60% carbs, 25% protein and 15% fat is the diet recommended by Mike Mentzer, if I remember correctly. I am not too far from these macros, as this diet works for me. I can’t speak for others, but note a recent preference for high protein diets. If it isn’t broken, don’t fix it. But, it seems a lot of people feel a need to eat differently. It all comes down to a variety of healthy food choices, but even that is being questioned by a minority. There is lots of emotion involved in food/diet.
To put it even simpler I quote Boyer Coe: “I would have eaten horseshit if it made me bigger”!
No, we’re not. Or at least I’m not. Darden is an amazing role model to me, but I can mention a dozen other coaches I also am inspired by. Why stick with one modality or stimulus, as your body adapts to it? There is an even worse dogma surrounding high volume training, as many narrow minded trainees seem to believe it’s the only way to train. It may look cool on paper, but in reality it’s just junk volume.
I appreciate the candor of your comment, but we have a litany of studies that show maximum effective protein intake for hypertrophy purposes is 1g/lb lean bodyweight.
It flies directly in the face of this “optimal” diet.
I don’t think there’s much, if any data, that can confidently state that too much protein is harmful.
Make a statement, that’s not really saying anything.
Respond only by dissing people trying to dissect said nonsense statement.
Never really discuss what YOU ACTUALLY KNOW, only what you perceive (i.e. assume) OTHERS DON’T KNOW — all while assuming a smug know-it-all attitude.
In other words, a lot of smoke, mirrors, and BS.
Dude, you shoulda been here 10-15 years ago if you really wanted to see some dogma.
Many of the remaining crew, have been-there and done that and worked through Mentzer, Darden, DC, Clay Hight, Dr Ken, and other permutations. We take what we like along the way and leave the rest. As far as dogma, I can think of only one guy — and his dogma is aerobics!
BTW, my routine looks a lot like yours. Been into a lot of the RP Strength stuff for months now, except I limit my exercises to 2 sets…unless it’s a peak week where I might do a 3-part Drop or Rest-Pause.
With the limit on protein and on carbs, are you effectively following a medical ketogenic diet, such that around 80% of your caloric intake is coming from fats?
A bit of a long story,no I try to keep fats as low as possible. I have a series of health issues that forced me to take a hard look at my diet and lifestyle.
Since 2006 I have been diagnosed with Crohn’s,Celiac,and gastroparesis. Recently CKD
So anything with gluten is out. With the gastroparesis the muscles in my stomach don’t always move like they should. So too much fat can really slow things down.
I have a theory that my Doc thinks is plausible. In 2006 I got viral
encephalitis. The brain swelling could have damaged my vagus nerve thus causing my stomach and digestive tract issues.
So I try for lower fats,and fiber. Carbs from fruit and other natural sources. No white sugar. Protein from grass fed mostly organic meats like chicken,turkey or bison. I will eat eggs and egg whites.
I might have a nutritional shake like Orgain in the morning. I try to eat smaller more frequent meals. I don’t always but I try.
Over time I sort of got a feel for adjusting my eating from day to day. So I don’t know the exact break downs of the macro’s but I have a good idea.
I kept a food diary for extended periods of time that I know what my options are.
I just turned 60. I don’t eat a lot of food like I did in the past. So it’s not that hard to make adjustments. If I eat smaller meals I try not to eat more than 25 grams of protein at a time. Slow and steady works the best.
I just want to be strong and fairly lean these days. Some walking and a few days a week of high intensity exercise works best for me.
Ill explain diet for you. .6-1 g/lb protein and then split the rest of the calories in whatever way you function and perform best. There is no one magic split that works for everyone. Some perform great on high carb some high fat. Quality food is more important that macro splits
If you cannot have high protein, you cannot have high carbs, and you keep fats as low as possible…that only leave alcohol as a macronutrient. I cannot imagine you are running off of that. ONE of these has to be the high macro, no?
I guess it depends on what one considers high but I understand what you are saying.
Like I said I do not count. I do not eat a lot of calories. I might be around 33% on everything. At my age I try to stay around 1750 calories a day. One thing with my protein intake is I drink about a gallon of water throughout the day. That keeps my kidneys happy so to speak. I’m not is a later stage to CKD. I want to stay that way.
If my activity level is higher I might eat more. There are times that I just don’t give a crap and blow everything out of the water.
While this might not be ideal for others it’s about me not being sick. I could be doing great for several months. Or it cold be a roller coaster of ups and downs.
One goal is to take the least amount of medication if I’m having a rough time health wise. OR stay out of the E.R.
If I’m not feeling well I might be forced to eat less. It’s about one day at a time.
I hope this helps you understand what I’m saying.
If your comment about alcohol refers to what some are saying it’s the “4th macro” I have not had any alcohol since 1991. One day at a time so to speak.
I’m not complaining. This is just what I do to take care of myself. If I stay on point I’m probably in better shape than most 60 year olds I know.
Within the context of the total nutrition. A 5’2 fitness model may only be eating 1400 calories compared to Brian Shaw’s 10000 a day during his peak strongman era, but if the former is getting 65% of those calories from carbs, I’d still consider that the “high” macro.
I’m delighted to hear about your sobriety. I’m a lifetime teetotaler myself. I brought up alcohol just because it was the only other possible option to backfill calories in the instance that the 3 primary macros were “low”.
You wrote you’re keeping fats as low as possible. For many males, needing to keep healthy hormones, that breaks down to about 50g a day. Assuming that’s your number, and you’re not supplementing with Flameout (which, you should: it’s awesome), that’s about 450 calories from fats. With a 1750 total, that leaves 1300 calories remaining. If you’re needing to keep protein low with CKD, would 80g a day be reasonable? About 320 calories, leaving 980 remaining, so about 245g of carbs? If that were the case, I’d call carbs the high source.
It’s in many of his books. You
… Wow, I’ve really been missing out then huh?