Why Train for Strength If Size Is Wanted?

[quote]Stronghold wrote:

[quote]Bricknyce wrote:

What does my nutrition coursework and RD credential have to do with anything in this thread? I’m not a “veteran” of shit, considering I’ve never formally competed in a sport and never went off to war.

I’m also one of the first people that admits I don’t know everything about everything. [/quote]

I don’t know what it has to do with anything, but seeing as how you bring it up in just about every thread that makes your beady little eyes tear up with rage, I figured I’d mention it too.

If you’re not a veteran of any sort, then do you admit that you have relatively little first hand knowledge of successful bodybuilding?

I ask this because it seem like the second anyone mentions ANYTHING that is more than half of a degree of freedom away from the program you outlined in your bodybuilding bible thread, you come tearing in and throw a tantrum because it doesn’t fit YOUR own paradigm of what training for bodybuilding “ought to be”.

The ultimate irony is that there are several people on this board with physiques far surpassing your own doughy smurfishness who train in some manner entirely opposite to what you say everyone is supposed to do (or else!)

For instance, Big M has stated repeatedly that at 280 something lbs, he has built the majority of his mass using ideas similar to Chad Waterbury’s. Or, we could talk about the MMA guy in this thread who displays a better build than your hardcore bodybuilding self. Explain that.

After all of the time you spent ranting about Poliquin’s insane ego on here and Facebook, I think its funny that you yourself are flying into Koresh-like fits of rage over someone disagreeing with you.[/quote]

Side note: Man, this post was vicious. Do you 2 have an ugly past or something?

[quote]its_just_me wrote:

[quote]Stronghold wrote:

[quote]its_just_me wrote:

I haven’t looked too much into the 5/3/1 program, to be honest.
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Right here is where you should have stopped commented. That’s the reason we have threads like this. A bunch of armchair experts who feel the need to comment on everything, regardless of how little actual experience they have.

[quote]its_just_me wrote:
It seems like a “cookie cut” program, in which case, it wouldn’t be completely relevant to a bodybuilder (a bodybuilder who evolves his routine to suit his needs).

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And you would be entirely wrong. It’s not a program, it’s a sensible method of progression that can be adapted to fit into just about any traditional training style. If you had the faintest clue as to what it was you were talking about, you would know that it is the farthest possible thing from “cookie cutter” and in fact, Jim has said this numerous times on this message board alone.[/quote]

Yeah oops, my mistake :slight_smile:

Hence why I put the “disclaimer” lol


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90% of your posts require a disclaimer. You post more nonsense than dankid does, tbh. You just try to agree with the people dankid disagrees with which leads to no one calling you out on your utter lack of experience. Parroting good info is just as bad as parroting bad info becuase eventually you are going to twist something and not realize it. You’ve done that before.

[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:

90% of your posts require a disclaimer. You post more nonsense than dankid does, tbh. You just try to agree with the people dankid disagrees with which leads to no one calling you out on your utter lack of experience. Parroting good info is just as bad as parroting bad info becuase eventually you are going to twist something and not realize it. You’ve done that before. [/quote]

What I so called “parrot”, is based on my own experience…what’s your problem? You still referring to my other post ages ago where I said you can build relative strength? lol

[quote]alit4 wrote:

[quote]Stronghold wrote:

[quote]alit4 wrote:

dude, this post seems very honest… and does you no favours at all. you really need to stop arguing with the big boys all the time, stop handing out advice, and focus on whatever it is you are trying to achieve.[/quote]

Can you please define for me who the “big boys” are?[/quote]

err… that would be the guys dankid is constantly arguing with?[/quote]

My point is that reading Dankid and Bricky argue over the most effective ways to look like a bodybuilder is entirely pointless because neither of them actually look.like.bodybuilders.

[quote]hungry4more wrote:

[quote]alit4 wrote:

[quote]Stronghold wrote:

[quote]alit4 wrote:

dude, this post seems very honest… and does you no favours at all. you really need to stop arguing with the big boys all the time, stop handing out advice, and focus on whatever it is you are trying to achieve.[/quote]

Can you please define for me who the “big boys” are?[/quote]

err… that would be the guys dankid is constantly arguing with?[/quote]

LOL.

dankid, hint: post less, read and lift more. Especially if you aren’t going to put up some stats/pics/vids so people will know how “legit” you are. [/quote]

You guys are wasting your breath. Dankid actually is deluded enough to think most people are agreeing with him. Between him and trextacy, you really have to wonder what the fuck is wrong with these guys.

[quote]Stronghold wrote:

[quote]alit4 wrote:

[quote]Stronghold wrote:

[quote]alit4 wrote:

dude, this post seems very honest… and does you no favours at all. you really need to stop arguing with the big boys all the time, stop handing out advice, and focus on whatever it is you are trying to achieve.[/quote]

Can you please define for me who the “big boys” are?[/quote]

err… that would be the guys dankid is constantly arguing with?[/quote]

My point is that reading Dankid and Bricky argue over the most effective ways to look like a bodybuilder is entirely pointless because neither of them actually look.like.bodybuilders.[/quote]

It is also pretty clear that you just have something against bricknyce and that isn’t helping this thread either.

Out of the two of them, bricknyce sure as hell makes the most sense. Why not rant away at people like trextacy who has no pics anywhere?

[quote]Stronghold wrote:

[quote]alit4 wrote:

[quote]Stronghold wrote:

[quote]alit4 wrote:

dude, this post seems very honest… and does you no favours at all. you really need to stop arguing with the big boys all the time, stop handing out advice, and focus on whatever it is you are trying to achieve.[/quote]

Can you please define for me who the “big boys” are?[/quote]

err… that would be the guys dankid is constantly arguing with?[/quote]

My point is that reading Dankid and Bricky argue over the most effective ways to look like a bodybuilder is entirely pointless because neither of them actually look.like.bodybuilders.[/quote]
agree totally, (though i didn’t know brick doesn’t look like a bodybuilder i just assumed he was because of the nature of his threads and posts). i was just trying to point out to dankid that just because he has such self belief, doesn’t qualify him to go running around the forums handing out contradictory advice left right and center, putting everybody’s backs up and turning every thresd into some massive clusterfuck and flame fest, when his own training history is all over the place.much better for him to concentrate on his own goals,achieve something impressive, and then come back and prove his point.

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]Stronghold wrote:

[quote]alit4 wrote:

[quote]Stronghold wrote:

[quote]alit4 wrote:

dude, this post seems very honest… and does you no favours at all. you really need to stop arguing with the big boys all the time, stop handing out advice, and focus on whatever it is you are trying to achieve.[/quote]

Can you please define for me who the “big boys” are?[/quote]

err… that would be the guys dankid is constantly arguing with?[/quote]

My point is that reading Dankid and Bricky argue over the most effective ways to look like a bodybuilder is entirely pointless because neither of them actually look.like.bodybuilders.[/quote]

It is also pretty clear that you just have something against bricknyce and that isn’t helping this thread either.

Out of the two of them, bricknyce sure as hell makes the most sense. Why not rant away at people like trextacy who has no pics anywhere?[/quote]

please, “rant away” at me.

EDIT- nevermind, deleted it, too much negativity on here w/o making it worse…although not sure what, specifically, you have a problem with.

Thanks X.

I find Stronghold’s posts to be rather humorous considering that NONE of my Facebook pictures depict a beady-eyed, Papa Smurf-life, DOUGHY person. It’s also wrong to think that my pictures on there show how I looked every year of my life. Besides, none of them are shirtless with the exception of one of my back that was taken five years ago. Plus, all on here have seen my face in my former avatar and some have seen several pics of my face through the years. I ask those who think I’ve EVER BEEN doughy to PM me and remind me when I was doughy or show me a pic in which I appear beady-eyed.

I don’t look like a bodybuilder NOW. That’s right. But SH’s posts humor me because I’ve put up pretty nice numbers in the gym, had a GOOD (not great) physique my whole life (whether bodybuilding or not) and at my biggest, oftentimes had strangers, friends, and acquaintances say, “You got huge”; “Do you compete, or are you going to?”; and “You work out a lot, right?”

And I only bring up my profession and my educational background when some jerkoff makes false or misleading or denigrating remarks about things (my profession and education) that they know little about and haven’t experienced or observed.

PM me with your name on FB, tough guy/stalker.

[quote]Professor X wrote:

It is also pretty clear that you just have something against bricknyce and that isn’t helping this thread either.

Out of the two of them, bricknyce sure as hell makes the most sense. Why not rant away at people like trextacy who has no pics anywhere?[/quote]

I really have nothing against Brick besides for his incessant ranting and illogical rambling.

I don’t call out trex or Dankid because no one takes them seriously to begin with, Brick on the other hand…

[quote]alit4 wrote:

(though i didn’t know brick doesn’t look like a bodybuilder i just assumed he was because of the nature of his threads and posts). [/quote]

He has “cred” because he regurgitates what he read in his extensive Dorian Yates collection and generally falls in line with what the proven members around here say. Credibility by association.

I also don’t ever recall ARGUING with Dankid. He’s the one who has a problem with me just putting my thoughts out there, all the while not realizing that I AM open and have experienced and read on other methods. He speaks as if I’m “against” 5-3-1 when in fact I own the darn e-book, along with Wendler’s other books - Three A Week and the Beginner’s EFS Guide.

I put a thought out there, and then DK comes on and asks, “What do you see as the ‘right’ programs?” I’ve said over and over and over that any sensible program is fine to experiment with and will yield body composition changes.

I also don’t give advice here. I’m not an online trainer or nutritionist on here. I share thoughts. Granted I write sarcastically or dictatorial sometimes. That’s a bad habit I’ve recognized and am trying to drop - similar to how some people speak too fast or loudly. I’ve even done it elsewhere and people have reminded me of it.

I’d also like a photo of me PMed to me in which I resemble anyone that would remind someone of Papa Smurf.

[quote]its_just_me wrote:

[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:

90% of your posts require a disclaimer. You post more nonsense than dankid does, tbh. You just try to agree with the people dankid disagrees with which leads to no one calling you out on your utter lack of experience. Parroting good info is just as bad as parroting bad info becuase eventually you are going to twist something and not realize it. You’ve done that before. [/quote]

What I so called “parrot”, is based on my own experience…what’s your problem? You still referring to my other post ages ago where I said you can build relative strength? lol[/quote]

No, there’s plenty more posts than just that one. And no, I’m not going to dig them up. I dont care THAT much

[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:

[quote]its_just_me wrote:

[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:

90% of your posts require a disclaimer. You post more nonsense than dankid does, tbh. You just try to agree with the people dankid disagrees with which leads to no one calling you out on your utter lack of experience. Parroting good info is just as bad as parroting bad info becuase eventually you are going to twist something and not realize it. You’ve done that before. [/quote]

What I so called “parrot”, is based on my own experience…what’s your problem? You still referring to my other post ages ago where I said you can build relative strength? lol[/quote]

No, there’s plenty more posts than just that one. And no, I’m not going to dig them up. I dont care THAT much[/quote]

You seem to “care enough” to slag me off every thread you see me in…

[quote]Stronghold wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

It is also pretty clear that you just have something against bricknyce and that isn’t helping this thread either.

Out of the two of them, bricknyce sure as hell makes the most sense. Why not rant away at people like trextacy who has no pics anywhere?[/quote]

I really have nothing against Brick besides for his incessant ranting and illogical rambling.

I don’t call out trex or Dankid because no one takes them seriously to begin with, Brick on the other hand…

[quote]alit4 wrote:

(though i didn’t know brick doesn’t look like a bodybuilder i just assumed he was because of the nature of his threads and posts). [/quote]

He has “cred” because he regurgitates what he read in his extensive Dorian Yates collection and generally falls in line with what the proven members around here say. Credibility by association.[/quote]

More false accusations and statements - I’m illogical and that all I know on exercise and nutrition is from one book and a few dated Dorian Yates columns in Flex from YEARS ago.

Very funny!

Please enlighten me oh wise one, bonez217, give us all your abundant knowledge of training since you’ve been doing it for decades…

And no, you’re not allowed to say anything that agrees or sounds remotely similar to any of the ‘vets’ on here…

Good question. I have always found heavy strength training with high volume ex 5x3 aand even low volume 3x3 is all that has gotten me big. Althought my priority is strength it is a nice side benefit. I do not know why this is either, the volume I guess? 
 But why don't high reps work for me? Like I visibly notice after doing high rep cycles I am drastically smaller, like after a month or two of doing high rep benches and my chest shoulders and tris looked noticably smaller, same with high rep squats. I do find high reps like high rep squats and deads are good for conditioning. At most if I ever do em, I go to 8 reps and usually they are cycled biweekly or triweekly to allow my body to back off from heavy training.  

And SH: What proven members do I go along with here? I don’t ask them permission when I make a thread or post. Some of them have even disliked and disagreed and corrected me on what I’ve written.

You got a problem with me - unfortunately (for me) it’s a problem you have with me ONLINE, not in person! You’re the one who decided to play detective with pictures of my face here and on FB.

It’s illegal to claim rights to my pics on FB, but you can have fun through PMs on here, through FB and private email with pics of me, none of which depict a “Papa Smurf” look-alike. Have at it. You can only do it for a few days because soon I’ll be adjusting my FB settings so that I don’t have jerkoffs defaming me with false statements.

[quote]its_just_me wrote:
Please enlighten me oh wise one, bonez217, give us all your abundant knowledge of training since you’ve been doing it for decades…

And no, you’re not allowed to say anything that agrees or sounds remotely similar to any of the ‘vets’ on here…[/quote]

The thing is I can back up every single thing I say. I’m not sure you can say the same. There are subtleties in your posts that show you what the right information is supposed to sound like but dont know exactly why certain things are more important than others. Believe me when I say that I’m not making it up. And I clearly don’t follow you around picking apart your posts or else my post count would be a bit higher. Just let it go.