Interesting, are you Arab lol
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[quote]Varqanir wrote:
Persian Gulf or Arabian Gulf?
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Arabian…
Sea of Japan…
Manassas…
Civil War…
Neither. Wogball…
Cricket…
Terrorist…
Republic…
Chatrang…
More often than not.
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I’m not Iranian, by the way. [/quote]
No! Really?[/quote]
I’m going to close the door on my way out now, I’ll leave the light on…
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[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]Bismark wrote:
So…back to Iran and “WMDs”, speaking of which…
“Weapons of Mass Destruction” is politically constructed terminology that needs to die. Unconventional weapons are more accurately described as Chemical, Biological, Radiological, and Nuclear weapons, or CBRNs.
WMDs is a term that is far too emotive for fields that should be characterized by cold, calculating analysis. By using it, a normative judgement has been made regarding their morality and effectiveness both on the strategic and tactical levels, one that does not always find credence in positive reality. [/quote]
Again, sorry for the hijack.
But I never understood why people were generally okay with a government slaughtering its people with bullets and your run-of-the-mill bombs (starvation even in some cases), but as soon as a “chemical weapon” gets used, everyone is up in arms. I mean, dead innocents are dead innocents, why do people start to lose their mind dependent upon the weapon. [/quote]
No worries. You were engaged with a particularly formidable breed of imbecile.
Indeed. When initially used weapons of Mass Destruction was a term meant to scare the listener or reader. It’s a shame that it has entered into our everyday lexicons. In reality, chemical weapons are both relatively ineffective and inefficient. We shouldn’t be losing sleep over them.
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Correct me if I am wrong, but isn’t one of the sources of outrage over chemical weapons that they violate the Geneva Convention/Human Rights? I mean, aside from the absurdity of postulating that a dead person is less infringed upon than a different dead person because of the way he was killed.
I’ll also add that the general wisdom of being outraged at a developed contagious disease (biological weapon) is not so overrated–contagions are by definition uncontrollable and as such represent a putative threat to non-target regions/countries/states.
[quote]shorty_blitz wrote:
Interesting, are you Arab lol
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NO. However, from my earliest years I have had Christian Lebanese friends(granted they may have Phoenecian lineage too) and they are amongst my closest friends. I have a problem with Islamic culture of Shiite and Sunni. Regardless I don’t advocate any inhuman treatment of ANYONE. I discrimate on the grounds of culture NOT race.
To those that believe that Iran seeks the nuclear annihilation of Israel, do you also believe that al-Qaida seeks to destroy American society and values, that they indeed hate the West because of “our freedoms”?
[quote]Bismark wrote:
To those that believe that Iran seeks the nuclear annihilation of Israel, do you also believe that al-Qaida seeks to destroy American society and values, that they indeed hate the West because of “our freedoms”?[/quote]
I agree with Push…yes…among other things (like “freeing” the Holy Land on which Mecca stands of the Sunnis)…
You believe otherwise?
Mufasa
By the way:
“Hating us because of our Freedoms” is one of those phrases that doesn’t make a lot of sense to me (although it seems to be everywhere).
They hate us because that are “commanded” to in their Holy Scripture…along with eliminating both us and Israel.
Mufasa
[quote]Mufasa wrote:
[quote]Bismark wrote:
To those that believe that Iran seeks the nuclear annihilation of Israel, do you also believe that al-Qaida seeks to destroy American society and values, that they indeed hate the West because of “our freedoms”?[/quote]
I agree with Push…yes…among other things (like “freeing” the Holy Land on which Mecca stands of the Sunnis)…
You believe otherwise?
Mufasa[/quote]
Based on what exactly? Certainly not the communiques of al-Qaida itself. UBL explicitly stated on multiple occasions that those things were not part of his organizations agenda and repeatively complained that the West misunderstood the message that his terrorist attacks were meant to convey. The Bush administrations remarks in the aftermath of the September 11th attacks are a textbook example of Correspondent inference theory.
And the Agenda is what?
Mufasa
[quote]pushharder wrote:
[quote]Bismark wrote:
To those that believe that Iran seeks the nuclear annihilation of Israel, do you also believe that al-Qaida seeks to destroy American society and values, that they indeed hate the West because of “our freedoms”?[/quote]
Sure, among other things.[/quote]
Careful…Dubya said that (and OBL in as many words,) so it absolutely HAS to be wrong. I mean how how a Southern Christian be right about anything? Unlike a Kenya COmmie who trained as a ‘Community Organiser’ under Ccmmunist radicals who also supported his rise to power?
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And the Agenda is what?
Mufasa[/quote]
Simple. To paraphrase Ann Coulter, “we should invade their countries, kill their leaders, and convert them to Islam.”
http://blogs.timesofisrael.com/why-does-al-qaeda-hate-us-enmity-towards-infidels-is-a-must/
[quote]pushharder wrote:
OK, maybe they hate us because of our lack of freedom. Is that it?
If only we were “Islamisized” we could experience more freedom? Or a better kind of freedom?
Of maybe they hate us because they are truly evil – good ol’ fashioned, evil, malicious human beings that don’t need a reason to hate. They just do it because of the malignant growth in their souls.
I tend to go with the latter. For some reason.[/quote]
If the al-Qaeda lecture mentioned in the link I posted is to be taken at face value, then it would seem your first guess was the correct one.
[quote]SexMachine wrote:
[quote]pushharder wrote:
[quote]Bismark wrote:
To those that believe that Iran seeks the nuclear annihilation of Israel, do you also believe that al-Qaida seeks to destroy American society and values, that they indeed hate the West because of “our freedoms”?[/quote]
Sure, among other things.[/quote]
Careful…Dubya said that (and OBL in as many words,) so it absolutely HAS to be wrong. I mean how how a Southern Christian be right about anything? Unlike a Kenya COmmie who trained as a ‘Community Organiser’ under Ccmmunist radicals who also supported his rise to power?[/quote]
I’d love to see that UBL quote from a reputable source. The Bush administration inferred al-Qaida’s motivations for its war against the U.S. not by what UBL and his organization explicitly stated, but based upon the effects that his attacks had upon America. It’s a textbook example of correspondent intereference theory. (Correspondent inference theory - Wikipedia) What does W’s religion or geographic origin have to do with the discussion? It certainly didn’t handicap his father’s foreign policy. Obama? Ok…
[quote]Varqanir wrote:
[quote]Mufasa wrote:
And the Agenda is what?
Mufasa[/quote]
Simple. To paraphrase Ann Coulter, “we should invade their countries, kill their leaders, and convert them to Islam.”
http://blogs.timesofisrael.com/why-does-al-qaeda-hate-us-enmity-towards-infidels-is-a-must/[/quote]
To paraphrase somebody else, “With respect Mr. Wayne…some men just want to watch the world burn.”
[quote]Mufasa wrote:
[quote]Bismark wrote:
To those that believe that Iran seeks the nuclear annihilation of Israel, do you also believe that al-Qaida seeks to destroy American society and values, that they indeed hate the West because of “our freedoms”?[/quote]
I agree with Push…yes…among other things (like “freeing” the Holy Land on which Mecca stands of the Sunnis)…
You believe otherwise?
Mufasa[/quote]
Ummm, al-Qaida’s members are ultra conservative Sunni Muslims.