[quote]AlphaDragon wrote:
So…going with this “bodyweight chin/pulls don’t add size” thing:
Would you all say weighted chins/pulls would do the trick? [/quote]
Hell yeah. Weighted pulls rock.
I recently started doing this…
I do chins and pulls during my winter/strength sessions…
I do pull downs during my summer/vanity sessions…
[quote]BarneyFife wrote:
Arnold Schwarzenneger always did 50 wide grip pull ups. if it took him 50 sets, or if it took him one, he always did 50 pull ups. If you look in his encyclopedia of bodybuilding, you will find that the chin-up was a well known excercise.
The marines looovvvveee pull ups and chin ups. I don’t want to sound rude, but I hope that some people are not justifying the fact that they cant do chin-ups by saying it doesn’t build the back very effectively. That would be like me saying that I dont squat, but thats ok because the leg press has more weight potential.[/quote]
Yeah that encyclopedia of his is great for building muscle. Not! Anyway, gotta go, let’s keep this thread going. There is still alot of debating left…
Seems like it’s over, to me.
Bodyweight chins/pulls for high reps=limiting
Weighted chins/pulls for “standard” reps=beneficial.
Unless I missed something (which is usually the case).
im surprised X hasnt posted with all thise function strength garbage floating around,
there is no such thing, god dammit lol if you can move 500 pounds with a lat pull down that is still “functional”
The last couple of weeks I have been working on increasing my chin-ups and pull-ups. My goal is 20 chin-ups and 10 pull-ups. Right now I using a machine to offset my weight and do 3 sets of 15 reps.
I am a female powerlifter. Do you think having chin-ups and pull-ups in my workouts are a waste of time or will it benefit my bench? I trained hard for 6 months and my bench only went up 15 lbs so I am trying to change my workout. I thought adding pull-ups might help. I am not sure what will work but I do know what didn’t.
i dont really do chins/pulls because i cant really do as much reps as i suppose to, to call it a set.I can only pull/ chin myself up is 2 times and thats good for me becuase 270 is alot of weight.
I superset BW pulls with overhead pressing. A great shoulder workout. It will make your bench go up. CVP are you listening?
[quote]cvb wrote:
The last couple of weeks I have been working on increasing my chin-ups and pull-ups. My goal is 20 chin-ups and 10 pull-ups. Right now I using a machine to offset my weight and do 3 sets of 15 reps.
I am a female powerlifter. Do you think having chin-ups and pull-ups in my workouts are a waste of time or will it benefit my bench? I trained hard for 6 months and my bench only went up 15 lbs so I am trying to change my workout. I thought adding pull-ups might help. I am not sure what will work but I do know what didn’t.
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I don’t see it helping your bench directly but it will help you avoid an imbalance and possible injury.
What other back work do you do?
I have noticed personally that bent-over rows do more to add mass to my back than chin-ups or pull-ups.
I think a good back workout which hits the biceps more in the later part of the workout would be similar to something I tried Sat Morning.
Warm up
1x15,1x12,1x8(ish) reps Seated Pullover Machine
(this particular one was John Citrone’s Panata brand, but its like Nautilus style)
Barbell rows using a Smith, the reason for using the Smith is its easier to hit the back more directly without the extra movement from free bar, one of the few uses of a Smith.
1x10,1x8,1x8 ish
Shoulder width supinated pulls 2 sets of whatever you can do without weight.
That kind of has a heirarchy of arm involvement in a sort of way.
using the smith for rows? you cant even row with a smith, the bar moves your body, instead of you moving the bar i have no idea how you could row well in a smith machine
but hey if you like the smith machine go nuts, more room for others at your gym
[quote]Bad John wrote:
I superset BW pulls with overhead pressing. A great shoulder workout. It will make your bench go up. CVP are you listening? [/quote]
Thanks John, I will try that. I usually superset the pullups with the pec fly machine because they are close together.
[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
cvb wrote:
The last couple of weeks I have been working on increasing my chin-ups and pull-ups. My goal is 20 chin-ups and 10 pull-ups. Right now I using a machine to offset my weight and do 3 sets of 15 reps.
I am a female powerlifter. Do you think having chin-ups and pull-ups in my workouts are a waste of time or will it benefit my bench? I trained hard for 6 months and my bench only went up 15 lbs so I am trying to change my workout. I thought adding pull-ups might help. I am not sure what will work but I do know what didn’t.
I don’t see it helping your bench directly but it will help you avoid an imbalance and possible injury.
What other back work do you do?[/quote]
For lats - hammer strength row, cable row, lat pulldown, barbell row, and single arm row. I work my lats twice a week and mix up the exercises.
lower back -reverse hypers, cable pull thru, rack pulls, romanian deadlifts and back ext. I work my lower back twice a week and mix up the exercises.
I was following WSB. I have only competed in a bench meet in the 148 lb weight class. I benched 160 lb with shirt.
My raw numbers:
bench - 150lb
dl - 210lb
squat -165lb
Claire
My current program has me doing both. Did chins today and really tried to recognize what was giving out first - my arms or back. It was definately my back.
My first trainer was an ex-marine ( huge arms and back ) and he could pound out pulls. When he had me start doing them his exact quote was, “chicks who do pull-ups look badass and they will carve out your back”.
[quote]john-lennon wrote:
using the smith for rows? you cant even row with a smith, the bar moves your body, instead of you moving the bar i have no idea how you could row well in a smith machine
but hey if you like the smith machine go nuts, more room for others at your gym [/quote]
You gotta be kidding me, right? It isn’t rocket science. And how does it move your body?
This whole anti-smith machine for every concievable movement is getting very annoying. The machine has its benefits. Not to the point of how often some people use it, but still.
you have to stand in some queer position over the smith bar to get it to move where you want it to go, which is what i mean by adjusting you. i know icant really pull the bar into my gut on a smith unless you were bent 90 degreees right over the damned thing. and yeah im anti smith machine its horrible form and it assists way to much. why cant you just do a barbell row? or even a cable row or something? and if you squat in the smith machine… wow…
[quote]john-lennon wrote:
you have to stand in some queer position over the smith bar to get it to move where you want it to go, which is what i mean by adjusting you. i know icant really pull the bar into my gut on a smith unless you were bent 90 degreees right over the damned thing. and yeah im anti smith machine its horrible form and it assists way to much. why cant you just do a barbell row? or even a cable row or something? and if you squat in the smith machine… wow… [/quote]
There is an extreme hatred for machines as well as isolation exercises in general on this site, to the point where some think that they can’t be used effectively in a training program, which is bullshit.
I am not saying that it should be used everyday, I am not saying that freeweights should not be used. 90% of everyone of my routines are based around freewights, but making a blanket statement that these machines cannot be used effectively is extremely short sighted.
I should say that in general, the more advanced you become with your training, the more machines should be incorporated.
[quote]AG1 wrote:
My current program has me doing both. Did chins today and really tried to recognize what was giving out first - my arms or back. It was definately my back.
My first trainer was an ex-marine ( huge arms and back ) and he could pound out pulls. When he had me start doing them his exact quote was, “chicks who do pull-ups look badass and they will carve out your back”.[/quote]
How often do you do chins and pullups? I tried a pullup with my body weight today and was able to do one. Last week I wasn’t able to do any.
Wow, an actual thread bashing the pull-up/chin-up.
So much I could say, but I’ll leave at this:
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