[quote]SquatDeepHomie wrote:
The same way I hope you don’t show up to my gym and try to monopolize a power cage so you can do 100 pull ups with 100 front squats and then roll around in a puddle of your own puke, you can hope my big ignorant ass doesn’t show up to your garage and take all your 25 pound rubber plates so I can do deadlifts. [/quote]
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Yes.
[quote]gregron wrote:
^^did you miss the whole part where he said he INST a crossfit guy. He has been arguing AGAINST crossfit so far in this entire thread. How can you be that dense?[/quote]
To clarify. The first paragraph was in response to Dan. The next 2 paragraphs were just my thoughts, and meant to be directed more at the likes of crossfit infidel and spk. Those were not directed at Dan.
[quote]SquatDeepHomie wrote:
[quote]gregron wrote:
^^did you miss the whole part where he said he INST a crossfit guy. He has been arguing AGAINST crossfit so far in this entire thread. How can you be that dense?[/quote]
To clarify. The first paragraph was in response to Dan. The next 2 paragraphs were just my thoughts, and meant to be directed more at the likes of crossfit infidel and spk. Those were not directed at Dan. [/quote]
ahhhhh I see. Then I take it back 
[quote]SquatDeepHomie wrote:
[quote]crossfit_infidel wrote:
[quote]SquatDeepHomie wrote:
[quote]spk wrote:
go to any gym in the usa and the average guy you see there will be a big guy, not cut or in shape looking at all, but a big guy doing benches, curls and a few other exercies. very very non fit. go in any crosfit gym and your average guy there is fit looking with veins in his arms, abs showing and is in shape to run a 10k, row a long way do 20 dead hand pullups, deadlift and squat double his bodyweight
ask any girl who she would rather be with on looks alone, and i bet 9 out of 10 pick the fit looking crosfit guy.
now, there are the stud bodybuilders in all gyms too, guys that look almost like arnold. trouble is these guys move like statues and at best could run/walk a slow 10k.
seeek out the better crossfit guys in crossfit gyms, and they look like a world class gymnast, look almost as good as the amature bodybuilder that wants to look like arnold, but these guys can also run swim row, play sports and are agile…
nothing against bodybuilders but the specific training they do to look like arnold and run like a statue is kinda funny looking.
personally i’m glad i look like a lean frank zane, but can run 10 miles, ride my bike 100 miles and move like a gymnast…
i think a lot of bodybuilders dislike xfit cause they cant do some of the movements. some of the big great looking guys at the gym taht bad mouth xfit do sets of 10 in pullups… hell the stud crossfit guys do 30-40 50 deadhangs and 70-80- kipping pullups… a 250# pure bodybuilder deads 3x his bodyweight, but so do xfit guys… pure bodybuilders dont do cardio… well they walk or jog like a girl, pure crossfitters run a fast 6 miles.
i dont call it crosfit… i call what i do circut training.crossfgit is a newer word…
i’m just glad i look like a lean frank zane, but can also dead close to 2.5 times my bodyweight, run 10 miles… fast, ride a hundred miles… nd move like a gymnast.
now, the strongmern, they are very very strong but are so fat looking…
specific training for specific goals. my day is over as a pro hockey player
circut training now… [/quote]
Post videos of all these elite 250 pound crossfitter doing a 750 dead, 500 ATG Squat, 30 dead hang pull ups etc. There is always an exception that proves the rule, so post 2. Or post these videos of your average crossfitters squatting double their bodyweight ATG. I’m calling BullShit. Crossfitters pride themselves on their cardio, not their strength, and the reason is because they have no strength. Or go ahead and post videos of you deadlifting and squatting double your bodyweight as well as hitting 40 dead hang pull ups. You’re a crossfitter so I know you film every thing you do. You’re getting called out so post your shit, and I’ll STFU.
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750 dead is alot of weight I think the big boys in crossfit are around the 600 mark, there is also a few of the bigger guys over 500 on the back squat but most of the good athletes are around 450-475 and there is to many crossfitters that can do 30 dead hang pull ups…I have decent strength numbers at 525 dead, 405 squat and a 235 press I also just ran a very unimpressive marathon in 4 hours,30 minutes and some change…does this make me an elite athlete I wouldn’t say so…Not to bad for government work…I watched a video on the mainsite the other day and I thought of you.
media.crossfit.com/cf-video/CrossFit_Glassman_FindingTheFittest.wmv
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Would that be a 235 bench press? If so I’m also calling bullshit on you. 235 is a very shitty number, especially if you are squatting over 400 and pulling over 500. I’ll leave you an out though. You were talking about standing military press right? [/quote]
Standing press 235…it all makes sense man…I think I was just being defensive, I’m new and its hard to judge…I push crossfit because it works for me and its easy to take an un motivated person and help them obtain a decent level of fitness without getting all scientific`
[quote]spk wrote:
go to any gym in the usa and the average guy you see there will be a big guy, not cut or in shape looking at all, but a big guy doing benches, curls and a few other exercies. very very non fit. go in any crosfit gym and your average guy there is fit looking with veins in his arms, abs showing and is in shape to run a 10k, row a long way do 20 dead hand pullups, deadlift and squat double his bodyweight
ask any girl who she would rather be with on looks alone, and i bet 9 out of 10 pick the fit looking crosfit guy.
now, there are the stud bodybuilders in all gyms too, guys that look almost like arnold. trouble is these guys move like statues and at best could run/walk a slow 10k.
seeek out the better crossfit guys in crossfit gyms, and they look like a world class gymnast, look almost as good as the amature bodybuilder that wants to look like arnold, but these guys can also run swim row, play sports and are agile…
nothing against bodybuilders but the specific training they do to look like arnold and run like a statue is kinda funny looking.
personally i’m glad i look like a lean frank zane, but can run 10 miles, ride my bike 100 miles and move like a gymnast…
i think a lot of bodybuilders dislike xfit cause they cant do some of the movements. some of the big great looking guys at the gym taht bad mouth xfit do sets of 10 in pullups… hell the stud crossfit guys do 30-40 50 deadhangs and 70-80- kipping pullups… a 250# pure bodybuilder deads 3x his bodyweight, but so do xfit guys… pure bodybuilders dont do cardio… well they walk or jog like a girl, pure crossfitters run a fast 6 miles.
i dont call it crosfit… i call what i do circut training.crossfgit is a newer word…
i’m just glad i look like a lean frank zane, but can also dead close to 2.5 times my bodyweight, run 10 miles… fast, ride a hundred miles… nd move like a gymnast.
now, the strongmern, they are very very strong but are so fat looking…
specific training for specific goals. my day is over as a pro hockey player
circut training now… [/quote]
umm…yea…i’m gonna have to …uh…go ahead…and…uh…ask you to…stop postingggggg
[quote]spk wrote:
i’m just glad i look like a lean frank ZAPPA, but can also dead close to 2.5 times my bodyweight, run 10 miles… fast, ride a hundred miles… nd move like a gymnast.
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Spk, I’ve edited that for you. You’re welcome.
You know Crossfit is just another avenue to push yourself.
As a Fitness Trainer many people aren’t motivated to exercise, nor are they educated on what to do. You see people wandering around the local community centres and gyms always doing the same exercise or looking for the next exercise as they have no plan.
Crossfit helps a lot of these people. They get in there, they pump up and they leave. They get a sweat, likely workout with some friends and they’re hopefully one step closer to reaching their fitness goals.
That’s it, plain and simple. Everyone has their own training styles. Personally I don’t use Crossfit but i’m always happy to see people working out vs sitting on their asses.
MrExercise
So when everybody calms down and listens, it seems like most evryone on the same page, which is do what you like and what works for you, just dont be a pretentious, smarmy ass about it.
This below “salt is salty” made me LOL at work
PS: Saying “a lean Frank Zane” is like saying “salt is salty”. It’s fucking redundant…that’s what Zane was known for. But please…by all means…let’s see this Frank Zane like physique of yours, since you mentioned it TWICE in your post.[/quote]
[quote]jskrabac wrote:
[quote]spk wrote:
i’m just glad i look like a lean frank ZAPPA, but can also dead close to 2.5 times my bodyweight, run 10 miles… fast, ride a hundred miles… nd move like a gymnast.
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Spk, I’ve edited that for you. You’re welcome. [/quote]
OMG your avatar is amazing. Do want
[quote]spk wrote:
row a long way [/quote]
They should all stay off the rowing machines…fuckin crossfitters.
[quote]LiquidMercury wrote:
[quote]spk wrote:
row a long way [/quote]
They should all stay off the rowing machines…fuckin crossfitters.[/quote]
Yeah I’m sure that is what the people that make concept 2 rowers are saying
Crossfit is great for the average person that doesn’t have a goal in any form of athletics or in a particular sport. If all you want to do is get in better shape, then it’s a fine option. For anyone who actually has plans to compete in a sport, it’s terrible.
http://www.jtsstrength.com/articles/2010/12/01/the-problem-with-crossfit-for-athletes/
"Crossfit gyms are popping up across the world. I think they are great for the general population who are looking for something more than a commercial gym experience, but it greatly concerns me that now many athletes are turning to CrossFit for their performance training. CrossFitâ??s website states, â??Our specialty is not specializing. Combat, survival, many sports and life reward this kind of fitness and, on average, punish the specialist.â?? The statement that many sports punish the specialist could not be further from the truth. Elite athletes must be elite in their necessary skill set. This skill set may encompass many traits. For example, a linebacker in football must possess maximal strength, explosive strength, speed, agility and some level of aerobic alactic conditioning. These skills though are not needed in equal proportion, so why would he train them all equally? Cross fit aims to do just this, which is not sound or economical for the athlete.
Another issue that arises with CrossFit when used to train athletes is the lack of specificity and transfer of training. There are specific movement patterns that athletes must master for their sport, CrossFit and their â??Workout of the Dayâ?? neglects this. Greg Glassman, the creator of CrossFit wrote in a CrossFit Journal article, â??Weâ??re asked for workouts for baseball, karate, swimming, dance, boxing, but they all get the same thing: CrossFit.â?? Whatever sport you play requires specific skills, probably different skills than the athlete from a different sport, who is performing the same workout next to you requires, so why are you doing the same training?
The programming-or lack thereof- exhibited in CrossFit workouts are also troublesome when trying to apply them to athleteâ??s training. Some prominent strength coaches chimed with the following thoughts about CrossFit for athletes. Alwyn Cosgrove, owner of Results Fitness in Santa Clarita, CA said, â??a recent CrossFit workout was 30 reps of snatches with 135 pounds. A snatch is an explosive exercise designed to train power development. Thirty reps is endurance. You donâ??t use an explosive exercise to train endurance; there are more effective and safer choices. Another one was 30 muscle-ups. And if you canâ??t do muscle-ups, do 120 pull-ups and 120 dips. Itâ??s just random; it makes no sense. Two days later the program was five sets of five in the push jerk with max loads. Thatâ??s not looking too healthy for the shoulder joint if you just did 120 dips 48 hours ago.â?? Mike Boyle, a prominent Boston-based strength coach and combine preparation specialist added, â??I think high-rep Olympic lifting is dangerous. Be careful with CrossFit.â?? Finally Charles Poliquin, owner of the Poliquin Performance Center and trainer of over 100 Olympic athletes across various disciplines stated, â??â??If you try to do everything in your workout, you get nothing. CrossFit is different, and maybe even fun for some people, but itâ??s not very effective. No athlete has ever gotten good training like that.â??
The workouts discussed above and other CrossFit â??WODâ??sâ?? are certainly challenging, but a hard workout and a training session that will maximize your athletic performance are certainly not the same thing. For a speed/power athlete, why waste your energy developing your aerobic capacity to an unnecessary level? For an endurance athlete, why waste your time developing your explosive power and maximal strength to an unnecessary level?
CrossFit workouts have merits, they are challenging and combine many good methods. Athleteâ??s though need to focus specifically on the skills that will help them succeed at their sport and CrossFit fails to do this. If your goals are to be competent at everything, then CrossFit is for you; if your goal is to excel at your sport, than I suggest you find a training method focused on developing the skills you need." - Chad Smith
[quote]crossfit_infidel wrote:
[quote]LiquidMercury wrote:
[quote]spk wrote:
row a long way [/quote]
They should all stay off the rowing machines…fuckin crossfitters.[/quote]
Yeah I’m sure that is what the people that make concept 2 rowers are saying[/quote]
From a business standpoint I’m sure they’re happy, from a non-business standpoint probably not. It’s like a great artist making a piece of work, selling it, and then watching the buyer burn it. As a rower/coach I hate crossfitters on the erg since they have no fricken clue how to use it properly and end up damaging the machines significantly at any gym I go to. This isn’t just crossfitters of course, but not many programs/training philosophies recommend using one other then crossfit. Personally all people who are not rowers or do not have a rower to teach them proper usage of one should just stay off for their back’s sake.
[quote]LiquidMercury wrote:
[quote]crossfit_infidel wrote:
[quote]LiquidMercury wrote:
[quote]spk wrote:
row a long way [/quote]
They should all stay off the rowing machines…fuckin crossfitters.[/quote]
Yeah I’m sure that is what the people that make concept 2 rowers are saying[/quote]
From a business standpoint I’m sure they’re happy, from a non-business standpoint probably not. It’s like a great artist making a piece of work, selling it, and then watching the buyer burn it. As a rower/coach I hate crossfitters on the erg since they have no fricken clue how to use it properly and end up damaging the machines significantly at any gym I go to. This isn’t just crossfitters of course, but not many programs/training philosophies recommend using one other then crossfit. Personally all people who are not rowers or do not have a rower to teach them proper usage of one should just stay off for their back’s sake. [/quote]
I see your point…But I think its just a tad slighted…I think the concept rower machines are a good way to improve your conditioning…so I guess you think we shouldn’t do a dumbell curl without a certified personal trainer also?
[quote]crossfit_infidel wrote:
[quote]LiquidMercury wrote:
[quote]crossfit_infidel wrote:
[quote]LiquidMercury wrote:
[quote]spk wrote:
row a long way [/quote]
They should all stay off the rowing machines…fuckin crossfitters.[/quote]
Yeah I’m sure that is what the people that make concept 2 rowers are saying[/quote]
From a business standpoint I’m sure they’re happy, from a non-business standpoint probably not. It’s like a great artist making a piece of work, selling it, and then watching the buyer burn it. As a rower/coach I hate crossfitters on the erg since they have no fricken clue how to use it properly and end up damaging the machines significantly at any gym I go to. This isn’t just crossfitters of course, but not many programs/training philosophies recommend using one other then crossfit. Personally all people who are not rowers or do not have a rower to teach them proper usage of one should just stay off for their back’s sake. [/quote]
I see your point…But I think its just a tad slighted…I think the concept rower machines are a good way to improve your conditioning…so I guess you think we shouldn’t do a dumbell curl without a certified personal trainer also?[/quote]
people shouldnt be using any equipment that they dont know how to utilize properly.
If you dont know how to use something the right way and you are risking injury to yourself or damage to the equipment then no… No they shouldnt be using it.
[quote]gregron wrote:
[quote]crossfit_infidel wrote:
[quote]LiquidMercury wrote:
[quote]crossfit_infidel wrote:
[quote]LiquidMercury wrote:
[quote]spk wrote:
row a long way [/quote]
They should all stay off the rowing machines…fuckin crossfitters.[/quote]
Yeah I’m sure that is what the people that make concept 2 rowers are saying[/quote]
From a business standpoint I’m sure they’re happy, from a non-business standpoint probably not. It’s like a great artist making a piece of work, selling it, and then watching the buyer burn it. As a rower/coach I hate crossfitters on the erg since they have no fricken clue how to use it properly and end up damaging the machines significantly at any gym I go to. This isn’t just crossfitters of course, but not many programs/training philosophies recommend using one other then crossfit. Personally all people who are not rowers or do not have a rower to teach them proper usage of one should just stay off for their back’s sake. [/quote]
I see your point…But I think its just a tad slighted…I think the concept rower machines are a good way to improve your conditioning…so I guess you think we shouldn’t do a dumbell curl without a certified personal trainer also?[/quote]
people shouldnt be using any equipment that they dont know how to utilize properly.
If you dont know how to use something the right way and you are risking injury to yourself or damage to the equipment then no… No they shouldnt be using it.
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Its a rower folks…How did you learn to ride a bike? I get it the big bad rower is dangerous but come on really, its a rower
[quote]crossfit_infidel wrote:
Its a rower folks…How did you learn to ride a bike? [/quote]
^^terrible example lol.
Someone taught me how to ride a bike.
^^Dangerous? Possibly… but using it incorrectly can and will DAMAGE the equipment. Are you ignoring that fact on purpose? By the way… You dont have to try to patronize me with your answer. I’m capable of holding an intelligent adult conversation if you feel like addressing the issues with a level head.
[quote]gregron wrote:
[quote]crossfit_infidel wrote:
Its a rower folks…How did you learn to ride a bike? [/quote]
^^terrible example lol.
Someone taught me how to ride a bike.
^^Dangerous? Possibly… but using it incorrectly can and will DAMAGE the equipment. Are you ignoring that fact on purpose? By the way… You dont have to try to patronize me with your answer. I’m capable of holding an intelligent adult conversation if you feel like addressing the issues with a level head. [/quote]
I guess I am ignoring the fact you could damage the equipment…I am open to listen to just about anyones opinion on conditioning and what not, that is why I came to the forum…but I just can’t buy off on not using a rower without a coach…To be honest I have never seen anyone use a rower that comes from a rowing background so I don’t know how they ever learned…I meant no disrespect with my last post its just a little weird for a forum full of badasses talking about how a rowing machine is dangerous
They learned wrong. I can tell instantly if someone has been taught by a coach or not. There are very very basic movement patterns within rowing. I see personal trainers teach this wrong all the time and have told them to stop with their clients while they are on the rowing machine next to me.
Gregon can vouch for the what a difference erging with instruction can make. He video taped himself rowing and we picked through what needed to be changed and it was a significantly different movement for him.
As someone who has to maintain and fix rowing machines regularly, our club owns 40+, I cannot begin to tell you how much bad technical form can ruin one over time.
All the top Crossfitters have gotten strong and built all their muscle doing something else. Rob Orlando was a strongman who could axle jerk 300X10. Lipson, the strongest Crossfitter with a 635 Deadlift played semi-pro baseball before.
Grahm, the current Crossfit games champion was a college ball player. Milo, the biggest hero in Crossfit, was just a guy who liked to train sprint events in indoor rowing and do olympic lifts. He’d been training that way like 10 years before he heard of crossfit, then just decided to go and dominate everyone because his own training lended himself to beating everyone.
But I think Crossfit is evolving and is in a lot better state than it was a few years ago. People now start their workouts with a strength focus like singles in the Snatch or 5X5 Squats. Then they move on to their conditioning workouts. That sounds pretty sensible to me.
Zach Even-Esh puts it best. I VASTLY prefer the rapid popularization of Crossfit over the growth of undeniably shitty chains like Ballys, Gold’s Gym, The Rush, or Planet Fitness. Crossfit values hard training. If all these mainstream gyms go out of buisness and it’s only Crossfit gyms left, that’s fine by me.
I’m fucking sick of hearing people talk about how awesome lame shit is like Yoga, Spinning or P90X. But if I start to hear people talk about how much they like Crossfit, I’m happy. I don’t think their methods are perfect and I think the community is peppered with charlatans but I like the direction they’re headed in.