[quote]pittbulll wrote:
It is caused because there are no jobs for the masses and the jobs that are there are minimum wage .There is no tax base for infrastructure
The reasons for the decimation of high paying jobs are policies that Ronald Wilson Reagan endorsed . Specifically opening the door to steel imports .
Look at the tractor trailers in Michigan the trailers have 10 axles and more . Do you think they were meant to haul heavy loads ? Iron Engine Blocks and Steel period.[/quote]
After checking, the city’s government is almost 90% Democrat. With that supermajority should they not be able to fix this problem fairly quickly?
Maybe Zepplin can educate them on using a stimulus to fix the problem.
And if the problem was steel imports…would the rest of the rust belt not look like Detroit? Pittsburg does not seem to be 3rd world.[/quote]
Pittsburgh was moving out of the steel industry in the 70s. It was an is a high tech city.
Try Yougstown OH, Flint Mich., Chicago ILL and the list goes on and on and on and on
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
It is caused because there are no jobs for the masses and the jobs that are there are minimum wage .There is no tax base for infrastructure
The reasons for the decimation of high paying jobs are policies that Ronald Wilson Reagan endorsed . Specifically opening the door to steel imports .
Look at the tractor trailers in Michigan the trailers have 10 axles and more . Do you think they were meant to haul heavy loads ? Iron Engine Blocks and Steel period.[/quote]
After checking, the city’s government is almost 90% Democrat. With that supermajority should they not be able to fix this problem fairly quickly?
Maybe Zepplin can educate them on using a stimulus to fix the problem.
And if the problem was steel imports…would the rest of the rust belt not look like Detroit? Pittsburg does not seem to be 3rd world.[/quote]
Pittsburgh was moving out of the steel industry in the 70s. It was an is a high tech city.
Try Yougstown OH, Flint Mich., Chicago ILL and the list goes on and on and on and on
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So Detroit dug in their heels, demanded higher union wages and drove business out? Check.
Other cities diversified and prospered? Check.
You should move there Pitt…90% Dem and all this opportunity.
If Zeb’s drivers think that spending money on aquiring a CDL is worth it, then how is his fairness in question? If he gave his drivers $4/hour and was able to find drivers, then who, other than the government(due to the ridiculous minimum wage laws), could question his fairness?
[quote]NickViar wrote:
If Zeb’s drivers think that spending money on aquiring a CDL is worth it, then how is his fairness in question? If he gave his drivers $4/hour and was able to find drivers, then who, other than the government(due to the ridiculous minimum wage laws), could question his fairness? [/quote]
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[quote]pittbulll wrote:
It is caused because there are no jobs for the masses and the jobs that are there are minimum wage .There is no tax base for infrastructure
The reasons for the decimation of high paying jobs are policies that Ronald Wilson Reagan endorsed . Specifically opening the door to steel imports .
Look at the tractor trailers in Michigan the trailers have 10 axles and more . Do you think they were meant to haul heavy loads ? Iron Engine Blocks and Steel period.[/quote]
After checking, the city’s government is almost 90% Democrat. With that supermajority should they not be able to fix this problem fairly quickly?
Maybe Zepplin can educate them on using a stimulus to fix the problem.
And if the problem was steel imports…would the rest of the rust belt not look like Detroit? Pittsburg does not seem to be 3rd world.[/quote]
Pittsburgh was moving out of the steel industry in the 70s. It was an is a high tech city.
Try Yougstown OH, Flint Mich., Chicago ILL and the list goes on and on and on and on
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So Detroit dug in their heels, demanded higher union wages and drove business out? Check.
Other cities diversified and prospered? Check.
You should move there Pitt…90% Dem and all this opportunity.[/quote]
I moved out of Youngstown why would I want to move to Detroit, I live an area rated in the top 50 cities . What are you on drugs
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
It is caused because there are no jobs for the masses and the jobs that are there are minimum wage .There is no tax base for infrastructure
The reasons for the decimation of high paying jobs are policies that Ronald Wilson Reagan endorsed . Specifically opening the door to steel imports .
Look at the tractor trailers in Michigan the trailers have 10 axles and more . Do you think they were meant to haul heavy loads ? Iron Engine Blocks and Steel period.[/quote]
After checking, the city’s government is almost 90% Democrat. With that supermajority should they not be able to fix this problem fairly quickly?
Maybe Zepplin can educate them on using a stimulus to fix the problem.
And if the problem was steel imports…would the rest of the rust belt not look like Detroit? Pittsburg does not seem to be 3rd world.[/quote]
Detroit already did ask for a stimulus, check out this council woman asking for Obama’s help after they voted for him.
Pittsburgh was moving out of the steel industry in the 70s. It was an is a high tech city.
Try Yougstown OH, Flint Mich., Chicago ILL and the list goes on and on and on and on
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You still have this cart-> horse relationship all screwed up. The technology and academic infrastructure was developed concurrently with the industry. The unions drove up cost and continued to strike for more. The industries left town for a better economic and regulatory climate. The technology and academics stayed.
There is a bit of a revival occurring in the industry. A friend of mine works in Youngstown at a new pipe mill, and one of the worlds largest continuous rolling mills is getting the finishing touches put on it as we speak.
There is a bit of a revival occurring in the industry. A friend of mine works in Youngstown at a new pipe mill, and one of the worlds largest continuous rolling mills is getting the finishing touches put on it as we speak.
Union sentiment is at an all time low.
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There is a revival , it is mostly surrounding fracking , Unions did get too powerfull in Ohio they put their foot on the throat of economic development .
Unions are at a low , IMO the only hope is a swing back in the other direction labor needs to collectively bargain to get the best shake for labor. All other commodities have a voice in Washington
There is a bit of a revival occurring in the industry. A friend of mine works in Youngstown at a new pipe mill, and one of the worlds largest continuous rolling mills is getting the finishing touches put on it as we speak.
Union sentiment is at an all time low.
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There is a revival , it is mostly surrounding fracking , Unions did get too powerfull in Ohio they put their foot on the throat of economic development .
Unions are at a low , IMO the only hope is a swing back in the other direction labor needs to collectively bargain to get the best shake for labor. All other commodities have a voice in Washington [/quote]
Fracking is part of the picture, but not all of it. Heavy industrial fabrication is picking up too. We use about 800 tons of plate at the shop I work at alone, let alone the trains loaded with WAY more shipping out and passing through.
I’m pretty sure it has more to do with a business friendly environment than anything else. Union take overs are not business friendly. The shop I’m in has survived several attempts in the past couple of years from the USW and the International Aerospace and Machinists Union. Very few people want anything to do with them and are consciously aware of the cause and effect relationship between a union shop and a closed shop. It only takes a couple of years.
Labor needs better representation with management, not Washington. It is in my best interest to represent myself based on skill and ability, not to strong arm a company and it’s dependent counterparts into submission by strike and broad regulation.
There is a bit of a revival occurring in the industry. A friend of mine works in Youngstown at a new pipe mill, and one of the worlds largest continuous rolling mills is getting the finishing touches put on it as we speak.
Union sentiment is at an all time low.
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There is a revival , it is mostly surrounding fracking , Unions did get too powerfull in Ohio they put their foot on the throat of economic development .
Unions are at a low , IMO the only hope is a swing back in the other direction labor needs to collectively bargain to get the best shake for labor. All other commodities have a voice in Washington [/quote]
Fracking is part of the picture, but not all of it. Heavy industrial fabrication is picking up too. We use about 800 tons of plate at the shop I work at alone, let alone the trains loaded with WAY more shipping out and passing through.
I’m pretty sure it has more to do with a business friendly environment than anything else. Union take overs are not business friendly. The shop I’m in has survived several attempts in the past couple of years from the USW and the International Aerospace and Machinists Union. Very few people want anything to do with them and are consciously aware of the cause and effect relationship between a union shop and a closed shop. It only takes a couple of years.
Labor needs better representation with management, not Washington. It is in my best interest to represent myself based on skill and ability, not to strong arm a company and it’s dependent counterparts into submission by strike and broad regulation.
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I am happy the economy seems to be turning around
WE agree on the fact that labor needs representation with management but all aspects of the economy are represented in Washington VIA Lobbyist . Labor should as well or they will be at a disadvantage
[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
Witness what is left of my beloved city
That video makes me so grateful I don’t live on the East side anymore. What the decimated areas of Detroit remind me of is my Grandmothers neighborhood in England in the sixties. Back then they still hadn’t fully cleared out everything that was bombed by the Nazis during the blitz.
That office building they were tearing down at 7:22 was beautiful inside but it was dangerous with parts falling off of it. Years ago I saw a huge plywood panel that they had used to board up the lower level fall off of it and land right next to the bus stop that was there. It sounded like a bomb went off. It could have killed a couple of people.
As bad as all that desolation looks with house after house derelict I see it as a positive sign for Detroit. If you drove down those same streets ten years ago there still would have been a couple of hold outs here and there. Now that the hold outs are clearing out and they have entire streets abandoned they have been able to perform mass demolition which is much cheaper.
For years the biggest problem that Detroit has faced with it’s undeveloped land, is because of the hold outs, very little of it was large parcels of land. It was a patchwork of empty lots and hold outs. Without large empty parcels that could be dedicated to a single useful purpose, nothing could be done redevelop the land.
They can’t build an industrial park or factory in an area with old houses or businesses dotted here and there. Besides that, the only way they will ever be able to build new residential neighborhoods in Detroit is if they are gated communities.
So clearing large parcels is the next step that must happen in order to eventually turn things around. Fortunately the business community has stepped up and began doing just that.
It was a little twilight zone-esque when the girl in the 24 hour convenience store didn’t even know how to get outta there. All I remember is no matter where I went I wound up back on this cliff overlooking the Pittsburgh skyline. Great view, but I didn’t really wanna move there which it was looking more and more like I was doing whether I liked it or not.
[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
I got hopelessly lost in Mckees Rocks years ago. I think I brought that up already.[/quote]
You’re lucky to be alive today; lots of folks get “bashed” on “the Rocks.”
But then again, you LIVE in Detroit, so all bets are off. :-)[/quote]
Detroit DOES have a purpose – round up all the welfare sucks and gang bangers, put 'em in the 313. Build a big wall around it and drop food in from the air. Keep the water and lights on, though they could always just burn down another building for light, heat, etc.
[quote]Headhunter wrote:
Black mayors hate white voters, so they drive out the (usually) more prosperous whites. Thus the big cities become fetid cesspools of violence and depravity.
"In 1960, Detroit’s population was 1.6 million. Blacks were 29 percent, and whites were 70 percent. Today, Detroit’s population has fallen precipitously to 707,000, of which blacks are 84 percent and whites 8 percent. Much of the city’s decline began with the election of Coleman Young, Detroit’s first black mayor and mayor for five terms, who engaged in political favoritism to blacks and tax policies against higher income mostly white people. Young’s successors, Dennis Archer and Kwame Kilpatrick, followed his Third World tyrant policies, but neither had his verbal vulgarity. Kilpatrick (2002-2008) went to jail and is on trial today on charges of corruption. Mayor David Bing is making an effort to revive Detroit. His problem is that he’s not God.
Policies that ran whites and other more affluent people out of Detroit might have been Young’s and his successors’ strategy. After all, why not get rid of people who aren’t going to vote for you anyway? The problem is that getting rid of these people left Detroit with a lower tax base, fewer jobs and fewer consumers. Fewer whites might be good for the careers of black politicians, but it’s not in the best interests of ordinary blacks. Blacks have political control of Detroit, but the relevant question is whether some control of something is better than 100 percent control of nothing. By most measures, Detroit is one of the nation’s most tragic cities, and it’s mostly self-imposed."
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Hey man… I’m gonna call it like I see it and no offense, I’m saying this beforehand…
That article is complete garbage. You should probably ignore that source, or not take it very seriously. It doesn’t really rate a response…
