight differences depending on genetics of the individual, however this is the general model)

Masculinization sides have nothing to do with how long you are on the steroids for, and everything to do with the strength of the dose you are using, or the degree of androgenicity.

Over all my wife’s experience using steroids has been extremenly positive for her quality of life. I never pushed them on her, and still don’t. She takes them of her own accord. I think you should try them, as there is a good chance they could improve your quality of life, as all anabolic steroids do increase calcium retention and bone mass.

There are some pictures of my wife on my profile, she is very feminine looking all will agree.

Also keep in mind, at the recent figure olympia, there for sure wasn’t a single figures competitor out there that wasn’t jacked, and nobody on here would say that any of those women were in anyway masculine at all.

A P.S. would also be to research using HGH for enhancing bone density, and quality of life/ anti-aging purposes.

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[quote]Headhunter wrote:

I use a 21 gauge 1.5" syringe, to inject (legally) Test Cyp. Is Primobolan Depot with an insulin needle with a more frequent protocol better for men as well? I inject every 2 weeks (would do once/week but would run out too quickly).
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I take 100mg/week of test cyp and weekly injections were too much of a roller coaster for me. I then did 14mg ED for a while to get to a dead level. After knowing how that felt, I tried 28mg EOD/E2D. That seemed better and also was a natural fit with my 250iu HCG EOD that I take at the same time.

I use a #29 .5ml 1/2" insulin syringe and inject into the vastus lateralis. That 1/2" length is fine for amounts this small. That would not be good for someone who has fat on their legs!

The important thing is doing what seems to feel best to you. You have to experiment and find that balance yourself.

To keep the needles sharp, use a larger gauge needle and go through the center of the rubber of the vial, do a few times, rotating the needle. Then hit that center spot with the #29 needle and the tip will remain sharper that way. Ditto for HCG vials.

Select spots to inject to avoid tiny surface veins and deeper larger ones under the skin. Most injections will be totally blood free. Use a plastic tube or pen top to press on the selected spot to mark it. Then swap and let dry… the spot is still there. This method is used by the medical folks to mark vein locations for blood donations etc.

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[quote]KSman wrote:
Headhunter wrote:

I use a 21 gauge 1.5" syringe, to inject (legally) Test Cyp. Is Primobolan Depot with an insulin needle with a more frequent protocol better for men as well? I inject every 2 weeks (would do once/week but would run out too quickly).

I take 100mg/week of test cyp and weekly injections were too much of a roller coaster for me. I then did 14mg ED for a while to get to a dead level. After knowing how that felt, I tried 28mg EOD/E2D. That seemed better and also was a natural fit with my 250iu HCG EOD that I take at the same time.

I use a #29 .5ml 1/2" insulin syringe and inject into the vastus lateralis. That 1/2" length is fine for amounts this small. That would not be good for someone who has fat on their legs!

The important thing is doing what seems to feel best to you. You have to experiment and find that balance yourself.

To keep the needles sharp, use a larger gauge needle and go through the center of the rubber of the vial, do a few times, rotating the needle. Then hit that center spot with the #29 needle and the tip will remain sharper that way. Ditto for HCG vials.

Select spots to inject to avoid tiny surface veins and deeper larger ones under the skin. Most injections will be totally blood free. Use a plastic tube or pen top to press on the selected spot to mark it. Then swap and let dry… the spot is still there. This method is used by the medical folks to mark vein locations for blood donations etc.[/quote]

Thanks, KSman!

Question: my cyp is in oil and the stuff is thick. You can use a 29 on that?

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[quote]ninjazx10r wrote:
My other reason more important to me is that I have osteoporosis and the pain is excruiating. What else besides anavar could i take that would help curb the pain.[/quote]

Hi.
If you are having lots of pain from osteoporosis, are you having vertebral compression fractures?
In Germany, in familes with a confirmined osteoporosis diagnosis
they do profolactic vertebral(vertebral plasty) methalacralate injections from T1-t12.
They have found that it lowers their medical costs in the long run(nationalized med).
I think that would be hard to convince
someone in the US to do that.

You might want to contact www.allthingsmale.com (he works on women too).
Dr. Tim