[quote]blake2616 wrote:
The first person to rip a stop sign out of the ground wins this debate/bitchfest.[/quote]
Back at school we ripped a “no parking” sign out of the ground. Does that count?
[quote]Bricknyce wrote:
Buddy, most of the world isn’t losing sleep over not being HUUUUGE and gunnin’ for tree-hunnit lbs!
I’m certain the guy isn’t feeling insecure because he doesn’t bench 4-hunnit. There are a whole lot of other things that people worry about, especially these days.
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Just my opinion, but if you look at the top of this web page you’ll see this quote
“The Intelligent and Relentless Persuit of Muscle”
If getting big and strong isn’t a priority, you might be posting in the wrong place.
I stick up for both crowds: the guys that want to be fit and the guys who are gunnin’ ta be tree-hunnit pounds and bench faw-hunnit pounds.
I actually used to be a guy that wanted to get jacked, until I gave up bodybuilding about 6 months ago. Then I went on a general-fitness kick up until a few weeks ago. For some reason, I got the damn bug again to be big and strong and it looks like I just might be on that path again.
You can even check my old posts here and clearly see that I was no TBT guy or wanting general fitness. The highest bodyweight I reached was 250 pounds and I wasn’t really all that fat, just a bit chubby. I’m 5’10", so I consider that pretty darn thick! I still go to bodybuilding shows and powerlifting meets to watch. My best lifts were not all that impressive but I’m proud of them, considering I worked VERY VERY hard for them and I’m not a genetic phenom.
But I still have respect for any fitness goal. We live in a very stressful and busy age, and there was actually a time where I felt like I was going fucking insane while consuming 5,000+ calories, having a woman, attending the gym 4 to 5 times for maniacal workouts, and have a job. Some can do it peacefully, but I was really starting to feel signs of burnout.
Does this, my old routine, look like a fucking general-fitness program?
Day 1: Chest, bis
Incline flies
Incline dumbbell press
Pec-deck flies
Flat dumbbell bench press
Day 2: Legs
Calf raise
Seated calf raise
Glute-ham raise
Pullthroughs
Leg curls
Squats
Lunges
Leg extensions
Day 5: Off
Day 4: Shoulders, tris
Overhead press
Lateral raises
Machine lateral raises
Close-grip bench press
Skullcrushers
Tricep machine
Day 5: Off
Day 6: Back, abs
Chinups/pullups or Pulldowns
Dumbbell rows
Machine pullovers
Cable rows
Rear-delt raises
Reverse pec deck
Deadlift
Day 7: Off
Sets and reps: work up to 1 to 2 all-out blast sets a la Dorian Yates style; some static holds and negatives worked in on isolation exercises.
Now, I want to focus more on my career endeavors while still upping the ante A BIT in the gym, not as hardcore as before though. I’m not on a split routine. Actually, my current routine is a Westside/WS4SB inspired routine, incorporating max effort, speed work or plyos, and assistance/bodybuilding stuff and some mobility drills.
I was NOT sticking up for anyone in this forum, the OP included. Talk about my reasoning being flawed? It’s flawed reasoning to label a someone insecure because one doesn’t care for a particular goal or endeavor. It’s also not insecure to state dislike of something for respective reasons. Ever read a negative book or movie review? Does it being negative make the author insecure. Nope! If you don’t care for or are disgusted by or dislike something and you explain your respective reasons, it doesn’t make you insecure.
Your reasoning is similar to the lame crap people say in regards to homophobia or their dislike of practically anything. You hear people say shit like, “the reason that dude says he hates homos is because he secretly is one”, or “people are scared of what they don’t know about”. Again, flawed! I happen to have a homosexual best friend, so clearly I don’t hate homosexuals. But I do know some dudes that are straight who really, really are homophobic and it ain’t because they are closet homos!
Usually people are scared of what they DO know about, the reason being that they know what will happen if they fuck with something or someone. For example, I’m scared of crocodiles because I KNOW that if I come too close to one, I might turn into a meal. I’m scared of going 120 miles per hour on the highway because I don’t want to be fined for 200+ bucks or have an accident.
[quote]jstreet0204 wrote:
Bricknyce wrote:
Buddy, most of the world isn’t losing sleep over not being HUUUUGE and gunnin’ for tree-hunnit lbs!
I’m certain the guy isn’t feeling insecure because he doesn’t bench 4-hunnit. There are a whole lot of other things that people worry about, especially these days.
Just my opinion, but if you look at the top of this web page you’ll see this quote
“The Intelligent and Relentless Persuit of Muscle”
If getting big and strong isn’t a priority, you might be posting in the wrong place.[/quote]
But I am pursuing muscle and fitness. Where in this thread did I say I’m not. I’ve been involved in bodybuilding and fitness since age 16; I’m 29 now. I’m a registered dietitian and might have a fitness job lined up soon part-time. I have degrees in nutrition. This shit is my fucking life! I’ve attended powerlifting and bodybuilding shows for ten years. I have a whole library of books and magazines.
BUT, I DID say that most people don’t give a shit about this stuff and that the OP is particularly comfortable with not gunnin’ ta be tree-hunnit pounds or benchin’ faw-hunnit!
[quote]Bricknyce wrote:
BUT, I DID say that most people don’t give a shit about this stuff and that the OP is particularly comfortable with not gunnin’ ta be tree-hunnit pounds or benchin’ faw-hunnit! [/quote]
I was refering to these (MOST) people. If it isn’t their priority why take up space where it is supposed to be a priority.
[quote]Ramzy18 wrote:
FightinIrish26 wrote:
jstreet0204 wrote:
I never set out to bench 405 until I reached 315. 405 was a goal long before 500 was. 500 wasn’t a blip in the radar when I was 16 bencing 250.
I think this post is overlooked.
People who say “I don’t want to bench 405” are truly putting the cart before the horse.
No one would come out of college saying, “I NEVER want to be CEO.”
No one would ever say, “I NEVER want to drive a Ferrari.”
But they’ll do it with weightlifting. Strange.
Your analogy is flawed. There are little sacrifices one has to make when one is already a CEO or owning a Ferrari. But to be able to physically bench 405, an individual must sacrifice many things…
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You can’t possibly intend to be taken serious for this post.
No doubt, JStreet.
I think the original post has many good points. Goals are personal. However you must have short term goals like benching 225 if you have not yet. The long term goal 405? Saying you never want to is a little weird. The longer you lift the more attainable a long term goal should be. Your goals you set are good but what would be the next goals. Future oriented goals help to achieve short term goals!!!
[quote]LankyMofo wrote:
stringer wrote:
LankyMofo wrote:
If you can’t see the difference you’re a moron.
no need to be so harsh man.
This is not the first time brick has come into a thread sticking up for the general fitness crowd with flawed reasoning.
The funny thing is, I actually agree with him. I’m aware being huge is not a priority for everyone. If it’s not, just go to another damn website that isn’t for bodybuilding. For some reason, he doesn’t get this.[/quote]
It’s not a HUGE priority for me either. But I wouldn’t bother to create a thread about it, in a bodybuilding forum of all things, if I truly didn’t give a damn. At least he didn’t post it in strength sports (unless he did).
HE feels it’s important, hence why he wrote about it.
[quote]MytchBucanan wrote:
LankyMofo wrote:
stringer wrote:
LankyMofo wrote:
If you can’t see the difference you’re a moron.
no need to be so harsh man.
This is not the first time brick has come into a thread sticking up for the general fitness crowd with flawed reasoning.
The funny thing is, I actually agree with him. I’m aware being huge is not a priority for everyone. If it’s not, just go to another damn website that isn’t for bodybuilding. For some reason, he doesn’t get this.
It’s not a HUGE priority for me either. But I wouldn’t bother to create a thread about it, in a bodybuilding forum of all things, if I truly didn’t give a damn. At least he didn’t post it in strength sports (unless he did).[/quote]
Why I don’t want to bench 405: because I want to bench 406.
I think part of the problem that arises from this topic is HOW people define “bodybuilding”. If one defines it as building up the body to achieve ideal proportions and health, than there is much more latitude in deeming one a bodybuilder or not. On the other hand, if one defines it as getting as large as possible, using as many calories as possible, than that is a different matter.
To me, bodybuilding in its truest sense means sculpting the body to achieve an ideal physique (ideal varying, according to the individual). Weights are a means to an end; they are not the sole definition of a bodybuilder. A guy like Robby Robinson, to me, epitomizes bodybuilding when he talks about the weights being his “paint brushes” and his body the “canvas”. Benching 405 pounds neither defines him nor makes him any less or more of a bodybuilder.
Some of you guys chastising the original poster come off as extreme fundamentalists for what I can only term a very narrow definition of bodybuilding. If that is how you choose to define bodybuilding, fine. But know that the forum is titled “Bodybuilding Forum” not “Extreme Hardcore Bodybuilding” and that there exists a dichotomy in that.
To the original poster, I don’t take offense to him not wanting to bench 405, and it doesn’t make me foam at the mouth that he would dare post it on a bodybuilding forum. And to those that do take offense, my only point is to indicate that bodybuilding can (and used to) mean much more than what numbers you put up in the gym; it can mean sculpting the body to achieve the physical ideal you are after. And while there is a certain amount of size that must be achieved, lack of the absolute largest amount of size does not automatically make someone worthless and lazy for not considering the extreme end to be ideal.
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Im a few months away from 405. I just went from 3 boards down to 2 boards and it was a solid press to lockout so I was happy to get it. Hopefully in a month it will be 1 board and then 405 raw by 31 Dec. It was my only New Years rez.
Nice work man… what were you benching at the beginning of this?