[quote]roybot wrote:
… or competitive dwarf throwers for that matter.
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Iron Dwarf, if you’re reading this, could you enlighten us on the state of dwarf throwers, please?
[quote]SteelyD wrote:
[quote]roybot wrote:
… or competitive dwarf throwers for that matter.
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Iron Dwarf, if you’re reading this, could you enlighten us on the state of dwarf throwers, please?[/quote]
Is it ones who throw dwarves, or dwarves who competitively throw things?
[quote]Mad_Duck wrote:
[quote]SteelyD wrote:
[quote]roybot wrote:
… or competitive dwarf throwers for that matter.
[/quote]
Iron Dwarf, if you’re reading this, could you enlighten us on the state of dwarf throwers, please?[/quote]
Is it ones who throw dwarves, or dwarves who competitively throw things?[/quote]
I meant the former - specifically, the variation where competitors throw dwarfs for distance:
I want no part of the so-called “sport” where dwarfs are tossed onto a velcro wall. That’s just tasteless and barbaric, and I refuse to add to their humiliation by posting a clip.
/hijack.
I’m so much opposed to other training methods and fitness goals that I must be against myself, considering I recently came home from a half hour swim and I have a full body workout tomorrow consisting of:
Push presses
Squats
Single-leg deadlifts
Lat pulldowns
Lateral raises
Woodchops
Bridges
Thanks guys.
[quote]Bricknyce wrote:
I’m so much opposed to other training methods and fitness goals that I must be against myself, considering I recently came home from a half hour swim and I have a full body workout tomorrow consisting of:
Push presses
Squats
Single-leg deadlifts
Lat pulldowns
Lateral raises
Woodchops
Bridges
Thanks guys. [/quote]
Since this thread has seem to gone out of hand, I don’t think anyone would mind if it’s de-railed a bit so… I’m interested in your set/rep scheme for this workout and how your deciding upon the weight your using.
wtf happend to this treadh!!
stronghold seems to be a guy who knows a lot about training, but he lost the argument when he postet the pics.
I think the point with the treadh is this: if you have a goal, organize your training in such a way that it will support your goal the best. if size is whats wanted, size is what you should have in mind when you organize your training. if strenghts is whats wanted, organize your training in a way that it will maximize strenght etc. I think every one can agree on this.
[quote]Pibbz wrote:
[quote]Bricknyce wrote:
I’m so much opposed to other training methods and fitness goals that I must be against myself, considering I recently came home from a half hour swim and I have a full body workout tomorrow consisting of:
Push presses
Squats
Single-leg deadlifts
Lat pulldowns
Lateral raises
Woodchops
Bridges
Thanks guys. [/quote]
Since this thread has seem to gone out of hand, I don’t think anyone would mind if it’s de-railed a bit so… I’m interested in your set/rep scheme for this workout and how your deciding upon the weight your using.[/quote]
I’m only doing this routine temporarily because only two sessions per week allows me to do more cardio and play some recreational sports–handball, paddleball, raquetball, b-ball–I used to enjoy before I became addicted to the gym. Needless to say, when I got back into these enjoyable activities, I was DESTROYED in what seemed like minutes! So I’m doing those activities and more cardio. When my conditioning is up to an appreciable level, I’m going to an upper-lower split with two upper body days and one lower that might look like this:
Day 1: Upper body - max effort, 15 minutes low-intensity cardio
Day 2: Intervals or hill sprints or recreational sport
Day 3: Lower body - dynamic and max effort combined, 15 minutes low-intensity cardio
Day 4: Intervals or hill sprints or recreational sport or OFF
Day 5: Upper body - dynamic effort, 15 minutes low-intensity cardio
Day 6: Intervals or hill sprints or recreational sport
Day 7: OFF
The intervals will be swimming or running intervals.
I’m building up to this stuff. This is NOT training for size - not training to get as possible - despite the fact that some size gains will occur provided my routine and diet aren’t retarded!
As per your question…
It’s only two sessions per week now. The other upper body workout looks like this:
Muscle snatch
Deadlift
Walking lunges
Dumbbell bench press
Dumbbell row
Ab wheel
Side bridge
The rep scheme is alternated like this:
Day 1: 2-3 x 12
Day 2: 3 x 8
Day 1: 4 x 5
Day 2: Repeat cycle
The workouts are on Wednesday and Saturday. I space them out with 2 to 3 days in between - spaced out as much as you can with 2 says per week.
I can actually run for 30 to 40 minutes without a problem now - no shin splints, no heaving like I’m gonna die, no cramps, no tightness in the lower or upper back.
[quote]roybot wrote:
The posters launching personal attacks on Bricknyce didn’t acquit themselves very well here. After taking almost two months away from this site (mainly to regain some sanity), I return, only to have to witness a very cowardly and unwarranted attack on one of the most passionate members here.
I took five minutes to skim over this thread and understood that Brick was criticizing the coaches and trainers who market themselves as bodybuilding gurus, in spite of never having dipped their toes in the water or even having achieved a competition-level physique (and there are plenty of them out there)…
He was not attacking Jim Wendler, powerlifters, martial artists/ combat athletes (in fairness though, I don’t think tap_u_out was threatening anybody) or competitive dwarf throwers for that matter.
For shame, ye of little comprehension. For shame.
Nice to see that the irrepressible Dankid has increased his fan club membership, though.[/quote]
Thanks Roybot. I appreciate you can see that.
Now, here’s my opinion on the matter at hand “Why train for strength if size is wanted?”. I want to preface my opinion by saying that I’m not preaching to anyone nor telling anyone how to train.
I believe powerlifting and bodybuilding are very specialized sports, one focusing on moving as much weight as possible; the other focusing on symmetry, size, definition, etc. Having said that some people do cross over and do well, others don’t.
When I read the title of this thread I personally understand the word “strength” in its generic meaning, not as in the specialized term as used in powerlifting.
If I understand correctly then “strength” as its intended meaning is a desired attribute in bodybuilding and in other sports. The stronger you are the more you can lift for reps in any given exercise therefore you can cause the desired effect bodybulding requires. For example, if I bench 8 reps @ 135 and my partner benches 8 reps at 225 at the same bodyweight, he will probably get better results. Obviously he has to have certain degree of “strength” to bench that weight.
Now then, training for “strength” per se as in powerlifting strength may not be as effective to a bodybuilder. A bodybuilder won’t need dynamic days or speed days, or deadlifting with bands, or a max effort day, or multiple board presses, or squatting with a suit, etc… The athlete would obviously benefit more from a bodybuilding protocol like body part splits, agonist-antagonist training, 8-12 rep range, 4-5 exercises per body part, varying rep tempo, supersets, etc… But we can also get the athlete to be stronger so he can handle more volume/intensity and take advantage of that type of training.
Again we have to realize they are both VERY SPECIALIZED sports. But I do believe though, the Average Joe would benefit with a program like 5/3/1 or DeFranco’s WS4SB because they are simple and address strength and size. Then people can choose their own path… specialize in powerlifting or bodybuilding.
[quote]Bricknyce wrote:
[quote]Pibbz wrote:
[quote]Bricknyce wrote:
I’m so much opposed to other training methods and fitness goals that I must be against myself, considering I recently came home from a half hour swim and I have a full body workout tomorrow consisting of:
Push presses
Squats
Single-leg deadlifts
Lat pulldowns
Lateral raises
Woodchops
Bridges
Thanks guys. [/quote]
Since this thread has seem to gone out of hand, I don’t think anyone would mind if it’s de-railed a bit so… I’m interested in your set/rep scheme for this workout and how your deciding upon the weight your using.[/quote]
I’m only doing this routine temporarily because only two sessions per week allows me to do more cardio and play some recreational sports–handball, paddleball, raquetball, b-ball–I used to enjoy before I became addicted to the gym. Needless to say, when I got back into these enjoyable activities, I was DESTROYED in what seemed like minutes! So I’m doing those activities and more cardio. When my conditioning is up to an appreciable level, I’m going to an upper-lower split with two upper body days and one lower that might look like this:
Day 1: Upper body - max effort, 15 minutes low-intensity cardio
Day 2: Intervals or hill sprints or recreational sport
Day 3: Lower body - dynamic and max effort combined, 15 minutes low-intensity cardio
Day 4: Intervals or hill sprints or recreational sport or OFF
Day 5: Upper body - dynamic effort, 15 minutes low-intensity cardio
Day 6: Intervals or hill sprints or recreational sport
Day 7: OFF
The intervals will be swimming or running intervals.
I’m building up to this stuff. This is NOT training for size - not training to get as possible - despite the fact that some size gains will occur provided my routine and diet aren’t retarded!
As per your question…
It’s only two sessions per week now. The other upper body workout looks like this:
Muscle snatch
Deadlift
Walking lunges
Dumbbell bench press
Dumbbell row
Ab wheel
Side bridge
The rep scheme is alternated like this:
Day 1: 2-3 x 12
Day 2: 3 x 8
Day 1: 4 x 5
Day 2: Repeat cycle
The workouts are on Wednesday and Saturday. I space them out with 2 to 3 days in between - spaced out as much as you can with 2 says per week.
I can actually run for 30 to 40 minutes without a problem now - no shin splints, no heaving like I’m gonna die, no cramps, no tightness in the lower or upper back.
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Hey Brick… if you want some conditioning without having to do those long 45-60 min sessions you can PM or I can post. Just wanna share some ideas with you 
Please share. I’m open to new stuff–all sorts of conditioning–especially now that outdoor weather is coming. I intend to do hill sprints and outdoor swimming and running. But if you have any cool sprint or calisthenic type workouts, please share or point me in the right direction.
[quote]Bricknyce wrote:
Please share. I’m open to new stuff–all sorts of conditioning–especially now that outdoor weather is coming. I intend to do hill sprints and outdoor swimming and running. But if you have any cool sprint or calisthenic type workouts, please share or point me in the right direction.
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Something that works well is EDT-style timed sets of pull-ups. Shoot for total number of reps in a 10 minute time frame and try to beat your previous rep PR every workout. If you push it hard its a great strength-cardio workout as well as a way to get pretty damned good at pullups pretty quickly while investing about 20 minutes a week.
[quote]Stronghold wrote:
[quote]Bricknyce wrote:
Please share. I’m open to new stuff–all sorts of conditioning–especially now that outdoor weather is coming. I intend to do hill sprints and outdoor swimming and running. But if you have any cool sprint or calisthenic type workouts, please share or point me in the right direction.
[/quote]
Something that works well is EDT-style timed sets of pull-ups. Shoot for total number of reps in a 10 minute time frame and try to beat your previous rep PR every workout. If you push it hard its a great strength-cardio workout as well as a way to get pretty damned good at pullups pretty quickly while investing about 20 minutes a week.[/quote]
Thank you very much. I also looked at Staley’s article on hill sprints and Berardi’s Indecent Intervals article.
[quote]Bricknyce wrote:
[quote]Stronghold wrote:
[quote]Bricknyce wrote:
Please share. I’m open to new stuff–all sorts of conditioning–especially now that outdoor weather is coming. I intend to do hill sprints and outdoor swimming and running. But if you have any cool sprint or calisthenic type workouts, please share or point me in the right direction.
[/quote]
Something that works well is EDT-style timed sets of pull-ups. Shoot for total number of reps in a 10 minute time frame and try to beat your previous rep PR every workout. If you push it hard its a great strength-cardio workout as well as a way to get pretty damned good at pullups pretty quickly while investing about 20 minutes a week.[/quote]
Thank you very much. I also looked at Staley’s article on hill sprints and Berardi’s Indecent Intervals article. [/quote]
Hill sprints are excellent but will cut deeply into your recovery capabilities until you fully adapt. Make sure your mobility and flexibility are also up to par also because for some reason, running hills especially exacerbates any sort of impending injury due to functional imbalance.
If you’re in NYC, then I’m sure there is somewhere within a reasonable distance that has some strongman-type implements. Rickshaw and farmer’s carries are a new favorite of time. My training partner and I will often set up a 50-100 yd course and take turns while the other walks alongside as “active recovery”. The real challenge comes into play because everyone wants to make sure the other guy gets to rest as little as possible so you’re constantly pushing it as hard as possible.
^^^^ You guys kiss and make up?
Not into grudges.
[quote]Stronghold wrote:
Not into grudges.[/quote]
good. nice to see some maturity on this site. well done.
[quote]Stronghold wrote:
[quote]Bricknyce wrote:
[quote]Stronghold wrote:
[quote]Bricknyce wrote:
Please share. I’m open to new stuff–all sorts of conditioning–especially now that outdoor weather is coming. I intend to do hill sprints and outdoor swimming and running. But if you have any cool sprint or calisthenic type workouts, please share or point me in the right direction.
[/quote]
Something that works well is EDT-style timed sets of pull-ups. Shoot for total number of reps in a 10 minute time frame and try to beat your previous rep PR every workout. If you push it hard its a great strength-cardio workout as well as a way to get pretty damned good at pullups pretty quickly while investing about 20 minutes a week.[/quote]
Thank you very much. I also looked at Staley’s article on hill sprints and Berardi’s Indecent Intervals article. [/quote]
Hill sprints are excellent but will cut deeply into your recovery capabilities until you fully adapt. Make sure your mobility and flexibility are also up to par also because for some reason, running hills especially exacerbates any sort of impending injury due to functional imbalance.
If you’re in NYC, then I’m sure there is somewhere within a reasonable distance that has some strongman-type implements. Rickshaw and farmer’s carries are a new favorite of time. My training partner and I will often set up a 50-100 yd course and take turns while the other walks alongside as “active recovery”. The real challenge comes into play because everyone wants to make sure the other guy gets to rest as little as possible so you’re constantly pushing it as hard as possible.[/quote]
Oh yes. Sprints are very tough and I don’t think they should be attempted by people that are carrying too much fat and aren’t very mobile. I do mobility drills 3 to 4 timeds per week, but I believe I have to shed a bit more bodyfat before I start doing sprints shorter than 400 m.
Yes, there are two gyms within reasonable distance with those implements. Can’t I just do Farmer’s Walks with heavy dumbbells across an aerobics room floor?
[quote]alit4 wrote:
[quote]Stronghold wrote:
Not into grudges.[/quote]
good. nice to see some maturity on this site. well done.[/quote]
x2
[quote]Bricknyce wrote:
[quote]Stronghold wrote:
[quote]Bricknyce wrote:
[quote]Stronghold wrote:
[quote]Bricknyce wrote:
Please share. I’m open to new stuff–all sorts of conditioning–especially now that outdoor weather is coming. I intend to do hill sprints and outdoor swimming and running. But if you have any cool sprint or calisthenic type workouts, please share or point me in the right direction.
[/quote]
Something that works well is EDT-style timed sets of pull-ups. Shoot for total number of reps in a 10 minute time frame and try to beat your previous rep PR every workout. If you push it hard its a great strength-cardio workout as well as a way to get pretty damned good at pullups pretty quickly while investing about 20 minutes a week.[/quote]
Thank you very much. I also looked at Staley’s article on hill sprints and Berardi’s Indecent Intervals article. [/quote]
Hill sprints are excellent but will cut deeply into your recovery capabilities until you fully adapt. Make sure your mobility and flexibility are also up to par also because for some reason, running hills especially exacerbates any sort of impending injury due to functional imbalance.
If you’re in NYC, then I’m sure there is somewhere within a reasonable distance that has some strongman-type implements. Rickshaw and farmer’s carries are a new favorite of time. My training partner and I will often set up a 50-100 yd course and take turns while the other walks alongside as “active recovery”. The real challenge comes into play because everyone wants to make sure the other guy gets to rest as little as possible so you’re constantly pushing it as hard as possible.[/quote]
Oh yes. Sprints are very tough and I don’t think they should be attempted by people that are carrying too much fat and aren’t very mobile. I do mobility drills 3 to 4 timeds per week, but I believe I have to shed a bit more bodyfat before I start doing sprints shorter than 400 m.
Yes, there are two gyms within reasonable distance with those implements. Can’t I just do Farmer’s Walks with heavy dumbbells across an aerobics room floor? [/quote]
Brick, what part of NYC are you based in? I’ll be moving to Manhattan (and will most likely live in the Murrary Hill or lower east area) in July to start work, and I’m hoping to find a decent gym and possibly a gym with strongman-type stuff.
[quote]Bricknyce wrote:
[quote]Stronghold wrote:
[quote]Bricknyce wrote:
[quote]Stronghold wrote:
[quote]Bricknyce wrote:
Please share. I’m open to new stuff–all sorts of conditioning–especially now that outdoor weather is coming. I intend to do hill sprints and outdoor swimming and running. But if you have any cool sprint or calisthenic type workouts, please share or point me in the right direction.
[/quote]
Something that works well is EDT-style timed sets of pull-ups. Shoot for total number of reps in a 10 minute time frame and try to beat your previous rep PR every workout. If you push it hard its a great strength-cardio workout as well as a way to get pretty damned good at pullups pretty quickly while investing about 20 minutes a week.[/quote]
Thank you very much. I also looked at Staley’s article on hill sprints and Berardi’s Indecent Intervals article. [/quote]
Hill sprints are excellent but will cut deeply into your recovery capabilities until you fully adapt. Make sure your mobility and flexibility are also up to par also because for some reason, running hills especially exacerbates any sort of impending injury due to functional imbalance.
If you’re in NYC, then I’m sure there is somewhere within a reasonable distance that has some strongman-type implements. Rickshaw and farmer’s carries are a new favorite of time. My training partner and I will often set up a 50-100 yd course and take turns while the other walks alongside as “active recovery”. The real challenge comes into play because everyone wants to make sure the other guy gets to rest as little as possible so you’re constantly pushing it as hard as possible.[/quote]
Oh yes. Sprints are very tough and I don’t think they should be attempted by people that are carrying too much fat and aren’t very mobile. I do mobility drills 3 to 4 timeds per week, but I believe I have to shed a bit more bodyfat before I start doing sprints shorter than 400 m.
Yes, there are two gyms within reasonable distance with those implements. Can’t I just do Farmer’s Walks with heavy dumbbells across an aerobics room floor? [/quote]
Oh, of course you can. I was just thinking you were wanting to do your conditioning outside and most commercial gyms generally frown upon people taking their equipment out the back door with them 
When I was in school, our “fitness center” was a two story building with a staircase near the free weight area and I would do farmers walks with dumbbells up the stairs as a finisher on some of my lower body days.