Why Iran Should Get the Bomb

[SexMachine]

[quote]Apoklyps wrote:

Is that to say that you believe that practitioners of fundamentalist Christianity are incapable of large-scale violence?
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I’m saying that Islamic fundamentalists have a history of egregious atrocities dating back to their prophet whereas Christian fundamentalists have no such history. On the contrary, as I have stated they led the abolitionist movement and promote family values, engage in charity work and promote the sacredness of human life. Only a profoundly dishonest or idiotic person would attempt to conflate the two.

Laughable to say the least. I would say that there’s plenty of historical evidence to the contrary. Undoubtedly, there are many who would even argue that recent or even current on-going examples exist.

Many idiots yes.

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Fundamentalism is an extremist philosophy by nature, and all forms of extremism are dangerous. There is always the risk that proponents will develop an attitude that their ideology is the one true way for everyone, an attitude which most certainly promotes conflict. Compounded to this are the isolationist tendencies of extremist groups. There are some interesting studies in social psychology that suggest links between groupthink and risky or extreme decision-making.

Finally, all of this is dependent on how you define “fundamentalist Christianity” or “fundamentalist Islam”. There are numerous North American cults, past and present, some with violent histories, who consider themselves to be fundamentalist Christians. Yet no Christian I know would consider them to be Christians. There are many moderate Muslims who would similarly denounce the ideology of Al Qaeda.[/quote]

I’m specifically talking about the Evangelical movement. And don’t give me this ‘moderate Muslim’ shit please. I’m just not interested.

[SexMachine]

[quote]Apoklyps wrote:

And stand for YOUR family values. How wonderfully solipsistic of you. Your clearly Western-centered mode of thinking is showing. I think you’re forgetting that not all of us grew up in the same culture, and may have been raised with a different set of family values.

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Then what are you doing here in my country? Go back to where you came from if you don’t like Western culture.

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Or is Western culture just that superior to that of us noble savages? #whitemansburden[/quote]

In short, yes.

[shorty_blitz]

Lol @ sexmachine, so full of anger. I only hope you use this fire in your belly for something good each day you wake up.

[shorty_blitz]

Your Ahmadinejad quotes make me yawn

[shorty_blitz]

Both chess and polo are thought of as Persian games by Iranians and Indian by Indians.

[SexMachine]

[quote]shorty_blitz wrote:
Both chess and polo are thought of as Persian games by Iranians and Indian by Indians. [/quote]

So Varquanir is Iranian?

[zecarlo]

If it’s not love then it’s the bomb that will bring us together.

[Kareem_Said]

I just want to mention that the most recent examples of Genocide were by Christian fundamentalists in Africa against Islamic tribes and other groups.

This idea that Islam is unique in its barbarism is false.

Poverty breeds extremism and if you look at the places where either Islamic or Christian fundamentalists exist it is always poor.

You might get the odd billionaire Bin Laden but the vast majority of the Jihadi and Christian militant groups are uneducated, poor men who look to religion to escape their plight. When Marx called religion the opiate of the masses people think Marx is just jibing at religion, but they don’t know the full quote:

“Religious suffering is, at one and the same time, the expression of real suffering and a protest against real suffering. Religion is the sigh of the oppressed creature, the heart of a heartless world, and the soul of soulless conditions. It is the opium of the people”

He sees religion as like heroin, an escape for people, he was not an anti theist as much as anti conditions that make people turn to religion to ease their pain in the here and now.

“The abolition of religion as the illusory happiness of the people is the demand for their real happiness. To call on them to give up their illusions about their condition is to call on them to give up a condition that requires illusions. The criticism of religion is, therefore, in embryo, the criticism of that vale of tears of which religion is the halo.
Criticism has plucked the imaginary flowers on the chain not in order that man shall continue to bear that chain without fantasy or consolation, but so that he shall throw off the chain and pluck the living flower. The criticism of religion disillusions man, so that he will think, act, and fashion his reality like a man who has discarded his illusions and regained his senses, so that he will move around himself as his own true Sun. Religion is only the illusory Sun which revolves around man as long as he does not revolve around himself”

[countingbeans]

Oh good lord. Marx was a self hating Jew that slacked on hygiene and pissed through his father’s money before his own postulating about utopian dreams that are at odds with nature’s unrelenting reality.

He was the occupy movement, doing what would be the equivalent of our times of blogging about the ills of the market and the evil of the western world and capitalism from his MacBook Pro while sipping his $5 latte from Starbucks, wearing a $200 pair of jeans his daddy bough for him…

[Kareem_Said]

[quote]countingbeans wrote:
Oh good lord. Marx was a self hating Jew that slacked on hygiene and pissed through his father’s money before his own postulating about utopian dreams that are at odds with nature’s unrelenting reality.

He was the occupy movement, doing what would be the equivalent of our times of blogging about the ills of the market and the evil of the western world and capitalism from his MacBook Pro while sipping his $5 latte from Starbucks, wearing a $200 pair of jeans his daddy bough for him…

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Self hating jew? Why is it whenever a person of jewish background is an atheist he is self hating. How was marx a jew is he was an atheist?

Or do you also like the nazi’s believe judaism is a race?

Also the occupy movement are middle class white kids with no jobs who want to reform the capitalist state. Karl marx advocated a stateless, moneyless society where the means of production were taken over by the workers who worked them.

Name one thing occupy and karl marx have in common? Or did you just say something really ignorant with no basis and nothing to back it up with. How refreshing.

[countingbeans]

[quote]Kareem Said wrote:
How was marx a jew is he was an atheist?[/quote]

I believe because his mother was jewish, therefore…

Or do you also like the nazi’s believe judaism is a race?

Lol, can’t have anyone speak out against MArx, so lets make Nazi inferences. Nice fallacy lmao

Also the occupy movement are middle class white kids with no jobs who want to reform the capitalist state.

SO was Marx generally speaking. lmao

Name one thing occupy and karl marx have in common?

Done that, and you just did It again for me.

Or did you just say something really ignorant with no basis and nothing to back it up with.

Nope. Sorry to burst your bubble, but your little icon Marx, was today’s equivalent of the unwashed, spoiled, entitled brats at occupy.

[Kareem_Said]

[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]Kareem Said wrote:
How was marx a jew is he was an atheist?[/quote]

I believe because his mother was jewish, therefore…

Or do you also like the nazi’s believe judaism is a race?

Lol, can’t have anyone speak out against MArx, so lets make Nazi inferences. Nice fallacy lmao

Also the occupy movement are middle class white kids with no jobs who want to reform the capitalist state.

SO was Marx generally speaking. lmao

Name one thing occupy and karl marx have in common?

Done that, and you just did It again for me.

Or did you just say something really ignorant with no basis and nothing to back it up with.

Nope. Sorry to burst your bubble, but your little icon Marx, was today’s equivalent of the unwashed, spoiled, entitled brats at occupy.
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Karl marx wanted to reform the capitalist state? Have you ever read a book?

If my mother was a democrat am I therefore a democrat? Being jewish is a matter of your own personal religious views, marx therefore was not a jew.

Karl marx gave up a life of well to do petit Bourgeoisie luxury to spend his days in abject poverty, wrote and got published books that analysed the until then not analysed capitalist mode of production and is read by all the greatest capitalist and socialist thinkers, is regarded as the joint most important economics book next to the wealth of nations.

But yeah you are right, karl marx was a middle class jew who wanted to reform the state and is totally comparable to occupy wall streetâ?¦…

Also for the record I am not a marxist and actually took the side of the left current which broke with marx, which are known as the Anarchists. But good try there. I see you have read lots on political theory and aren’t just saying things you have invested zero time in researching.

You win bro.

[countingbeans]

You can take up your concerns about the facts of the matter with the dude who wrote this:

New Ideas from Dead Economists: An Introduction to Modern Economic Thought:...

If I’m not mistaken, that is where I’ve read that I’ve said here on Marx in the last couple posts. I’m sure my edition is much older than this, and may have been revised in Contemporary America.

[zecarlo]

[quote]countingbeans wrote:
Oh good lord. Marx was a self hating Jew that slacked on hygiene and pissed through his father’s money before his own postulating about utopian dreams that are at odds with nature’s unrelenting reality.

He was the occupy movement, doing what would be the equivalent of our times of blogging about the ills of the market and the evil of the western world and capitalism from his MacBook Pro while sipping his $5 latte from Starbucks, wearing a $200 pair of jeans his daddy bough for him…

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I’m not defending Marx but this reads like some conservative undergrad blogger’s attempt at wit.

[countingbeans]

[quote]Kareem Said wrote:

Karl marx wanted to reform the capitalist state? Have you ever read a book?[/quote]

just lol. Can’t speak to the point, so attack who said it. Nice.

If my mother was a democrat am I therefore a democrat? Being jewish is a matter of your own personal religious views, marx therefore was not a jew.

Um… You might want pull back on the “youz iz da dumby” type fallacy if this is the train you want to ride on.

Karl marx gave up a life of well to do petit Bourgeoisie luxury to spend his days in abject poverty,

Right… In other words, pissed through daddies money

wrote and got published books that analysed the until then not analysed capitalist mode of production and is read by all the greatest capitalist and socialist thinkers, is regarded as the joint most important economics book next to the wealth of nations.

Right… Postulated about utopian dreams that are at odds with nature’s unrelenting reality.

But yeah you are right, karl marx was a middle class jew who wanted to reform the state and is totally comparable to occupy wall streetâ?¦…

I knew you’d come along.

Also for the record I am not a marxist and actually took the side of the left current which broke with marx, which are known as the Anarchists.

I don’t care about you.

[quote] I see you have read lots on political theory and aren’t just saying things you have invested zero time in researching.

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I see you’ve maintained this unmitigated arrogance that rings triumphant over nothing throughout your posts. Assumptive conjecture with a sprinkle of projection seem to be your posting MO.

[countingbeans]

[quote]zecarlo wrote:

[quote]countingbeans wrote:
Oh good lord. Marx was a self hating Jew that slacked on hygiene and pissed through his father’s money before his own postulating about utopian dreams that are at odds with nature’s unrelenting reality.

He was the occupy movement, doing what would be the equivalent of our times of blogging about the ills of the market and the evil of the western world and capitalism from his MacBook Pro while sipping his $5 latte from Starbucks, wearing a $200 pair of jeans his daddy bough for him…

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I’m not defending Marx but this reads like some conservative undergrad blogger’s attempt at wit. [/quote]

lol. Again. People can’t argue the point, so let’s bash who said it.

Sure fire stance.

[Kareem_Said]

[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]zecarlo wrote:

[quote]countingbeans wrote:
Oh good lord. Marx was a self hating Jew that slacked on hygiene and pissed through his father’s money before his own postulating about utopian dreams that are at odds with nature’s unrelenting reality.

He was the occupy movement, doing what would be the equivalent of our times of blogging about the ills of the market and the evil of the western world and capitalism from his MacBook Pro while sipping his $5 latte from Starbucks, wearing a $200 pair of jeans his daddy bough for him…

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I’m not defending Marx but this reads like some conservative undergrad blogger’s attempt at wit. [/quote]

lol. Again. People can’t argue the point, so let’s bash who said it.

Sure fire stance. [/quote]

Dude, you don’t respond to anything people say, you just say unrelenting reality. Try actually having a real debate instead of repeating words with no content.

OK so you said marx wanted to reform the state.

I am saying marx wanted to abolish the state, abolish nations and money. He didn’t believe in political parties or leaders but the working class coming together to seize the means of production.

He didn’t say it would happen now or 500 years from now, he believed it could happen from now till however long imperialism could expand.

So now let me hear why you think Marx wanted to reform the state.