In those cases, not only do we have to face a crazy bitch, but the cops and the whole judicial system are on her side.
That’s where the major problem is.
I don’t disagree with that at all… BUT I don’t see how physically beating on someone weaker than you, even if provoked is going to help the situation. Nor do I think pushing to have that be socially acceptable is a quality move either.
It is one of those double standards that we just have to work around.
Shit girls bleed for 5 days a month, and my biggest pain in the ass is shaving my face. I’ll take dealing with crazy bitches over bleeding every month anyday.[/quote]
Of course I’m not gonna beat the crap of someone that attacks me. Whether it’s a man or a woman, I’ll use the minimum amount of force needed to leave the altercation harmless. Of course, I will need more power to make a guy harmless than I will need to restrain a woman, I’m not gonna pointlessly beat the other person up, that’s dumb and I agree with you on this point. Like Asimov said, violence is the last refuge of the incompetent.
However, using the judicial system, a crazy bitch can cause me trouble because of the little amount of force I tried to restrain her. For example, if she’s trying to hit you and you hold her arms so she can’t, it may leave mark on the wrists, and she can tell the cops that you were holding her and wouldn’t let her go. Even if she doesn’t lie, she can say that you restrained her and you can get arrested for physical assault, even if you used very little force trying to defend yourself. That’s where it sucks.
My relationship gets physical from time to time, but I have only ever truly struck her once, and it was a huge mistake that I still regret. It’s a trust-shattering thing to do, and the sad part is it’s something that can be avoided 99% of the time.
In my opinion, when it comes to physically hurting a woman, if you CAN avoid it, you SHOULD avoid it. The type of guy that does hit his women regularly doesn’t do so out of necessity, they do so because they are insecure with themselves and take that out on others.
I don’t think anybody is debating whether or not it is okay to strike a woman if she is a real and immediate threat to you or your family, and if they are debating that it is because their girlfriend is standing over their shoulder while they are typing, so just ignore them.
I would also like to add that another issue I have noticed is quite common in America, and have had some experience with, is womens’ emotional abuse of their men. I think this can be just as damaging as physical abuse, but popular attitudes and media haven’t shed any light on the issue, and in fact seem to almost endorse it by making the theme of every other cooking/cleaning commercial on TV depicts men as fools deserving of emotional abuse and condescension.
I think if you are exerting emotional control and abuse over a person that has less range and experience in that area than you do, that is not so different from exerting your physical prowess over someone that simply has less physical ability than you.
[quote]Davinci.v2 wrote:
Sosruko wrote:
Hes now blind in one eye and partially sighted in the other, I cant make my mind up whether i would get involved does that make me a coward?
Sorry but yes it does. Being brave is doing what’s right when looking into the face of fear.[/quote]
lololol…Everybody wants to be a hero. I’ve learned one thing, “you have no place in grown folks business”… If a child is being beaten i will step in, other than that i’ll pass.
Man beats woman
You step in, beat man, save woman
Man takes you to court for assault
Woman is his witness and testifies against you
You get charged
Pays fines and takes anger management classes
Woman goes home with man and the cycle continues
Chances are if a man is bold enough to beat a woman in public this is a reoccurring event. If she choses to stay then that’s up to her.
On another note, why is it coward to hit a woman?.. Aren’t we all feminist?.. Equal rights?.. So why can a woman hit a man but a man can’t hit a woman?.. Is it because society sees her as inferior and defenseless?.. Thoughtful answer please.
[quote]legendaryblaze wrote:
Good post. I like the last line.
Can we know why you struck her?[/quote]
Because she had been yelling/insulting me for about an hour and had started pushing me around and smacking me on the head to make me stop ignoring her, which unfortunately worked and my reaction was totally inappropriate and anger-fueled.
Alcohol, miscommunication, and sleep deprivation were all involved.
seem to almost endorse it by making the theme of every other cooking/cleaning commercial on TV depicts men as fools deserving of emotional abuse and condescension.
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YES! I thought I was the only one who noticed as I’ve never heard anyone else talk about it. I fucking see this in the media all the time and fucking HATE it. Men are always portrayed as stupid, delusional, slobs with the smart wife having the solution although delivering it quite condescendingly. One time my ex thought it would be funny to send me a bumper sticker that said, “Men are idiots and I married the king.” I was really pissed off, and she didn’t quite understand why (even though I explained it pretty well. Oh the irony), but its because of my aforementioned hate of the way men are portrayed and thought of in society nowadays, regardless of whether it is true or not.
Example: Me and my ex took a shitload of college classes together, and I ALWAYS did better than her and learned a lot faster, and even had to teach her some of it myself. I made better decisions than she did in general. However, she was still condescending as fuck at every opportunity…and she still had it in her mind that I’m stupid because I’m a guy. I’m not motherfucking Al Bundy or Homer Simpson! Jeebus Christ!
[quote]angus_beef wrote:
Davinci.v2 wrote:
Sosruko wrote:
Hes now blind in one eye and partially sighted in the other, I cant make my mind up whether i would get involved does that make me a coward?
Sorry but yes it does. Being brave is doing what’s right when looking into the face of fear.
lololol…Everybody wants to be a hero. I’ve learned one thing, “you have no place in grown folks business”… If a child is being beaten i will step in, other than that i’ll pass.
Man beats woman
You step in, beat man, save woman
Man takes you to court for assault
Woman is his witness and testifies against you
You get charged
Pays fines and takes anger management classes
Woman goes home with man and the cycle continues
Chances are if a man is bold enough to beat a woman in public this is a reoccurring event. If she choses to stay then that’s up to her.
On another note, why is it coward to hit a woman?.. Aren’t we all feminist?.. Equal rights?.. So why can a woman hit a man but a man can’t hit a woman?.. Is it because society sees her as inferior and defenseless?.. Thoughtful answer please.
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Feminist answer: 9 times out of 10 a man hitting a woman is the same logistical situation as a larger man beating a much smaller man. It just isn’t fair.
My answer: I don’t consider myself a feminist, and I do think women are weaker, more helpless, and PHYSICALLY inferior to men in many ways (not all, as women do live longer in cultures where they receive equal medical attention, typically have greater measurable endurance, and endure childbirth).
Although honestly I do see things similar to the feminist response, in that if I saw a man hitting a women who has as large and as strong as he was, I would feel considerably different about the situation, however I would still probably intervene because I was raised with non-“intellectual” sexist southern sensibilities, and I think women deserve to be protected from harm. Sorry.
seem to almost endorse it by making the theme of every other cooking/cleaning commercial on TV depicts men as fools deserving of emotional abuse and condescension.
YES! I thought I was the only one who noticed as I’ve never heard anyone else talk about it. I fucking see this in the media all the time and fucking HATE it. Men are always portrayed as stupid, delusional, slobs with the smart wife having the solution although delivering it quite condescendingly. One time my ex thought it would be funny to send me a bumper sticker that said, “Men are idiots and I married the king.” I was really pissed off, and she didn’t quite understand why (even though I explained it pretty well. Oh the irony), but its because of my aforementioned hate of the way men are portrayed and thought of in society nowadays, regardless of whether it is true or not. Example: Me and my ex took a shitload of college classes together, and I ALWAYS did better than her and learned a lot faster, and even had to teach her some of it myself. I made better decisions than she did in general. However, she was still condescending as fuck at every opportunity…and she still had it in her mind that I’m stupid because I’m a guy. I’m not motherfucking Al Bundy or Homer Simpson! Jeebus Christ!
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It persists for the same reason that even in a post-war era where women were joining the workforce and getting a better education, it was still socially acceptable for a man to strike her in his home, and non-consensual sex within marriage wasn’t even considered rape.
It took a lengthy and difficult womens’ rights movement to reduce such things and turn them from acceptable into taboo.
seem to almost endorse it by making the theme of every other cooking/cleaning commercial on TV depicts men as fools deserving of emotional abuse and condescension.
YES! I thought I was the only one who noticed as I’ve never heard anyone else talk about it. I fucking see this in the media all the time and fucking HATE it. Men are always portrayed as stupid, delusional, slobs with the smart wife having the solution although delivering it quite condescendingly. One time my ex thought it would be funny to send me a bumper sticker that said, “Men are idiots and I married the king.” I was really pissed off, and she didn’t quite understand why (even though I explained it pretty well. Oh the irony), but its because of my aforementioned hate of the way men are portrayed and thought of in society nowadays, regardless of whether it is true or not.
Example: Me and my ex took a shitload of college classes together, and I ALWAYS did better than her and learned a lot faster, and even had to teach her some of it myself. I made better decisions than she did in general. However, she was still condescending as fuck at every opportunity…and she still had it in her mind that I’m stupid because I’m a guy. I’m not motherfucking Al Bundy or Homer Simpson! Jeebus Christ!
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True, but this is another topic, we shouldn’t turn this thread in a misogyny thread. (I didn’t say you were misogynist, but it could turn that way)
[quote]Annihilator wrote:
AttackOfTheChris wrote:
mr popular wrote:
seem to almost endorse it by making the theme of every other cooking/cleaning commercial on TV depicts men as fools deserving of emotional abuse and condescension.
YES! I thought I was the only one who noticed as I’ve never heard anyone else talk about it. I fucking see this in the media all the time and fucking HATE it. Men are always portrayed as stupid, delusional, slobs with the smart wife having the solution although delivering it quite condescendingly. One time my ex thought it would be funny to send me a bumper sticker that said, “Men are idiots and I married the king.” I was really pissed off, and she didn’t quite understand why (even though I explained it pretty well. Oh the irony), but its because of my aforementioned hate of the way men are portrayed and thought of in society nowadays, regardless of whether it is true or not.
Example: Me and my ex took a shitload of college classes together, and I ALWAYS did better than her and learned a lot faster, and even had to teach her some of it myself. I made better decisions than she did in general. However, she was still condescending as fuck at every opportunity…and she still had it in her mind that I’m stupid because I’m a guy. I’m not motherfucking Al Bundy or Homer Simpson! Jeebus Christ!
True, but this is another topic, we shouldn’t turn this thread in a misogyny thread. (I didn’t say you were misogynist, but it could turn that way)[/quote]
Yeah I’m not, I can see how people would jump in and make it ugly fast, so good call. I agree to end the thread hijack.
[quote]Annihilator wrote:
AttackOfTheChris wrote:
mr popular wrote:
seem to almost endorse it by making the theme of every other cooking/cleaning commercial on TV depicts men as fools deserving of emotional abuse and condescension.
YES! I thought I was the only one who noticed as I’ve never heard anyone else talk about it. I fucking see this in the media all the time and fucking HATE it. Men are always portrayed as stupid, delusional, slobs with the smart wife having the solution although delivering it quite condescendingly. One time my ex thought it would be funny to send me a bumper sticker that said, “Men are idiots and I married the king.” I was really pissed off, and she didn’t quite understand why (even though I explained it pretty well. Oh the irony), but its because of my aforementioned hate of the way men are portrayed and thought of in society nowadays, regardless of whether it is true or not.
Example: Me and my ex took a shitload of college classes together, and I ALWAYS did better than her and learned a lot faster, and even had to teach her some of it myself. I made better decisions than she did in general. However, she was still condescending as fuck at every opportunity…and she still had it in her mind that I’m stupid because I’m a guy. I’m not motherfucking Al Bundy or Homer Simpson! Jeebus Christ!
True, but this is another topic, we shouldn’t turn this thread in a misogyny thread. (I didn’t say you were misogynist, but it could turn that way)[/quote]
It has nothing to do with misogyny, and any misogynists that take the opportunity to just bash women would rightfully be ignored while we discuss a new sub-topic.
Then again, I didn’t realize you were the forum topic police.
I was just Browsing this thread and I think one f my personal experiences can help this disscussion. Not long ago i was in a parking lot at taco bell with my friends, we had 2 cars and were just about to leave when some guy jumped out of his car on the drive through and started cursing my friend. At first I thought they knew each other and were fucking around but then he grabed one of the girls getting into my friend’s car by the neck. She kicked him and got away but was in shock and did not go into the car, so for the next 10-15 minuts this guy and the 2 whores he had with him were cursing me and the 2 girls in my car say we were talking shit to them(we wern’t they were coked out).
So this guy starts to go for the girl he grabbed earlier and i got in the middle. Hes standing in front of me fisted clenched and told I him I didnt want to fight but would if he didnt stop. Then I told him to get the fuck out and he drove off like the bitch he was. Most of these scumbags are cowards who will run as soon a man gets in there face. Yes i could have gotten hurt but, to me honor still means something.
Right, and I’m saying outside of your life in danger, it is never justified.
Obviously restraining is the ideal solution but that’s not really the topic at hand.
Sort of, because again outside of your life being in danger it is the only course of action that you should take IMO. Beating up a woman is not justifiable outside if she is going to kill you, or it is some kinky sex game
So what if it was a small and weak man?
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Personally, I think that is wrong also, and if he were elderly or a child it is the same as hitting a woman.
But if it is two 30 year old men waving dicks in a bar fight, I’m not going to intervene. It is just a different situation in my mind.
Ultimately I’m not a violent person and feel like resorting to it is normally the worst choice. At times it can’t be avoided, but like to think that a person could go through life after highschool (maybe college too) without ever throwing a punch again if they so choose.
[quote]angus_beef wrote:
Davinci.v2 wrote:
Sosruko wrote:
Hes now blind in one eye and partially sighted in the other, I cant make my mind up whether i would get involved does that make me a coward?
Sorry but yes it does. Being brave is doing what’s right when looking into the face of fear.
lololol…Everybody wants to be a hero. I’ve learned one thing, “you have no place in grown folks business”… If a child is being beaten i will step in, other than that i’ll pass.
Man beats woman
You step in, beat man, save woman
Man takes you to court for assault
Woman is his witness and testifies against you
You get charged
Pays fines and takes anger management classes
Woman goes home with man and the cycle continues
Chances are if a man is bold enough to beat a woman in public this is a reoccurring event. If she choses to stay then that’s up to her.
On another note, why is it coward to hit a woman?.. Aren’t we all feminist?.. Equal rights?.. So why can a woman hit a man but a man can’t hit a woman?.. Is it because society sees her as inferior and defenseless?.. Thoughtful answer please.
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Exactly i know someone who works in a jail and gets shit like this all the time. And lol at honor.
Men should keep their balls. Others, being walked over might not be an option you can avoid, unless you LEAVE. I don’t know why some of you can’t understand that. How are you going to communicate to a crazy bitch to stop walking on you, to stop being violent. It doesn’t work. I never did have favour toward a stiff spined rooster type persona anyway.
Also on hitting a woman back, if a woman hits me closed fisted more than once she will be forcibly restrained and maybe slapped. A woman can break bone and skin if she hits hard or enough times.
If she pulls a bat a knife or a gun, I would not have a problem with any male defending himself by any means necessary.
In one of the raps they say “a bitch with a gun is a man”, pretty much telling men to stop being fools.
The chivalry that has died is not because of men, its because more women are behaving like thugs - and other men will protect them even when they are very wrong.
I think the biggest question is if they are physically inferior in way that would inhibit there ability to defend themselves. Abuse against the defenseless is what is cowardly, correct?
If we would like to make the general assumption that this is true for women (situation specific) then, I guess we would see [men] hitting women = cowardly.
She cant hurt you, she isnt TRYING to hurt you either.
The “defending yourself” is a moot point, just restrain her if she does anything crazy like pulling a knife or something…
Men should never need to assert their dominance physically, it should NEVER be questioned.
Only weaker/small guys hit girls, because they have to actually prove to them that they are stronger.
If your a big guy, its never questioned, you never have to prove it, its assumed.
Physical dominance doesn’t make you “right” in an argument, so why bother to assert it ?
It should never be questioned, if it is, then its YOUR fault for not being large enough, and it is completely irrelevant in an argument.
The girl should always know your physically superior, but she also knows that doesn’t make you any smarter or more correct…so its not like it helps or hurts that situation…
