All this bickering aside, I think it’s safe to say East Asians have it the worst (I’m Korean). I can’t generalize China since within the 1 billion+ population, every phenotype is expressed, but East Asians for the most part are the least likely to fit the classic Adonis model.
BUT, I’ve read about super soldiers being bred in North Korea. Oh, how the turntables have…
[quote]newbatman wrote:
WhiteFlash wrote:
newbatman wrote:
WhiteFlash wrote:
All I have to add is NewBatman is maybe the most ignorant and ill-informed poster on this site.
these things come back on your head…
you are still mad that you looked stupid last time we argued…
we all remember that is when I called you a “white Uncle Tom”…
to the non-americans: an “uncle Tom” is a term african americans use to describe an african american that worships whites (I called whiteflash a “white uncle Tom” because he worships blacks)(look at his name…he degrades himself in his black obsession…very strange)
All I remember is everyone telling you you were wrong and you exiting the thread 'cause I kept shutting you down. I change my mind, there’s no maybe about it: YOU’RE AN IDIOT.
you honeslty degrade yourself for racists enjoyment with the name “whiteflash”…
you worship the black man and think the black man is God[/quote]
This is the same shit you argued about before, and if you remember everyone said you were wrong, and I shut you down. Didn’t we just go over this? THINK MAN, THINK!!!
The most popular sport in the word is soccer and Brazilians always dominate the ranks of the best players. white black or mutts there are excellent Brazilian players in every type and colour.
Them all of a sudden Brazil has a dominance in volleyball a sport for giants even though Brazilians are far from being a “tall nation” and again you ave Brazilians of every colour outperforming the competition.
Explain please
[quote]Nikhil Rao wrote:
Our evolution is shaped by our environment. People who evolved in different areas will have different adaptations.[/quote]
Okay, so you seem somewhat educated on this, let me ask you: What effect do you think EPIGENETIC responses play on the development of someone’s athletic attributes?
[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
newbatman wrote:
WhiteFlash wrote:
newbatman wrote:
WhiteFlash wrote:
All I have to add is NewBatman is maybe the most ignorant and ill-informed poster on this site.
these things come back on your head…
you are still mad that you looked stupid last time we argued…
we all remember that is when I called you a “white Uncle Tom”…
to the non-americans: an “uncle Tom” is a term african americans use to describe an african american that worships whites (I called whiteflash a “white uncle Tom” because he worships blacks)(look at his name…he degrades himself in his black obsession…very strange)
All I remember is everyone telling you you were wrong and you exiting the thread 'cause I kept shutting you down. I change my mind, there’s no maybe about it: YOU’RE AN IDIOT.
you honeslty degrade yourself for racists enjoyment with the name “whiteflash”…
you worship the black man and think the black man is God
This is the same shit you argued about before, and if you remember everyone said you were wrong, and I shut you down. Didn’t we just go over this? THINK MAN, THINK!!![/quote]
you little pansy…
you and TC would get along probably…
you could worship the black man together…
and you and two little wusses had problems and were ridiculous in what you said while more people were arguing on my side…
you just wanted to try to brag that you can barely dunk on a fast break…(oh no)
then you got sonned…
honestly…
take your b league self and apologize to the world for being obsessed with the “black” man
[quote]Nikhil Rao wrote:
newbatman wrote:
everything you said was incorrect…
Really. Guess I wasted all that time getting a graduate degree in human evolution and was taught and have spoken with many of the people who’ve done these ‘wrong’ studies.
and the studies you referred to were ridiculous media pleasers…
Back that up. I’ve read thousands of pages on the subject, been educated by some of the most prominent human evolutionary biologists in the world, and talked with many more.
the differences you spoke of are all cultural and environmental…
Really, so the environment and culture of being a lifelong nerd predisposed me to be a lean 180 5’10 before I ever touched a weight? lol
Environment and culture are the sole determinants of fiber type distribution, muscle attachment and insertion points, and skeletal robusticity?
Environment and culture are the sole reason that northern europeans are much less likely to be lactose intolerant?
anyone with any genetics or biology understanding knows that no gene is linked to any other gene and this is really the end of all arguements on racial differences OR EVEN RACE BEING LINKED SKIN / DERMAL / HAIR PHENOTYPE
I did not talk specifically about race. But if your’e going to tell me that someone from the Savannah like the Maasai had identical evolutionary pressures placed on them as my tropical forest-dwelling and military-bred ancestors then you have got to be kidding me.
I am not talking about issues of race but of evolutionary pressures placed on people in certain living environments. A jungle-living african had the same evolutionary pressures placed on them as a jungle-living indian. Which is one of the reasons descendants of both of these groups are classic mesomorphs. A savannah living individual from Africa has similar pressures placed on them as a native american in the arid climates of north america. And they have similar body types.
That is what I’m talking about. It’s called convergent evolution. This is real basic stuff here.
As for no gene being linked to any other gene are you serious? Really? That’s the stupidest thing I’ve ever heard. Because any basic genetics course spends a good deal of time talking about genetic linkages.
I guess all mtDNA studies are garbage too. Obviously broad groups like ‘black’ or ‘asian’ or ‘white’ are too inclusive and muddy. Anyone with the most basic understanding of evolution could tell you that, because within europe there’s a range of different climates and ecologies, same for asia and africa. But the idea that different groups, with relatively limited genetic flow, exposed to different environmental and evolutionary pressures, woudl not show significant genetic differences at the population level is more retarded than anything else I’ve read in this thread.
Our evolution is shaped by our environment. People who evolved in different areas will have different adaptations.[/quote]
once you started talking about people being bred you made yourself look like a fool…
but to save you from propaganda:
RULE NUMBER 1: skin color and dermal / hair combinations are not linked to other genes and differences amongst the the human family are present in all gene pools globally
[quote]newbatman wrote:
WhiteFlash wrote:
newbatman wrote:
WhiteFlash wrote:
newbatman wrote:
WhiteFlash wrote:
All I have to add is NewBatman is maybe the most ignorant and ill-informed poster on this site.
these things come back on your head…
you are still mad that you looked stupid last time we argued…
we all remember that is when I called you a “white Uncle Tom”…
to the non-americans: an “uncle Tom” is a term african americans use to describe an african american that worships whites (I called whiteflash a “white uncle Tom” because he worships blacks)(look at his name…he degrades himself in his black obsession…very strange)
All I remember is everyone telling you you were wrong and you exiting the thread 'cause I kept shutting you down. I change my mind, there’s no maybe about it: YOU’RE AN IDIOT.
you honeslty degrade yourself for racists enjoyment with the name “whiteflash”…
you worship the black man and think the black man is God
This is the same shit you argued about before, and if you remember everyone said you were wrong, and I shut you down. Didn’t we just go over this? THINK MAN, THINK!!!
you little pansy…
you and TC would get along probably…
you could worship the black man together…
and you and two little wusses had problems and were ridiculous in what you said while more people were arguing on my side…
you just wanted to try to brag that you can barely dunk on a fast break…(oh no)
then you got sonned…
honestly…
take your b league self and apologize to the world for being obsessed with the “black” man[/quote]
Listen here dick rider. You have no idea of what you write. I’ve explained the nickname in the last thread, in which EVERYONE agreed with me, not you. Once again you’re wrong. I don’t “barely dunk on a fastbreak”. I dunk two-handed from a standstill. I’m not sure why you choose to live in this fantasy world you’ve created for yourself, but I’m sure it has to do with the fact that your reality sucks and no one can stand to listen to your inchoherent drivel for more than a few seconds at a sitting, so you sit behind your moniter and write faux-tough guy nonsense in the hopes that people will acknowledge you. Here’s your acknowledgement : YOU’RE A FUCKING MORON. No one here takes you seriously, and you’d be wise to exit here with your yellow tail tucked between your faggot legs like you did the last thread. Bye bye now.
Ok I skimmed through the thread and came to a few conclusions:
1.) newbatman is an idiot and a closet racist.
2.) A lot of people are getting genetics confused with race/phenotype, as well as trying to establish absolutes. Up until very, very recently in our evolutionary history the current social constructs didn’t exist; hence, genetic differences and specific physiological traits DO exist in different subgroups. At the same time, people are mixing more than ever (at least in the Western world), so these differences are getting blended together. Having said that, height average is the best way to demonstrate the existence of said differences.
/thread.
[quote]PublickStews wrote:
From my experience, the only people who obsess about “black genetics” are white kids looking to excuse their own inferiority and lack of hard work. Keep in mind that there is on average more genetic variety within races than between races.[/quote]
Really? You mean you have actually met lots of people such as you describe? And/or read lots of posts from people fitting that description?
Funny, I’ve never either met any such person or seen a single post that seemed to me to fit that category.
Instead, the only obsession I’ve seen is from politically-correct people bent out of shape against even any claimed POSSIBILITY of there being such a thing as functionally-significant differences in genetics between races, including in sports, and most especially if blacks are cited. They then get quite bent out of shape. It’s obviously not a scientific discussion with them, but a political and/or emotional one.
Anyway, onto the topic:
There is no for the most part no quantitative test by which “genetics” with regards to sports can be measured. You can’t add someone’s sample to a test tube and announce that they score a 99.4% for genetics for Sport X.
(The reason I say “for the most part” is that some things such as muscle fiber type can be measured. We can measure a given individual and determine that their genetics rule out that they can be a high-level marathon runner, or high-level sprinter; or show that at least in that regard they have the potential; and can test a population and demonstrate that the suitable qualities are extremely rare, relatively common, or somwhere inbetween for that population. But that is only one aspect of the genetic gifts required for that activity.)
Instead the only rational, IMO, way to go is by result. If someone achieves a given thing then it is proven that they had the genetic potential to achieve it.
This is why, for example, I find it silly when a World Champion powerlifter totalling more than 10 times his bodyweight (with equipment) claims he has ordinary genetics. No, it’s a proven fact that he has the genetics to be World Champion.
In contrast, when a person despite years of hard training in an apparently correct way does not achieve such a thing, we do not know that he has such genetics. If he doesn’t even come close we will be right most of the time in saying that he does not.
The same is true for populations.
[quote]Beef Soda wrote:
All this bickering aside, I think it’s safe to say East Asians have it the worst (I’m Korean). I can’t generalize China since within the 1 billion+ population, every phenotype is expressed, but East Asians for the most part are the least likely to fit the classic Adonis model.
BUT, I’ve read about super soldiers being bred in North Korea. Oh, how the turntables have…
[/quote]
I think you have to look into cultural nutrition…
EXAMPLE:
Does the culture eat 100 grams of carbs and 10 grams of protein per meal?
(Mexican or Chinese)
[quote]nopal_juventus wrote:
Ok I skimmed through the thread and came to a few conclusions:
1.) newbatman is an idiot and a closet racist.
2.) A lot of people are getting genetics confused with race/phenotype, as well as trying to establish absolutes. Up until very, very recently in our evolutionary history the current social constructs didn’t exist; hence, genetic differences and specific physiological traits DO exist in different subgroups. At the same time, people are mixing more than ever (at least in the Western world), so these differences are getting blended together. Having said that, height average is the best way to demonstrate the existence of said differences.
/thread.[/quote]
1.) “BLACK” CULTURE vs. AFRICAN AMERICANS
my company is 3 african americans on the board, one Nigerian, and me…I picked the board…
I only see african american people daily whether at work on the street or any where…I chose this neighborhood because I could help the children with my company…
I am however against “black” as a culture as are my african-american friends too…
“black” as a culture is a ridiculous TV stereotype that raises moral imbeciles with IQ test scores of a pre-schooler…no wonder “black” culture worshippers end up in jail…
2.)HEIGHT DIFFERENCES
does your culture eat 100 grams of carbs and 10 grams of protein per meal?
(MEXICAN and CHINESE)
the ignorant and arrogant are destroyed in a heartbeat
[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
newbatman wrote:
WhiteFlash wrote:
newbatman wrote:
WhiteFlash wrote:
newbatman wrote:
WhiteFlash wrote:
All I have to add is NewBatman is maybe the most ignorant and ill-informed poster on this site.
these things come back on your head…
you are still mad that you looked stupid last time we argued…
we all remember that is when I called you a “white Uncle Tom”…
to the non-americans: an “uncle Tom” is a term african americans use to describe an african american that worships whites (I called whiteflash a “white uncle Tom” because he worships blacks)(look at his name…he degrades himself in his black obsession…very strange)
All I remember is everyone telling you you were wrong and you exiting the thread 'cause I kept shutting you down. I change my mind, there’s no maybe about it: YOU’RE AN IDIOT.
you honeslty degrade yourself for racists enjoyment with the name “whiteflash”…
you worship the black man and think the black man is God
This is the same shit you argued about before, and if you remember everyone said you were wrong, and I shut you down. Didn’t we just go over this? THINK MAN, THINK!!!
you little pansy…
you and TC would get along probably…
you could worship the black man together…
and you and two little wusses had problems and were ridiculous in what you said while more people were arguing on my side…
you just wanted to try to brag that you can barely dunk on a fast break…(oh no)
then you got sonned…
honestly…
take your b league self and apologize to the world for being obsessed with the “black” man
Listen here dick rider. You have no idea of what you write. I’ve explained the nickname in the last thread, in which EVERYONE agreed with me, not you. Once again you’re wrong. I don’t “barely dunk on a fastbreak”. I dunk two-handed from a standstill. I’m not sure why you choose to live in this fantasy world you’ve created for yourself, but I’m sure it has to do with the fact that your reality sucks and no one can stand to listen to your inchoherent drivel for more than a few seconds at a sitting, so you sit behind your moniter and write faux-tough guy nonsense in the hopes that people will acknowledge you. Here’s your acknowledgement : YOU’RE A FUCKING MORON. No one here takes you seriously, and you’d be wise to exit here with your yellow tail tucked between your faggot legs like you did the last thread. Bye bye now.[/quote]
pansy
[quote]Bill Roberts wrote:
PublickStews wrote:
From my experience, the only people who obsess about “black genetics” are white kids looking to excuse their own inferiority and lack of hard work. Keep in mind that there is on average more genetic variety within races than between races.
Really? You mean you have actually met lots of people such as you describe? And/or read lots of posts from people fitting that description?
Funny, I’ve never either met any such person or seen a single post that seemed to me to fit that category.[/quote]
Publickstews honest
Bill Roberts liar
To the guy who said Asians have the worst genetics… you are mistaken…
Actuall Asians have very good genetics, they are not far from northern europeans and they are considered to have the very best genetics period. And the very worst genetics with by far the most ammount of problems are Blacks…
Good genetics are determined by Who has the least health issues, highest IQ’s, least Obesity, least Heart problems, least genetic diseases (sickle cell anemia and so on), least ammount of cancers, and also who has t he least ammount of fatalities to cancers, longest life spans, diabetes, mental problems etc…
Even when when donor eggs or sperm is chosen, over 90% of the time its chosen from white people… why ?? Because when you take all into consideration above, odds are that white genetics will get them the healthiest babies, most successful in life, least ammount of cancers, least genetic diseases, most cancers are less deadly in whites, best hearts/lungs, least ammount of mental problems, highest IQ’s and longest life spans (on average of course).
Now if you want to talk sports, black people on average are the fastest sprinters and thats very useful in boxing, football, track and field etc… White people are the very best in Gymnastics and are also the strongest people in the world 9 out of 10 times…
I’m of eastern European descent and i used to run 10.3 seconds 100 meters in college and yes thats better than 99.9999 % of blacks whites or whatever, but in real world application that’s almost never useful.
What really matters in life is to have healthy, inteligent, least ammount of proplem genetics in life…
That by far is much more advantageous in life than being able to outrun most people by half a second or to be able to outlift someone.
[quote]shizen wrote:
This probably is going to sound stupid, but what nationality do you think naturally has the best genetics in terms of strength and speed. I think African Americans averagely round in at the top, following Russians and Samoans for my top 3.
So who do you think averagely naturally has the best genetics based on what you have seen personally or through t.v. �??Come on it can just be by chance African Americans tend to be better at sports, and Russians tend to do well in strength sports-
[/quote]
African Americans but strength wise I do not know. From what I heard Africans have a high insertions in their calves causing them to obtain more elastic energy causing them to jump high and run quick. That does not mean that NFL players have just that. They get bloody strong making them run even quicker.
[quote]newbatman wrote:
Bill Roberts wrote:
PublickStews wrote:
From my experience, the only people who obsess about “black genetics” are white kids looking to excuse their own inferiority and lack of hard work. Keep in mind that there is on average more genetic variety within races than between races.
Really? You mean you have actually met lots of people such as you describe? And/or read lots of posts from people fitting that description?
Funny, I’ve never either met any such person or seen a single post that seemed to me to fit that category.
Publickstews honest
Bill Roberts liar[/quote]
I suppose I have to write this in language at your level:
newbatman stupid piece of shit
[quote]newbatman wrote:
Nikhil Rao wrote:
As for the issue of working out or otherwise being engaged in muscular activities passing down, it’s actually possible that it might through a process called DNA methylation.
Probably the most famous example is the thrifty phenotype (google it), but examples are being found all over the place relating to metabolism, immunity, and even intelligence. Why not strength?
everything you said was incorrect…
and the studies you referred to were ridiculous media pleasers…
the differences you spoke of are all cultural and environmental…
anyone with any genetics or biology understanding knows that no gene is linked to any other gene and this is really the end of all arguements on racial differences OR EVEN RACE BEING LINKED SKIN / DERMAL / HAIR PHENOTYPE
[/quote]
Again, to express it so it’s on your level and there’s a chance of you perhaps understanding the statement (there is no chance of your understanding this subject):
newbatman ignoramus
Or actually that may be beyond your level. Let’s try again:
newbatman ignorant fool
Goodbye.
[quote]question4seller wrote:
You morons are uneducated, you have the internet so do your research. Black people are the fastest sprinters and naturally tall and they will do well in sports which a short burst of speed or height is the most beneficial (basketball, footbal and sometimes boxing were the faster guy usually wins).
White people on the other hand are the strongest in the world. 9 out of 10 strongest people in the world are always from Europe, not to mention best in gymnastics, up there in soccer, real wrestling olympics endurance etc…
Best genetics are determined by this though…
Blacks have the highest heart disease, lung disease ( 1 out of 2 blcks have some form of asthma), highest genetic diseases, birth problems, mental problems, highest obesity, shortest life spans and have a much lower iq on average compared to whites etc.
White people and Asians have the best genetics when it comes to the problems stated above, and over 90% of the people that have helped humanity move thousands of years forward are of european descent.
It’s no accident whithe people have influenced/dominated the world for over 2500 years, and if it wasnt for whites most of you other nationalities would still be swinging from trees, having life spans of 20 years, dieing of todays easily curable diseases, hunger etc… Just look at Africa were white people have had the least ammount of influence to see what life would be like if it werent for white people.
Sure some unpleasant things also came out of all the good Whites have contributed to the world, but it sure could have been much worse.[/quote]
Here’s a good book you should probably read:
Guns, Germs and Steel by Jared diamond.
It attempts to explain why Eurasian civilizations, as a whole, have survived and conquered others, while attempting to refute the belief that Eurasian hegemony is due to any form of Eurasian intellectual, moral, or inherent genetic superiority.
It makes a very good case for it being exactly an accident or at least really good luck.
the best genetics are from the people who want it the most, who will stop at NOTHING to be the best at what they do, they work their asses off. why am i not the best? i dont wanna put in the sprints, coordinaton drills, and do all it takes to be #1
This one is particularly funny, white people have been fucking up africa for decades.