Why Don't You Push Harder?

Injuries are different to everyone. Some people can push through and some people can not even handle being sore for more than a day. I tore the tendon off my knee and split it. That was in Sept, I was back at work and doing home workouts within three weeks. I just now started doing very light leg work. I have two torn rotator cuffs.

Not bragging, but like I said before, some people handle injuries better than others, you either have the will/want or you don’t. I have heard the excuses from my overweight and lazy co-workers, I can’t find time, oh when I work out my back hurts or my knees hurt, ah man, I don’t wanna go through what you do.

What they do not realize is that most of their pain is from a lazy, overweight lifestyle. I tell them, I work two jobs and have 4kids, but I make time because this is what I want. I wish people would just take more personal responsibility for where they are and how they look and quit making excuses.

[quote]sam_sneed wrote:

[quote]HolyMacaroni wrote:

[quote]dez6485 wrote:
My ultimate goal is to be about 230lb (5’9") and 10-12% bodyfat- nothing earth shattering. [/quote]

lol at this guy thinking 5’9, 230lbs @ 10% is ‘nothing earth shattering’

lemme know when you hit that[/quote]

I thought the same thing when I read that. Are there even any people on this site with those stats?[/quote]

Um sorry guys that my choice of wording wasn’t of your liking. Let me translate for you- nothing earth shattering = I’m not interested in being freaky lean or stepping on a stage (nothing against it, just not my goal). Nothing earth shattering = nothing we haven’t all seen before- we’ve all seen guys of average height at 230lbs, 10-12% bodyfat, right? They’re around. They’re not the biggest, or leanest guys you’ve ever seen, right? Didn’t change your life when you saw them, right? Therefore, didn’t shatter the fucking earth when you saw it, right?! Make sense now?

Did I ever fucking say that I was close to that goal, or that it would be easy? Or perhaps imply that it was average in any way?

Didn’t think so, so fuck off.

[quote]Lil J76 wrote:
Injuries are different to everyone. Some people can push through and some people can not even handle being sore for more than a day. I tore the tendon off my knee and split it. That was in Sept, I was back at work and doing home workouts within three weeks. I just now started doing very light leg work. I have two torn rotator cuffs.

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And some injuries are not meant to be pushed through. My knee surgeon works on NFL football players and collegiate athletes. If he tells me not to work through bad pain, I’m not going to ignore him so I can look hardcore to some people on the internet. I’ve only been cleared 2 weeks ago to return to normal leg training. That’s almost a year since my surgery. You were able to get back sooner, good for you. But to think everyone should recover from injuries at the same rate is bullshit.

[quote]dez6485 wrote:

[quote]sam_sneed wrote:

[quote]HolyMacaroni wrote:

[quote]dez6485 wrote:
My ultimate goal is to be about 230lb (5’9") and 10-12% bodyfat- nothing earth shattering. [/quote]

lol at this guy thinking 5’9, 230lbs @ 10% is ‘nothing earth shattering’

lemme know when you hit that[/quote]

I thought the same thing when I read that. Are there even any people on this site with those stats?[/quote]

Um sorry guys that my choice of wording wasn’t of your liking. Let me translate for you- nothing earth shattering = I’m not interested in being freaky lean or stepping on a stage (nothing against it, just not my goal). Nothing earth shattering = nothing we haven’t all seen before- we’ve all seen guys of average height at 230lbs, 10-12% bodyfat, right? They’re around. They’re not the biggest, or leanest guys you’ve ever seen, right? Didn’t change your life when you saw them, right? Therefore, didn’t shatter the fucking earth when you saw it, right?! Make sense now?

Did I ever fucking say that I was close to that goal, or that it would be easy? Or perhaps imply that it was average in any way?

Didn’t think so, so fuck off. [/quote]

[quote]sam_sneed wrote:

[quote]Lil J76 wrote:
Injuries are different to everyone. Some people can push through and some people can not even handle being sore for more than a day. I tore the tendon off my knee and split it. That was in Sept, I was back at work and doing home workouts within three weeks. I just now started doing very light leg work. I have two torn rotator cuffs.

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And some injuries are not meant to be pushed through. My knee surgeon works on NFL football players and collegiate athletes. If the tells me not to work through bad pain, I’m not going to ignore him so I can look hardcore to some people on the internet. I’ve only been cleared 2 weeks ago to return to normal leg training. That’s almost a year since my surgery. You were able to get back sooner, good for you. But to think everyone should recover from injuries at the same rate is bullshit.[/quote]
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WHO is writing that? He simply said “injuries”…to someone who has been injured pretty damned significantly. I was asking for him to expand on what happened because “injury” in and of itself does not mean you get knocked out the gym for years.

I mean, seriously, you are typing this like you are speaking to people who haven’t played sports before or who never got severely injured.

Hahahahaha I cant believe how many people rat on PX. Its like he’s some big guy who picks on people smaller than him, when all he does is state the obvious, relay it a thread or a post and gets insecure people, trying to come up with some excuse as to why he’s wrong, when the majority of the things he says are right. And even if theyre not, he sure does a good job of hiding it.

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]sam_sneed wrote:

[quote]Lil J76 wrote:
Injuries are different to everyone. Some people can push through and some people can not even handle being sore for more than a day. I tore the tendon off my knee and split it. That was in Sept, I was back at work and doing home workouts within three weeks. I just now started doing very light leg work. I have two torn rotator cuffs.

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And some injuries are not meant to be pushed through. My knee surgeon works on NFL football players and collegiate athletes. If the tells me not to work through bad pain, I’m not going to ignore him so I can look hardcore to some people on the internet. I’ve only been cleared 2 weeks ago to return to normal leg training. That’s almost a year since my surgery. You were able to get back sooner, good for you. But to think everyone should recover from injuries at the same rate is bullshit.[/quote]
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WHO is writing that? He simply said “injuries”…to someone who has been injured pretty damned significantly. I was asking for him to expand on what happened because “injury” in and of itself does not mean you get knocked out the gym for years.

I mean, seriously, you are typing this like you are speaking to people who haven’t played sports before or who never got severely injured.[/quote]

Right on X. Sam, I was simply stating that some people push through injuries quicker than others. I am not by any means saying that someone should further hurt themselves by ignoring an injury. I had surgery in Sept, I waited until my Dr said I could do any leg work. EVERY person is different on how they handle shit. The people I was targeting, are the people who do not know how to push through the simple shit or simple pain or soreness or whatever, they make f-ing excuses.

I’m pushing hard enough to be in the top 5% of guys in my gym, which places me well above average. I’m going to continue pushing for the rest of my life, and I might actually get to the top 1%.

However, being in the top .1% isn’t my goal, and never will be. I respect those with that kind of dedication, but it’s not on my radar screen. I have no desire to compete, and probably couldn’t at my age even if I wanted to.

I guess my point is that you don’t have to be in the top .1% in order to “push hard” as a bodybuilder.

[quote]Lil J76 wrote:

Right on X. Sam, I was simply stating that some people push through injuries quicker than others. I am not by any means saying that someone should further hurt themselves by ignoring an injury. I had surgery in Sept, I waited until my Dr said I could do any leg work. EVERY person is different on how they handle shit. The people I was targeting, are the people who do not know how to push through the simple shit or simple pain or soreness or whatever, they make f-ing excuses.
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I apologize for misinterpreting your post then. I saw you putting people into 2 categories. Those that had pushed through their injury and the rest are pussies. It’s a touchy topic for me because I know 1st hand surgery and recovery doesn’t always go as planned on paper and threads like these just remind me almost a year has been wasted away because of it.

Different happenings can be used differently by different people. It depends on how you view a scenario that determines how it affects you; whether that it constrains you or that it catapults you is simply based on how you take it. My injury, not exactly a bump on the noggin, worked as a catalyst for my efforts. My injury MADE me what i am today. It sparked something that erupted into a wildfire of passion and dedication.

To some, the term ‘Pushing Harder’ can create a strength that surpasses one’s self dictated amount (as we mentally are normally the biggest deciding factor when it comes to lifting heavier weights). But it also falls further than just that. ‘Pushing harder’ is what gets you up earlier to do morning cardio before your day begins.

‘Pushing harder’ is what drags you to the gym when all you want to do veg out. ‘Pushing harder’ makes you eat the way you need to (whether that be gorging ourselves to try and attempt to put on weight or nibbling on Plain, grilled chicken breast for the 3rd time that day).

And no, ‘Pushing Harder’ does not create some unbreakable, unfathomable power that will keep you blasting and gunning down every obstacle and object in your path because you will simply not allow yourself to NOT give 100%. We are humans. Life happens.

Shit builds up and eventually gets to the point where we need a break because there is just too much going on that we feel we are on the brink, overlooking a monstrous chasm, with our toes waning off the edge… ‘Pushing Harder’ is also the ability to come back from that, when your footing has become solid once more, and return to the endeavor of breaking down walls, pushing through limits, superseding expectations.

the injury/recovery debate is a touchy subject.

The issue of “some people push through injuries quicker than others” is bullshit. Some peoples bodies RECOVER faster than others. Saying that someone recovered from an injury slower than someone else is due to the fact that they didnt push through their pain is bullshit. Everyone is different and it could have absolutely nothing to do with pushing through anything.

[quote]gregron wrote:
the injury/recovery debate is a touchy subject.

The issue of “some people push through injuries quicker than others” is bullshit. Some peoples bodies RECOVER faster than others. Saying that someone recovered from an injury slower than someone else is due to the fact that they didnt push through their pain is bullshit. Everyone is different and it could have absolutely nothing to do with pushing through anything.[/quote]

Good God, no one is saying to train when injured in such a way that it worsens the fucking injury…however, if “i’m injured” is your response to not training hard when all you have is a fucked rotator cuff and have all other muscle groups intact, you are bullshitting.

How is it that needs this much explanation?

I was injured. I couldn’t train legs much at all for the last few months…but I did what I could and I had EVERY OTHER MUSCLE GROUP to worry about. Therefore, “I’m injured” only works if the injuries are so severe that they keep you out of the gym specifically and prevent you from training most of your muscle groups hard.

[quote]Bricknyce wrote:

I just read an interview today in the Wall Street Journal with the CEO of advertising and PR giant WPP. This guy doesn’t have weekends! His life is split between NYC and London, UK offices and sometimes his Friday nights are spent on a fucking plane, away from his family and kids! He was asked about exercise and diet. His main concerns: not getting fat and keeping healthy. He has three squares a day and a measly three hours of exercise per week that he manages to fit in a killer schedule and while managing one of the biggest advertising and PR companies in the WORLD! So his interest doesn’t lie in getting physically better and better.

Most people don’t earn a living by getting bigger and bigger, and they don’t attract friends, build a family, or get laid from getting bigger and bigger.

There are hot shot lawyers, financiers, ad execs, and doctors who put in sixteen hour days while havign a wife and kids. They might not understand why you can’t or aren’t willing to put in the work to get richer and richer, just like they don’t understand why you’re trying to get bigger and bigger.

If it’s important to you, then it’s important! But don’t act like some pompous ass because you buy a 50 buck gym membership and step in a gym. [/quote]

Great post.

[quote]dnlcdstn wrote:

[quote]Bricknyce wrote:

I just read an interview today in the Wall Street Journal with the CEO of advertising and PR giant WPP. This guy doesn’t have weekends! His life is split between NYC and London, UK offices and sometimes his Friday nights are spent on a fucking plane, away from his family and kids! He was asked about exercise and diet. His main concerns: not getting fat and keeping healthy. He has three squares a day and a measly three hours of exercise per week that he manages to fit in a killer schedule and while managing one of the biggest advertising and PR companies in the WORLD! So his interest doesn’t lie in getting physically better and better.

Most people don’t earn a living by getting bigger and bigger, and they don’t attract friends, build a family, or get laid from getting bigger and bigger.

There are hot shot lawyers, financiers, ad execs, and doctors who put in sixteen hour days while havign a wife and kids. They might not understand why you can’t or aren’t willing to put in the work to get richer and richer, just like they don’t understand why you’re trying to get bigger and bigger.

If it’s important to you, then it’s important! But don’t act like some pompous ass because you buy a 50 buck gym membership and step in a gym. [/quote]

Great post.

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…for another forum about another topic.

No offense, but if you aren’t into bodybuilding, please explain the point of logging into bodybuilding forums to tell us how much you are not into bodybuilding.

I refrain from posting in the bodybuilding forum because I have accomplished virtually nothing in the gym, but maybe I can add something to this thread.

I will differ from most people here (and I’m sure get flamed for it) in that I don’t think it’s as simple as “you either have it or you don’t”. I believe you can change. I was going to the gym for a long time and it is really fucking easy to make lifting weights a habit even when you stop making progress.

I made some typical beginner progress, working out became a habit, and those few months of progress prompted my gym visits years on end just because I got used to the process. I was always THINKING I saw a change, etc. etc… then the weeks become months, and the months become years, and you lose track of time. There’s always a reason you’ll be better with your training/diet next week than last week. Well, you just had that one birthday party and a work function, those are one-time things, from here on out you’ll be dedicated!

Also, one thing I think needs to be said to people who started bodybuilding before the internet: the grass is always greener on the other side. Whereas you would’ve killed to have so much information so easily, I can tell you it is WAY TOO EASY to get information now. To someone who doesn’t have any background in lifting, how can they tell what is horsehit and what isn’t? For the longest time, I’d read an article, it wouldn’t give me any results in 6 weeks, and in less than 30 seconds I’d have a brand new plan on my hands.

I did not make progress until I found these forums, where people who aren’t selling shit are saying what worked for them. I could lament the fact that I’ve wasted 4 years and been a fucking idiot for not being honest with myself. I could lament the fact it takes me a fuckload of calories (and therefore money) to grow, even at my undeveloped stage.

Or, I could be thankful I finally had the “no one who worries about getting a little soft ever makes any progress towards building mass” mantra beaten into my head by people like Prof X, be greatful I have put on 25lbs since Sept 1, and be excited that I didn’t waste ANOTHER 4 years in the gym.

To the original point - sometimes people don’t grow because sometimes they aren’t honest with themselves and DO NOT REALIZE they are being dishonest with themselves. I THOUGHT I saw month-to-month improvement. I really did. I was wrong. It takes REAL FUCKING PEOPLE like Prof X, Bonez, etc. etc. telling you that you’re an idiot.

I’d wager most newbs and casual lifters in this day and age get all their info from companies/trainers who are selling something (as opposed to talking to the big guys in your gym), and it is in those people’s best interest to NOT give you a brutally honest assessment of yourself. I don’t begrudge them for that; it’s business.

I now hit the gym 5/6 days a week with no excuses, eat well over 4,000 calories/day and over 350g protein. More importantly, I’m growing. Three years ago I doubt any serious gym-goer would think it possible I would ever be the least bit dedicated. Sometimes it just takes x amount of time with no progress to hit your saturation point.

Sorry for the long post, but obviously this thread hit close to home. Yea I’m pissed I wasted all that time but not much I can do about it now besides look forward.

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]gregron wrote:
the injury/recovery debate is a touchy subject.

The issue of “some people push through injuries quicker than others” is bullshit. Some peoples bodies RECOVER faster than others. Saying that someone recovered from an injury slower than someone else is due to the fact that they didnt push through their pain is bullshit. Everyone is different and it could have absolutely nothing to do with pushing through anything.[/quote]

Good God, no one is saying to train when injured in such a way that it worsens the fucking injury…however, if “i’m injured” is your response to not training hard when all you have is a fucked rotator cuff and have all other muscle groups intact, you are bullshitting.

How is it that needs this much explanation?

I was injured. I couldn’t train legs much at all for the last few months…but I did what I could and I had EVERY OTHER MUSCLE GROUP to worry about. Therefore, “I’m injured” only works if the injuries are so severe that they keep you out of the gym specifically and prevent you from training most of your muscle groups hard.[/quote]

that’s not what I’m talking about and thats not what the person who my post was addressing was talking about.

I was talking about the speed at which someone recovers from and injury isnt nessecarilly something that someone can control/‘push through’… Training/Not-training other bodyparts that arent affected by an injury has nothing to do with my post.

for as much as you call other people out for ‘reading comprehension fails’ or just making random things up… Your post has literally almost nothing to do with my post that you quoted and addressed.

You need to have the passion for this shit. If you are injured you make it work however you can… because you will be DYING to get back into action, IF you have the passion. Same thing with spinning your wheels for years and then all of a sudden realizing that you actually want to make this work (like the guy with dark pants bending over as his avatar was ranting about last page). Bullshit. If you truly had the drive and love for this it wouldn’t just creep up on you. If you are making zero progress for ages and are completely fine with it, I’m sorry but bodybuilding isn’t for you and you are probably better off just lifting for ‘health’ and to call yourself ‘fit’ (whatever the fuck that even means).

This shit has to be so ingrained into who you are you need to live and breathe it. To the point where you will not be making excuses simply becauses there is no one to make excuses to; you are doing this for your own love and not because someone says you should be training.

[quote]destroyedquads wrote:
You need to have the passion for this shit. If you are injured you make it work however you can… because you will be DYING to get back into action, IF you have the passion. Same thing with spinning your wheels for years and then all of a sudden realizing that you actually want to make this work (like the guy with dark pants bending over as his avatar was ranting about last page). Bullshit. If you truly had the drive and love for this it wouldn’t just creep up on you. If you are making zero progress for ages and are completely fine with it, I’m sorry but bodybuilding isn’t for you and you are probably better off just lifting for ‘health’ and to call yourself ‘fit’ (whatever the fuck that even means).

This shit has to be so ingrained into who you are you need to live and breathe it. To the point where you will not be making excuses simply becauses there is no one to make excuses to; you are doing this for your own love and not because someone says you should be training.[/quote]

I’m glad at 20yrs old you can make blanket statements about who can and can’t make this a lifelong commitment, while repeating in exactly the same words what 5-10 posters here have already said… very informative.

I was just trying to add another reason some people Don’t Push Harder (you know…the purpose of the thread). And how exactly was I ranting? I shared an experience I thought could add to the thread (and blamed no one but myself).

Original question -

We have the strength coach for a national level sports team working with us at the moment, he is 6’4 and weighs in around 270 at, what I would assume is around 13% body fat.

He told me I ‘blew up’ recently, and I think I had the best workout of my life that day.

And yes, it is as simple as 'some people have it and some people don't.' They are the same people that work jobs where there is no chance for advancement, and they are happy with that. They are the same people that make terrible excuses (I've heard them all) about exercise and diet. I have a 28 month old daughter, work opposite shifts of my family, and still work out 5x/week. 

If you keep telling yourself that you aren’t going to get somewhere, eventually your mind is going to believe it. If being massive is what you want, or if making a change in your field is what you want, do it.
I take a few minutes every day and picture myself where I am going to be next year. Nothing is going to make me stray from my goals. I am an awesome father, and a good friend. The people who say you can’t do both while doing everything else, wont.

Useless post by me is over.

I wish I didn’t injure myself setting a new deadlift PR 2 weeks ago. I’m dying to get back in the gym and thinking of doing so today. I still feel small but I’ve had all sorts of people comment on my gains including pro level natties. I don’t think much of it as I still feel small so I think they’re just being friendly and nice.

Oh and Prof don’t know when that Av was put up as I rarely leave the BOI anymore but looking good with your shoulders as you start leaning out.