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[quote]Sentoguy wrote:
JavaGuru,

Could you please explain what this sentence is supposed to mean:

“You can claim all you want, I’ve seen athletic non-martial arts trained guys level proclaimed “black belts” in secret XYZ art.”

Are you saying that the guys aren’t trained in the martial arts? If so, why the “black belts” remark? If they are trained in the martial arts, why say they are non-martial arts trained? Sorry, the sentence just didn’t make sense to me.

Also, as far as the example goes. I’ve seen guys who weight 145lbs and are truly highly skilled martial artists, man handle 250lb powerlifters. My instructor who weighs around 230 has tossed every big guy I’ve ever seen him work with around like a rag doll, and the vast majority of them lifted weights regularly.

As a result of my experiences I would also argue that it’s not necessarily purely a matter of size, it’s more of a matter of strength. As firefighter pointed out Bob Sapp has been beaten by guys considerably smaller than himself. The best Heavyweight in the UFC, Andre Arlovski, is not the biggest.

Yes, size can be an advantage, if all else is equal. However, I’d rather have superior strength to superior size anyday.

Good training,

Sentoguy[/quote]

It means, I’ve seen a linebacker friend of mine beat the crap out of a guy who claimed to be a third degree black belt. There is a reason combat sports have weight classes, a small guy is at a distinct disadvantage against a substantially larger guy.

I agree size isn’t everything. In high school my coach used to have me practice with the heavyweights, they had up to 50 lbs on me and were very strong but I consistantly beat them. I was quicker, just as strong and my technical skills were much better. However, even our best under 145 lb guys didn’t stand a chance against them.

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[quote]FireFighter1046 wrote:
JavaGuru wrote:
“A good big man beats a good little man every time.”

Force= Mass X acceleration.

You can’t change the laws of physics.

Take the #1 Fly weight boxer and put him in a ring with the last ranked heavy weight and see who wins.

You can claim all you want, I’ve seen athletic non-martial arts trained guys level proclaimed “black belts” in secret XYZ art. A 240lb linebacker landing a forearm to the side of your jaw is likely going to drop you for the count regardless of your “secret art.”
I guess you havent watched Bob Sapp get absolutely molested by little guys (100lb weight advantage) . He comes out looking good but his punches are slow and his gastank is small!
Anyways I probably came off the wrong way. When I read lifting I figured you guys ment Lifting for huge mass and a rock hard body. Fitness in any level will benefit all physically and mentally!
FF

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You’re missing the point. All things being equal the guy with a substantial size advantage will win. My other point was that certain athletes will have some “innate” skills transferable to fighting. Take a college linebacker, he’ll be aggressive, quick, strong and has spent years learning how to hit hard and knows what it’s like to be hit hard. When I first started training in Asian martial arts they were amazed at the power of my forearm strikes and how easily my technique developed. Finally, you have the “heart” equation, something you can’t learn. We had several 260+ pound guys on my high school team who never saw the field. They were strong and had the athletic skill, definitely the size, to be first team. “Morale is to the physical as ten is to one”-Napoleon Bonaparte

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Hi JavaGuru,

Ok, I understand where you are coming from now. However, I will still argue that while being an advantage, size doesn’t mean everything. Also, a third degree black belt does not a good fighter make (well, ok, I guess it also depends on what art the third degree black belt is in).

The 145lb guy who I was reffering to also used to routinely enter grappling competitions in the super heavyweight division (the advanced level bracket by the way) and place, if not win. He was going against guys who outweighed him by 100+lbs at times, and he would usually beat them.

The reason is that he was stronger than them, quicker, more skilled, or at times, just plain tougher. Now, grappling is a sport in which size and strength can play a huge role. But, superior size doesn’t always equate to superior strength.

I agree with you completely that a big, strong, aggessive, athletic guy who really wants to hurt you is indeed a formidable opponent, but, a truly skilled fighter will most likely beat him, most of the time.

Good training,

Sentoguy

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you train with marcelo garcia???

if not, who is it

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[quote]Fenris wrote:

Because I am a warrior. I have to be challenged physically and mentally everyday of my life, or I wither up and die.

Because my heart pumps acid through my veins, my skull bulges with unadulterated rage just looking at the weakened sheep around me, and my muscles quiver in anticipation of the torture that I am about to put them through…[/quote]

Right on.