Push, this is all politics. Wars, tyranny, lies, terrorism, I’m sorry to say but it’s just business.
[quote]pushharder wrote:
[quote]shorty_blitz wrote:
And while I’m at it, do you honestly believe they actually mean half of this shit they spew out?
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Yes, because of their vigorous support of terrorism. They put their money where their mouth is.
Anyone who believes differently is a fool, a Chamberlain-esque fool.
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[quote]pushharder wrote:
You’ve been eating some weird soup, my friend.[/quote]
Stew, actually. Tomato stew, with beef and vegetables.
No horse in it, whatsoever.
Somewhere out there an Iranian in a turban is saying exactly the same thing you just did, but directed at you. He is instilling fear in Palestinians, Lebanese, Iranians, Afghans, Iraqis, Syrians. He is saying that the U.S.has used the atomic bomb twice, he is saying that you’ve been the global bully blaa blaa, he’ll then make it into some religious nonsense to bolster it and make it more difficult for people to question.
It’s politics, don’t take it too personally my friend.
[quote]pushharder wrote:
[quote]Varqanir wrote:
But yes, given the prevalence of Christian Fundamentalists in the American government and military, I believe it is entirely accurate to say that Christian Fundamentalists do have the bomb.
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Sheer unadulterated nonsense. This IS something akin to what Pittttbulllll would say.
Christian fundamentalists do not structure US foreign policy in such a way to bring about the final battle against Gog and Magog; they merely teach to be prepared. Besides, most are premillenialists who believe Christians will be raptured seven years prior to that battle.
You memories and/or learning in this regard is faulty and it causes you to post concepts that border on ludicrous.
Bullshit. They support Israel because they believe the Jews are God’s chosen people. The other things are incidental and partially incorrect.
If Christians were hell bent on promoting Armageddon in an attempt rush along the Second Coming they would want to encourage the forces against Israel not discourage, don’t you think?
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George W. Bush was a dispensationalist who literally believed that he was acting as the hand of God, arraying the forces of good against the armies of Gog and Magog. He said as much to (an understandably flabbergasted) Charles Chirac in 2003. George may no longer have his finger on the “nookyular” button, but there are plenty of generals and admirals and senators who believe as he does. [/quote]
Ahhh…so Bush was a fundamentalist therefore Obama must be one too? And Obama’s Cabinet? And all these generals, admirals and senators are itching to use the bomb to force Christ to return to earth, huh? Sure thing, pal.
You’ve been eating some weird soup, my friend.
[quote]shorty_blitz wrote:
Those of you who think the Iranian government aren’t rational actors have completely underestimated them. These guys are some of the smartest political motherfuckers around. They didn’t come into power by accident, they played the Iranian population and will play with you as well.
The U.S.government along with its intelligence services know how smart these people are even if you don’t. They won’t make the same stupid mistakes Saddam or Gadaffi or any of the other despotic tyrants made.
@sexmachine that stuff you copy paste from the writings of Khomeini is ridiculed by the majority of the Iranian population, most of his books have been pulled off the shelves because they’re so full of shit.
When I tell you they are rational players, I don’t mean they are nice people and they want to lick your butt, I mean that they will not let you find a reason to stop them from doing what they want to achieve.[/quote]
Majority doesn’t mean shit in a totalitarian theocratic regime. Here’s what Ahmadinejad has said:
“They (the Western powers) launched the myth of the Holocaust. They lied, they put on a show and then they support the Jews.”
“It is obvious that the African countries must be plundered of their wealth and resources. The major powers and despots are behind the development of these diseases[AIDS] so they could then sell their drugs and medical equipment to the poor countries.”
“By using their imperialistic media network which is under the influence of colonialism they threaten anyone who questions the Holocaust and the September 11 event with sanctions and military actions,”
That’s just a taste of his lunacy. He believes that his main role after coming to power is to prepare the way for the return of a ninth century Imam who is in suspended animation inside a well in the city of Qum. AIDS was created by the US government to exterminate blacks. The holocaust is a ‘myth.’ And the ‘Zionist entity[Israel]’ must be annihilated.
The Obama administration is going to have the same amount of success stopping Iran from going nuclear that Clinton had in his attempt to stop North Korea going nuclear. Even if Iran doesn’t use the bomb, going nuclear will make them militarily untouchable and they will be able to step up their support of Hezbollah, Hamas, Palestinian Islamic Jihad etc. They may even grow bold enough to provide them with chemical/biological weapons. A nuclear Iran would be a nightmare for the whole world. They occupy one of the most strategic positions on earth and control access to the sealanes of 70% of the world’s oil.
“White House Exploring Ways to Let Iran Enrich Uranium”
[quote]Varqanir wrote:
[quote]shorty_blitz wrote:
he banned chess [/quote]
Considering that the Iranians invented the game of chess (the word “checkmate” comes from the Farsi name of the game, Shah Mat, “the king is defeated”) this is particularly ridiculous.
Would be like an ultraconservative fundamentalist Christian American president banning baseball. [/quote]
Actually the earliest form of chess was developed in the Indus valley at the time of the Gupta empire. It was called chaturanga and spread from there to Persia.
[quote]Varqanir wrote:
[quote]pushharder wrote:
[quote]Varqanir wrote:
[quote]pushharder wrote:
[quote]Varqanir wrote:
One group wants the bomb, the other group has it.
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Huh?[/quote]
I said, “one group wants the bomb, the other group has it.”
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I know you did but no comprende. Christian fundamentalists have the bomb?
Back away from the bottle. Please.
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Haven’t been near the bottle in weeks, more’s the pity.
But yes, given the prevalence of Christian Fundamentalists in the American government and military, I believe it is entirely accurate to say that Christian Fundamentalists do have the bomb.
I am referring specifically to the fundamentalist dispensationalists who fervently believe that the book of Revelation is an accurate predictor of the future, that we are living in the end times, and that US foreign policy should be structured in such a way to bring about the final battle against Gog and Magog.
These people are typically fervent supporters of Israel, not because they think the Jews are pretty nice guys, or they feel sorry for what happened to them during the thirties and forties, or even that Israel is a useful strategic wedge of influence in the Middle East. No, they support Israel because of Israel’s role in bringing about the second coming of Christ. The prediction that two-thirds of the world Jewish population will perish in the final battle is shrugged off as acceptable losses.
George W. Bush was a dispensationalist who literally believed that he was acting as the hand of God, arraying the forces of good against the armies of Gog and Magog. He said as much to (an understandably flabbergasted) Charles Chirac in 2003. George may no longer have his finger on the “nookyular” button, but there are plenty of generals and admirals and senators who believe as he does. [/quote]
Jacques Chirac. I’m guessing Dubya didn’t take nukes with him when he left office. So unless Benny Hinn has some up his sleeve I think it’s safe to assume that Christian fundamentalists do not have the bomb and we can all sleep safely.
[quote]SexMachine wrote:
[quote]Varqanir wrote:
[quote]pushharder wrote:
[quote]Varqanir wrote:
[quote]pushharder wrote:
[quote]Varqanir wrote:
One group wants the bomb, the other group has it.
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Huh?[/quote]
I said, “one group wants the bomb, the other group has it.”
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I know you did but no comprende. Christian fundamentalists have the bomb?
Back away from the bottle. Please.
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Haven’t been near the bottle in weeks, more’s the pity.
But yes, given the prevalence of Christian Fundamentalists in the American government and military, I believe it is entirely accurate to say that Christian Fundamentalists do have the bomb.
I am referring specifically to the fundamentalist dispensationalists who fervently believe that the book of Revelation is an accurate predictor of the future, that we are living in the end times, and that US foreign policy should be structured in such a way to bring about the final battle against Gog and Magog.
These people are typically fervent supporters of Israel, not because they think the Jews are pretty nice guys, or they feel sorry for what happened to them during the thirties and forties, or even that Israel is a useful strategic wedge of influence in the Middle East. No, they support Israel because of Israel’s role in bringing about the second coming of Christ. The prediction that two-thirds of the world Jewish population will perish in the final battle is shrugged off as acceptable losses.
George W. Bush was a dispensationalist who literally believed that he was acting as the hand of God, arraying the forces of good against the armies of Gog and Magog. He said as much to (an understandably flabbergasted) Charles Chirac in 2003. George may no longer have his finger on the “nookyular” button, but there are plenty of generals and admirals and senators who believe as he does. [/quote]
Jacques Chirac. I’m guessing Dubya didn’t take nukes with him when he left office. So unless Benny Hinn has some up his sleeve I think it’s safe to assume that Christian fundamentalists do not have the bomb and we can all sleep safely.[/quote]
I meant Jacques.
Yeah, I guess you’re right. Good thing Dubya was the only Christian Fundamentalist ever anywhere in the American government. I feel better already.
[quote]Varqanir wrote:
I meant Jacques.
Yeah, I guess you’re right. Good thing Dubya was the only Christian Fundamentalist ever anywhere in the American government. I feel better already. [/quote]
I’d much rather Dubya than a Kenyan Commie. And there is NO comparison between Christian fundamentalists and Islamo-Nazis. It was Christian fundamentalists who led the abolitionist movement. It’s Christian fundamentalists who lead the pro-life movement and stand for family values. Islamo-Nazis by contrast are blood thirsty lunatics.
[quote]SexMachine wrote:
And there is NO comparison between Christian fundamentalists and Islamo-Nazis.[/quote]
Is that to say that you believe that practitioners of fundamentalist Christianity are incapable of large-scale violence? Laughable to say the least. I would say that there’s plenty of historical evidence to the contrary. Undoubtedly, there are many who would even argue that recent or even current on-going examples exist.
Fundamentalism is an extremist philosophy by nature, and all forms of extremism are dangerous. There is always the risk that proponents will develop an attitude that their ideology is the one true way for everyone, an attitude which most certainly promotes conflict. Compounded to this are the isolationist tendencies of extremist groups. There are some interesting studies in social psychology that suggest links between groupthink and risky or extreme decision-making.
Finally, all of this is dependent on how you define “fundamentalist Christianity” or “fundamentalist Islam”. There are numerous North American cults, past and present, some with violent histories, who consider themselves to be fundamentalist Christians. Yet no Christian I know would consider them to be Christians. There are many moderate Muslims who would similarly denounce the ideology of Al Qaeda.
[quote]SexMachine wrote:
and stand for family values[/quote]
And stand for YOUR family values. How wonderfully solipsistic of you. Your clearly Western-centered mode of thinking is showing. I think you’re forgetting that not all of us grew up in the same culture, and may have been raised with a different set of family values.
Or is Western culture just that superior to that of us noble savages? #whitemansburden