Why Don't You Push Harder?

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[quote]Im_New_Feed_Me wrote:
Original question -

We have the strength coach for a national level sports team working with us at the moment, he is 6’4 and weighs in around 270 at, what I would assume is around 13% body fat.

He told me I ‘blew up’ recently, and I think I had the best workout of my life that day.

And yes, it is as simple as 'some people have it and some people don't.' They are the same people that work jobs where there is no chance for advancement, and they are happy with that. They are the same people that make terrible excuses (I've heard them all) about exercise and diet. I have a 28 month old daughter, work opposite shifts of my family, and still work out 5x/week.

If you keep telling yourself that you aren’t going to get somewhere, eventually your mind is going to believe it. If being massive is what you want, or if making a change in your field is what you want, do it.
I take a few minutes every day and picture myself where I am going to be next year. Nothing is going to make me stray from my goals. I am an awesome father, and a good friend. The people who say you can’t do both while doing everything else, wont.

Useless post by me is over.

Edit - I also workout on my own, and have for years. Nobody wants to put in the effort and I am not going to waste my time to find a partner who wants to work out for a few months before summer to get teh abs.[/quote]

Some have it, some don’t… I believe some who don’t have it can change.

If you told me three years ago I would be waking up at 6:30am every day (when I don’t have to leave till 8am) just so I had time to make/eat a big breakfast and blend two protein shakes, I would’ve said you’re insane and that shit is for weirdos.

Maybe I’m alone in that regard but I doubt it. I also don’t expect anyone to take what I say seriously until I hit some of my weight/mass goals, I mean shit, I wouldn’t take me seriously either yet. I have a lot of shit to learn but if I can convince one singular person on this board that it’s really NOT that hard to cook up 10lbs of meat on Sunday and wake up early enough for a good breakfast every day, that’s all I really want to accomplish and I don’t care who does/doesn’t believe me.

Will probably stop posting on this thread now, not many other ways I can say the same thing.

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[quote]gregron wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]gregron wrote:
the injury/recovery debate is a touchy subject.

The issue of “some people push through injuries quicker than others” is bullshit. Some peoples bodies RECOVER faster than others. Saying that someone recovered from an injury slower than someone else is due to the fact that they didnt push through their pain is bullshit. Everyone is different and it could have absolutely nothing to do with pushing through anything.[/quote]

Good God, no one is saying to train when injured in such a way that it worsens the fucking injury…however, if “i’m injured” is your response to not training hard when all you have is a fucked rotator cuff and have all other muscle groups intact, you are bullshitting.

How is it that needs this much explanation?

I was injured. I couldn’t train legs much at all for the last few months…but I did what I could and I had EVERY OTHER MUSCLE GROUP to worry about. Therefore, “I’m injured” only works if the injuries are so severe that they keep you out of the gym specifically and prevent you from training most of your muscle groups hard.[/quote]

that’s not what I’m talking about and thats not what the person who my post was addressing was talking about.

I was talking about the speed at which someone recovers from and injury isnt nessecarilly something that someone can control/‘push through’… Training/Not-training other bodyparts that arent affected by an injury has nothing to do with my post.

for as much as you call other people out for ‘reading comprehension fails’ or just making random things up… Your post has literally almost nothing to do with my post that you quoted and addressed. [/quote]

I didn’t misunderstand you at all. It IS about pushing through injuries…INTELLIGENTLY. That doesn’t mean fuck yourself up more when injured. It means, just like with my injury, I still trained legs when I could with as much weight until I felt pain that indicated I should stop. That is “pushing through an injury”.

Otherwise, the alternative is sit at home waiting to heal which is NOT how you get big.

What really big bodybuilder do you know of who literally quit training altogether for several months because they had an injury?

Zack Khan just fucked his legs up…do you really think he hasn’t trained legs since then at all?

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[quote]scj119 wrote:

[quote]Im_New_Feed_Me wrote:
Original question -

We have the strength coach for a national level sports team working with us at the moment, he is 6’4 and weighs in around 270 at, what I would assume is around 13% body fat.

He told me I ‘blew up’ recently, and I think I had the best workout of my life that day.

And yes, it is as simple as 'some people have it and some people don't.' They are the same people that work jobs where there is no chance for advancement, and they are happy with that. They are the same people that make terrible excuses (I've heard them all) about exercise and diet. I have a 28 month old daughter, work opposite shifts of my family, and still work out 5x/week.

If you keep telling yourself that you aren’t going to get somewhere, eventually your mind is going to believe it. If being massive is what you want, or if making a change in your field is what you want, do it.
I take a few minutes every day and picture myself where I am going to be next year. Nothing is going to make me stray from my goals. I am an awesome father, and a good friend. The people who say you can’t do both while doing everything else, wont.

Useless post by me is over.

Edit - I also workout on my own, and have for years. Nobody wants to put in the effort and I am not going to waste my time to find a partner who wants to work out for a few months before summer to get teh abs.[/quote]

Some have it, some don’t… I believe some who don’t have it can change.

If you told me three years ago I would be waking up at 6:30am every day (when I don’t have to leave till 8am) just so I had time to make/eat a big breakfast and blend two protein shakes, I would’ve said you’re insane and that shit is for weirdos.

Maybe I’m alone in that regard but I doubt it. I also don’t expect anyone to take what I say seriously until I hit some of my weight/mass goals, I mean shit, I wouldn’t take me seriously either yet. I have a lot of shit to learn but if I can convince one singular person on this board that it’s really NOT that hard to cook up 10lbs of meat on Sunday and wake up early enough for a good breakfast every day, that’s all I really want to accomplish and I don’t care who does/doesn’t believe me.

Will probably stop posting on this thread now, not many other ways I can say the same thing.
[/quote]

No, I agree.

For you to do that shit, you ARE a driven person. You just didn’t have these goals at that time. I can tell within 10 minutes of an initial interview if a client is going to be a success or not. It doesn’t mean that I don’t try to make everyone succeed, but you know when someone overweight walks through the door and WANTS to change, and someone who walks through the door because it Jan.1st, and joining a ‘class’ would be good. My most successful clients are entrepreneurs, doctors, successful musicians, lawyers - they know what to do to get themselves to a certain level and have done it in their professional lives, so they are prepared to make the change in their physical lives. The people who doodly-fucking-do through their lives aren’t going to magically change everything and become the best.

I know that doesn’t have too much to do with bb’ing, but my guess is that you will rarely see a big fucking guy that doesn’t excel in most everything else in his/her life. If you want to be the best, you want to be the fucking best are more than just ‘picking things up and putting them down’ as PF says.

My opinion, whatever it is worth.

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[quote]scj119 wrote:

[quote]destroyedquads wrote:
You need to have the passion for this shit. If you are injured you make it work however you can… because you will be DYING to get back into action, IF you have the passion. Same thing with spinning your wheels for years and then all of a sudden realizing that you actually want to make this work (like the guy with dark pants bending over as his avatar was ranting about last page). Bullshit. If you truly had the drive and love for this it wouldn’t just creep up on you. If you are making zero progress for ages and are completely fine with it, I’m sorry but bodybuilding isn’t for you and you are probably better off just lifting for ‘health’ and to call yourself ‘fit’ (whatever the fuck that even means).

This shit has to be so ingrained into who you are you need to live and breathe it. To the point where you will not be making excuses simply becauses there is no one to make excuses to; you are doing this for your own love and not because someone says you should be training.[/quote]

I’m glad at 20yrs old you can make blanket statements about who can and can’t make this a lifelong commitment, while repeating in exactly the same words what 5-10 posters here have already said… very informative.

I was just trying to add another reason some people Don’t Push Harder (you know…the purpose of the thread). And how exactly was I ranting? I shared an experience I thought could add to the thread (and blamed no one but myself).[/quote]

  1. How do you know I am 20? Does it say so in my profile? I don’t think I ever put my age up there… weird, because that is my actual age.

  2. I don’t know if you are offended, but, that wasn’t my intention. I am just calling it how I see it. It’s your life and if you truly believe this is for you then great. I just haven’t seen many truly huge people who got that way by taking their sweet time. Most of the ones I have seen/spoken to clawed and fought their way to add more and more weight to both the bar and to the scale. It is a traight that you see from someone’s eyes.

Good luck in your endeavors.

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[quote]Im_New_Feed_Me wrote:

[quote]scj119 wrote:

[quote]Im_New_Feed_Me wrote:
Original question -

We have the strength coach for a national level sports team working with us at the moment, he is 6’4 and weighs in around 270 at, what I would assume is around 13% body fat.

He told me I ‘blew up’ recently, and I think I had the best workout of my life that day.

And yes, it is as simple as 'some people have it and some people don't.' They are the same people that work jobs where there is no chance for advancement, and they are happy with that. They are the same people that make terrible excuses (I've heard them all) about exercise and diet. I have a 28 month old daughter, work opposite shifts of my family, and still work out 5x/week.

If you keep telling yourself that you aren’t going to get somewhere, eventually your mind is going to believe it. If being massive is what you want, or if making a change in your field is what you want, do it.
I take a few minutes every day and picture myself where I am going to be next year. Nothing is going to make me stray from my goals. I am an awesome father, and a good friend. The people who say you can’t do both while doing everything else, wont.

Useless post by me is over.

Edit - I also workout on my own, and have for years. Nobody wants to put in the effort and I am not going to waste my time to find a partner who wants to work out for a few months before summer to get teh abs.[/quote]

Some have it, some don’t… I believe some who don’t have it can change.

If you told me three years ago I would be waking up at 6:30am every day (when I don’t have to leave till 8am) just so I had time to make/eat a big breakfast and blend two protein shakes, I would’ve said you’re insane and that shit is for weirdos.

Maybe I’m alone in that regard but I doubt it. I also don’t expect anyone to take what I say seriously until I hit some of my weight/mass goals, I mean shit, I wouldn’t take me seriously either yet. I have a lot of shit to learn but if I can convince one singular person on this board that it’s really NOT that hard to cook up 10lbs of meat on Sunday and wake up early enough for a good breakfast every day, that’s all I really want to accomplish and I don’t care who does/doesn’t believe me.

Will probably stop posting on this thread now, not many other ways I can say the same thing.
[/quote]

No, I agree.

For you to do that shit, you ARE a driven person. You just didn’t have these goals at that time. I can tell within 10 minutes of an initial interview if a client is going to be a success or not. It doesn’t mean that I don’t try to make everyone succeed, but you know when someone overweight walks through the door and WANTS to change, and someone who walks through the door because it Jan.1st, and joining a ‘class’ would be good. My most successful clients are entrepreneurs, doctors, successful musicians, lawyers - they know what to do to get themselves to a certain level and have done it in their professional lives, so they are prepared to make the change in their physical lives. The people who doodly-fucking-do through their lives aren’t going to magically change everything and become the best.

I know that doesn’t have too much to do with bb’ing, but my guess is that you will rarely see a big fucking guy that doesn’t excel in most everything else in his/her life. If you want to be the best, you want to be the fucking best are more than just ‘picking things up and putting them down’ as PF says.

My opinion, whatever it is worth. [/quote]

Good post…and you are right and we see the same things here. The problem is the stereotype that the guy who is that big and strong is somehow a dumbass…like the guy who assumed there were no doctors and lawyers in this forum simply because the goal was to get big muscles.

The guy who can push that hard to attain a physique like that while also reaching a higher level of financial income, education or career that few others ever reach is the real bad mutherfucker.

But how many people can claim that? I doubt most of the people talking about how they don’t have the drive in the gym are pushing that hard in other areas of their lives. It isn’t like you become a hardworker in the gym and then become a slouch everywhere else. Only pro bodybuilders with no jobs get to do that…and there are only about 10 of those.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]gregron wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]gregron wrote:
the injury/recovery debate is a touchy subject.

The issue of “some people push through injuries quicker than others” is bullshit. Some peoples bodies RECOVER faster than others. Saying that someone recovered from an injury slower than someone else is due to the fact that they didnt push through their pain is bullshit. Everyone is different and it could have absolutely nothing to do with pushing through anything.[/quote]

Good God, no one is saying to train when injured in such a way that it worsens the fucking injury…however, if “i’m injured” is your response to not training hard when all you have is a fucked rotator cuff and have all other muscle groups intact, you are bullshitting.

How is it that needs this much explanation?

I was injured. I couldn’t train legs much at all for the last few months…but I did what I could and I had EVERY OTHER MUSCLE GROUP to worry about. Therefore, “I’m injured” only works if the injuries are so severe that they keep you out of the gym specifically and prevent you from training most of your muscle groups hard.[/quote]

that’s not what I’m talking about and thats not what the person who my post was addressing was talking about.

I was talking about the speed at which someone recovers from and injury isnt nessecarilly something that someone can control/‘push through’… Training/Not-training other bodyparts that arent affected by an injury has nothing to do with my post.

for as much as you call other people out for ‘reading comprehension fails’ or just making random things up… Your post has literally almost nothing to do with my post that you quoted and addressed. [/quote]

I didn’t misunderstand you at all. It IS about pushing through injuries…INTELLIGENTLY. That doesn’t mean fuck yourself up more when injured. It means, just like with my injury, I still trained legs when I could with as much weight until I felt pain that indicated I should stop. That is “pushing through an injury”.

Otherwise, the alternative is sit at home waiting to heal which is NOT how you get big.

What really big bodybuilder do you know of who literally quit training altogether for several months because they had an injury?

Zack Khan just fucked his legs up…do you really think he hasn’t trained legs since then at all?[/quote]

We are still talking about two different things. I never once said that if you have an injury but can train around it that you shouldnt. I fully agree that you should.

I think that our thoughts on ‘injury’ might be a little bit different.

Just to clarify, when I’m thinking injury, I think about a torn ACL or MCL. Or, in my own case, a torn labrum which required surgery and me to be in a sling for 6 weeks straight. thats the kind of ‘injury’ I am talking about. I’m not talking about a strained muscle.

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[quote]gregron wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]gregron wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]gregron wrote:
the injury/recovery debate is a touchy subject.

The issue of “some people push through injuries quicker than others” is bullshit. Some peoples bodies RECOVER faster than others. Saying that someone recovered from an injury slower than someone else is due to the fact that they didnt push through their pain is bullshit. Everyone is different and it could have absolutely nothing to do with pushing through anything.[/quote]

Good God, no one is saying to train when injured in such a way that it worsens the fucking injury…however, if “i’m injured” is your response to not training hard when all you have is a fucked rotator cuff and have all other muscle groups intact, you are bullshitting.

How is it that needs this much explanation?

I was injured. I couldn’t train legs much at all for the last few months…but I did what I could and I had EVERY OTHER MUSCLE GROUP to worry about. Therefore, “I’m injured” only works if the injuries are so severe that they keep you out of the gym specifically and prevent you from training most of your muscle groups hard.[/quote]

that’s not what I’m talking about and thats not what the person who my post was addressing was talking about.

I was talking about the speed at which someone recovers from and injury isnt nessecarilly something that someone can control/‘push through’… Training/Not-training other bodyparts that arent affected by an injury has nothing to do with my post.

for as much as you call other people out for ‘reading comprehension fails’ or just making random things up… Your post has literally almost nothing to do with my post that you quoted and addressed. [/quote]

I didn’t misunderstand you at all. It IS about pushing through injuries…INTELLIGENTLY. That doesn’t mean fuck yourself up more when injured. It means, just like with my injury, I still trained legs when I could with as much weight until I felt pain that indicated I should stop. That is “pushing through an injury”.

Otherwise, the alternative is sit at home waiting to heal which is NOT how you get big.

What really big bodybuilder do you know of who literally quit training altogether for several months because they had an injury?

Zack Khan just fucked his legs up…do you really think he hasn’t trained legs since then at all?[/quote]

We are still talking about two different things. I never once said that if you have an injury but can train around it that you shouldnt. I fully agree that you should.

I think that our thoughts on ‘injury’ might be a little bit different.

Just to clarify, when I’m thinking injury, I think about a torn ACL or MCL. Or, in my own case, a torn labrum which required surgery and me to be in a sling for 6 weeks straight. thats the kind of ‘injury’ I am talking about. I’m not talking about a strained muscle.[/quote]

Dude, I had a FRACTURE in my upper arm. ANY movement in the incline plane caused severe, tear forming pain. I still trained shoulders as best I could.

I think you are arguing semantics. The guy who isn’t smart enough to train through an injury intelligently won’t be lifting for long anyway…and the guy who literally drops out the gym when they could train around an injury won’t be either.

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[quote]gregron wrote:
I never once said that if you have an injury but can train around it that you shouldnt. I fully agree that you should.
[/quote]

I’ll quote myself here cause I’m not sure if you read it or not.

[quote]Professor X wrote:
I think you are arguing semantics. [/quote]
I would say the same thing about you lol

I agree.

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[quote]Enders Drift wrote:
I wish I didn’t injure myself setting a new deadlift PR 2 weeks ago. I’m dying to get back in the gym and thinking of doing so today. I still feel small but I’ve had all sorts of people comment on my gains including pro level natties. I don’t think much of it as I still feel small so I think they’re just being friendly and nice.

Oh and Prof don’t know when that Av was put up as I rarely leave the BOI anymore but looking good with your shoulders as you start leaning out.[/quote]

Thanks…but the reality is, I am just getting started and haven’t even added cardio yet.

I was talking to one guy last night who says he can get contest ready from about 15% body fat in about two months…but the last time he dieted down, he lost a ton of muscle and fullness.

I am taking it slower because of that.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
That’s all well and good, meat…but if that is the case, why is it during topics like the one we just had on the effectiveness of the bench press as far as building a HUGE chest, do we get so many people responding if so few actually will put forth the effort to ever get that far?

Because a passing interest in something doesn’t equal dedication to it. That and the only thing required to post is the having of an opinion no matter how off-beat it is.

I think that some people are also interested in training until they see what all it costs to achieve excellence. Again, these people will post away, seeking knowledge, though they may not always use it. It was also mentioned already that some people just don’t have the bodybuilding portion of training in their plans. I know Prof. X is a bit territorial about the BB boards, but solid knowledge is valuable to us all no matter where it happens to be posted. I currently train with another individual from my SRT team. He’s the smaller guy who fits into the tight spaces some of us can’t get through. His role in his job is more valuable to him than becoming as huge as possible, but basic self-preservation and pride make him want to be as strong as possible within his current size. Does that make him less hard core?
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[quote]maraudermeat wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:
That’s all well and good, meat…but if that is the case, why is it during topics like the one we just had on the effectiveness of the bench press as far as building a HUGE chest, do we get so many people responding if so few actually will put forth the effort to ever get that far?

Here’s my hope…that the guys who do “have it”, like the ones I’ve mentioned along with others like Vinnie, or some of the new guys in the T-Cell, that their progress won’t be held back by people who talk way more than they act.
[/quote]

there’s a big difference between knowing what you have to do and actually doing it. plus as you’ve said many times, you need to find what works for you and do that. unfortunately most will never go to all the trouble to actually find what works for them.

everyone has a voice on the internet. it’s just a matter of being smart enough to know who to listen to. as long as this is a site where anyone can post, you will have those issues. I post on a site that doesn’t allow people to post any advice until they’ve proven themselves worthy of doing so. they have to provide proof of their accomplishments, phsique and/ or strength to give advice. their “credentials” are placed under their avatars such as “strenght proven” or physique proven" stuff like that. [/quote]

Care to pass along that site address?

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I can not figure out how to start a post so I wanted some advice. I will start cancer treatment (33 radiation and 3 separate chemos) for neck cancer on 2/2. I have been powerlifting/bodybuilding for forty years (56 years old.) I wanted everyone’s advice on working-out during the treatments and the nutrition that will be liquid through the mouth or through a feeding tube. I will try a 3x5 2to 3 days a week and if I can not lift much I may do the century (100 reps) workout for light weight. Please advise…

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[quote]adamson091654 wrote:
I can not figure out how to start a post so I wanted some advice. I will start cancer treatment (33 radiation and 3 separate chemos) for neck cancer on 2/2. I have been powerlifting/bodybuilding for forty years (56 years old.) I wanted everyone’s advice on working-out during the treatments and the nutrition that will be liquid through the mouth or through a feeding tube. I will try a 3x5 2to 3 days a week and if I can not lift much I may do the century (100 reps) workout for light weight. Please advise…[/quote]

I would say take it easy. This is one “injury” where staying at home may be best…but only because you WILL feel weaker after the treatment and it will take much of your body’s resources to make up for that. The good thing is, guys like you often see much quicker recoveries after it is all said and done and you lose less overall.

For this instance, take it slow, and don’t push yourself beyond your limits.

Good luck and let us know how you do.

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[quote]gregron wrote:

We are still talking about two different things. I never once said that if you have an injury but can train around it that you shouldnt. I fully agree that you should.
[/quote]

You are talking about 2 different things. Nobody said in this thread that they didn’t train around injuries… I said I didn’t train my legs do to my surgeon’s and physical therapists orders but I did train everything else. I don’t know where he got the idea of people not training AT ALL due to an injury. I didn’t read that anywhere.

[quote]
Just to clarify, when I’m thinking injury, I think about a torn ACL or MCL. Or, in my own case, a torn labrum which required surgery and me to be in a sling for 6 weeks straight. thats the kind of ‘injury’ I am talking about. I’m not talking about a strained muscle.[/quote]

I went from 240ish to 220ish in the 4 weeks after my surgery while my leg was in a brace. My bench went from 335 to 265. Major surgeries affect your whole body and no matter whether you push through them or not, you’re pretty much working to get where you were for a few months. Hence, not making progress.

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[quote]Bricknyce wrote:

[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:

[quote]Bricknyce wrote:

[quote]gregron wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]gregron wrote:
I’m sure a lot of people simply dont want to be huge. I’m pretty sure thats the honest answer more times than not.[/quote]

No offense, but we’ve been through this. No one is expecting all people to have the same goals. I am talking about WHY so few ever move past “works out”. If this were not the BODYBUILDING FORUM, you would have more of a point. Regardless of how big you really want to be, if you are here, the goal should be to NOT be average looking…because that ain’t bodybuilding.[/quote]

Oh i totally agree with your points.

I think there are a lot of people in life (and on this site) that talk a big game, but thats all it is… talk. I dont know why anyone would want to look/be “average.” Some people just dont have what it takes (mentally or physically)

My personal goals arent to get IFBB Pro Heavy weight size (i probably couldnt get that big even if I wanted to) but I definitely dont look average and dont plan on being average at anything.[/quote]

I ask politely:

How can someone be good or excellent at everything? Most are good at a few things - if that - and that’s it.

If everyone looks the same, then there is no average. So you won’t look above average if everyone and their mother starts trying hard to get buff.

Average people are needed in this world. Who else is going to be cashier or ditch digger or butter bagels?
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Your post makes ZERO sense. Hes not talking about anyone but himself. Im pretty sure he knows his own capabilities and potential. Who the hell are you to say that he cant be good at anything he puts his mind to?

No where did he say that EVERYONE has the ability to do EVERYTHING/ANYTHING.

Youre such a loser its not even funny. You hide it behind a shroud of “being realistic”. But youre simply a loser. I see it. Even the other losers you associate with see it. Your self defeating attitude is so cancerous to ambition and progress its amazing that you even socialize with other people. We get it, you personify the qualities of the ‘beta’ personality type. Its good that youve found a way to rationalize your boring existence by telling yourself that its normal to be average at everything.

But please, for the love God, shut. the. fuck. up. [/quote]

Just forgot to add that I’m actually above average in several things I’ve taken up.

I also forgot to give thanks to you. I mean, after all, I’ve only repeatedly COMPLIMENTED and stated RESPECT for you in several threads.

That was cool dude. Thanks. [/quote]

Dude. I dont think youre a bad person.

But enough is enough with all the bullshit about mediocrity. Mediocrity is a disease.

You play the ‘whats wrong with being average’ card as much as PX plays the race card. EVERYONE reading is thinking EXACTLY what I wrote. Just let it go. Its unbelievably irritating.

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[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:

[quote]Bricknyce wrote:

[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:

[quote]Bricknyce wrote:

[quote]gregron wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]gregron wrote:
I’m sure a lot of people simply dont want to be huge. I’m pretty sure thats the honest answer more times than not.[/quote]

No offense, but we’ve been through this. No one is expecting all people to have the same goals. I am talking about WHY so few ever move past “works out”. If this were not the BODYBUILDING FORUM, you would have more of a point. Regardless of how big you really want to be, if you are here, the goal should be to NOT be average looking…because that ain’t bodybuilding.[/quote]

Oh i totally agree with your points.

I think there are a lot of people in life (and on this site) that talk a big game, but thats all it is… talk. I dont know why anyone would want to look/be “average.” Some people just dont have what it takes (mentally or physically)

My personal goals arent to get IFBB Pro Heavy weight size (i probably couldnt get that big even if I wanted to) but I definitely dont look average and dont plan on being average at anything.[/quote]

I ask politely:

How can someone be good or excellent at everything? Most are good at a few things - if that - and that’s it.

If everyone looks the same, then there is no average. So you won’t look above average if everyone and their mother starts trying hard to get buff.

Average people are needed in this world. Who else is going to be cashier or ditch digger or butter bagels?
[/quote]

Your post makes ZERO sense. Hes not talking about anyone but himself. Im pretty sure he knows his own capabilities and potential. Who the hell are you to say that he cant be good at anything he puts his mind to?

No where did he say that EVERYONE has the ability to do EVERYTHING/ANYTHING.

Youre such a loser its not even funny. You hide it behind a shroud of “being realistic”. But youre simply a loser. I see it. Even the other losers you associate with see it. Your self defeating attitude is so cancerous to ambition and progress its amazing that you even socialize with other people. We get it, you personify the qualities of the ‘beta’ personality type. Its good that youve found a way to rationalize your boring existence by telling yourself that its normal to be average at everything.

But please, for the love God, shut. the. fuck. up. [/quote]

Just forgot to add that I’m actually above average in several things I’ve taken up.

I also forgot to give thanks to you. I mean, after all, I’ve only repeatedly COMPLIMENTED and stated RESPECT for you in several threads.

That was cool dude. Thanks. [/quote]

Dude. I dont think youre a bad person.

But enough is enough with all the bullshit about mediocrity. Mediocrity is a disease.

You play the ‘whats wrong with being average’ card as much as PX plays the race card. EVERYONE reading is thinking EXACTLY what I wrote. Just let it go. Its unbelievably irritating. [/quote]

LOL. This because I said they don’t respond the same because you’re white?

Dude, honestly. That’s not “playing the race cars”. It is “noticing that people act fucking strange when I say something but not so strange if you write the same thing”.

Hey, we can test it further if you like. Winner has to buy the other a steak.

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[quote]sam_sneed wrote:

[quote]gregron wrote:

We are still talking about two different things. I never once said that if you have an injury but can train around it that you shouldnt. I fully agree that you should.
[/quote]

You are talking about 2 different things. Nobody said in this thread that they didn’t train around injuries… I said I didn’t train my legs do to my surgeon’s and physical therapists orders but I did train everything else. I don’t know where he got the idea of people not training AT ALL due to an injury. I didn’t read that anywhere.

[quote]
Just to clarify, when I’m thinking injury, I think about a torn ACL or MCL. Or, in my own case, a torn labrum which required surgery and me to be in a sling for 6 weeks straight. thats the kind of ‘injury’ I am talking about. I’m not talking about a strained muscle.[/quote]

I went from 240ish to 220ish in the 4 weeks after my surgery while my leg was in a brace. My bench went from 335 to 265. Major surgeries affect your whole body and no matter whether you push through them or not, you’re pretty much working to get where you were for a few months. Hence, not making progress.[/quote]

Guys that are REALLY REALLY dedicated will use a few hundred dollars worth of GH to cut their recovery time in half and maintain all of their strength. Just ask any professional athlete.

lol @ Kendrick Perkins returining to the NBA 6 months after ACL surgery.

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Playing the race cars? I love race cars. Race car is a palindrome

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:

[quote]Bricknyce wrote:

[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:

[quote]Bricknyce wrote:

[quote]gregron wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]gregron wrote:
I’m sure a lot of people simply dont want to be huge. I’m pretty sure thats the honest answer more times than not.[/quote]

No offense, but we’ve been through this. No one is expecting all people to have the same goals. I am talking about WHY so few ever move past “works out”. If this were not the BODYBUILDING FORUM, you would have more of a point. Regardless of how big you really want to be, if you are here, the goal should be to NOT be average looking…because that ain’t bodybuilding.[/quote]

Oh i totally agree with your points.

I think there are a lot of people in life (and on this site) that talk a big game, but thats all it is… talk. I dont know why anyone would want to look/be “average.” Some people just dont have what it takes (mentally or physically)

My personal goals arent to get IFBB Pro Heavy weight size (i probably couldnt get that big even if I wanted to) but I definitely dont look average and dont plan on being average at anything.[/quote]

I ask politely:

How can someone be good or excellent at everything? Most are good at a few things - if that - and that’s it.

If everyone looks the same, then there is no average. So you won’t look above average if everyone and their mother starts trying hard to get buff.

Average people are needed in this world. Who else is going to be cashier or ditch digger or butter bagels?
[/quote]

Your post makes ZERO sense. Hes not talking about anyone but himself. Im pretty sure he knows his own capabilities and potential. Who the hell are you to say that he cant be good at anything he puts his mind to?

No where did he say that EVERYONE has the ability to do EVERYTHING/ANYTHING.

Youre such a loser its not even funny. You hide it behind a shroud of “being realistic”. But youre simply a loser. I see it. Even the other losers you associate with see it. Your self defeating attitude is so cancerous to ambition and progress its amazing that you even socialize with other people. We get it, you personify the qualities of the ‘beta’ personality type. Its good that youve found a way to rationalize your boring existence by telling yourself that its normal to be average at everything.

But please, for the love God, shut. the. fuck. up. [/quote]

Just forgot to add that I’m actually above average in several things I’ve taken up.

I also forgot to give thanks to you. I mean, after all, I’ve only repeatedly COMPLIMENTED and stated RESPECT for you in several threads.

That was cool dude. Thanks. [/quote]

Dude. I dont think youre a bad person.

But enough is enough with all the bullshit about mediocrity. Mediocrity is a disease.

You play the ‘whats wrong with being average’ card as much as PX plays the race card. EVERYONE reading is thinking EXACTLY what I wrote. Just let it go. Its unbelievably irritating. [/quote]

LOL. This because I said they don’t respond the same because you’re white?

Dude, honestly. That’s not “playing the race cars”. It is “noticing that people act fucking strange when I say something but not so strange if you write the same thing”.

Hey, we can test it further if you like. Winner has to buy the other a steak.[/quote]

Just one? For you?

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[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:
lol @ Kendrick Perkins returining to the NBA 6 months after ACL surgery. [/quote]

Did you see how huge the brace he’s wearing is? He was still kinda hobbling around in pre game warm ups too… Also he always looks like he just smelled some poop