I was thinking of doing such a cycle…I think Bill Roberts himself said it would be largely ineffective. Most people who take winstrol take is as an ad-on to other, basic injectable steroids…like test/deca/equi…it keeps you hard supposedly…some say it blocks deca’s affinity for progesterone receptors (which can make you bloated).
I’m planning a deca/test/win cycle myself. If I don’t get the injectables soon…I may experiment with a 2 week win/anavar cycle (about 20mgs a day of each) just to see what it does. I’m not looking to get huge just facilitate protein assimilation.
Oh no, if I said that a Winstrol-only cycle would be ineffective, I was only referring to some particular cycle someone was proposing – I remember seeing someone asking about using some very small dose recently.
Winstrol-only is not the most powerful steroid
regimen possible but can certainly give good gains to someone who is not over their natural limit. The only real objections are price, and more importantly that being 17-alkylated (and this has the same toxicity when injected as when taken orally) you do have to limit use. Fundamentally you can’t (or rather, should not) do a heavy, long cycle of Winstrol.
50 mg/day for 5 weeks (or as part of a 2 week cycle, injected only during the first week, then taking orally, perhaps increasing to 100 mg/day, oral doses being divided to many times per day) is a nice addition to a stack
but by itself is modest, though many will be quite happy with it. 100 mg/day for 5 weeks is pushing it a little harder with regards to toxicity but still not too bad really, and will give more noticeable results. It really is more rational though to combine it with a Class I steroid – Primo is a particularly nice choice.
Excuse my simple (maybe dumb) question but you said injected THEN taken oraly. Are talking about using the injectable batch oraly? I thought you needed pills for the oral. Or can I get the injectable and use it oraly?
Or were you refering to injectable for the first week then get pills for use after that?
Just a newbie that doesn’t want to start asking guys in the locker room these questions.
Stick with the Andro and Nandro kid. Ask yourself if gaining 10 to 15 pounds is worth some time in the pokey next to some guy who thinks your pimpley butt is cute.
Anavar is an oral. Win is both oral and injectible…but both wins are liver toxic. I think the injectible win may be more available over the oral form…but I’m not sure.
The win I have is oral, so yes, it would be an all oral cycle. I’m not sure what win is classified as - type I (binds well to AR) or type II (non AR mediated effects)…just know that it “makes you hard” and is usually added to other drugs.
Winny is excellent. I’ve never stacked it with the Andro sprays, but I’ve stacked it with Fina and Test plenty of times. I’ve noticed if I take too much Winny V, my joints begin to ache.
Well Bill is the man on top of things as usual. I do have to say something that is a pet peeve of mine. Oger, I know you don’t know better, but Winstrol does not make you leaner. I don’t know how many guys say to take it to get cut up. It doesn’t work that way. It doesn’t cause water retention, so guys who don’t understand think it works by cutting. You gain muscle on steroids. You change your metabolism by adding more muscle. You do lose more fat on a cycle because of this, but it is not exclusive of Winstrol.
Ok AVOIDS ROIDS. What is that makes you think that there is a big difference between 4-AD or NOr and any other steroids. Ok I will tell you the two Big differences. First the prohormones are legal and second they are not as effective. But they do work.If 4-AD has an anabollic action on its own before it is even converted to test than why can you consider it natural? What makes these diffferent than anyother steroid. It really irritates me when all these hollier than thou “NATURAL” bodybuilders are taking boatloads of prohormones and calling themselves natural.
Oger, yes, you can use Winstrol Depot orally: just mix thoroughly, draw up into a syringe, and meter out the appropriate dose. For example, if you want 25 mg and the Depot is 50 mg/mL, meter out 1/2 mL. This can be squirted into any beverage.