Who Came Up with the Bench Shirt?

[Wrah]

[quote]brauny96 wrote:
gambit10 wrote:
Can someone please explain to me who came up with the idea of using a bench shirt to help press more weight? I recently entered a local contest combo bench and deadlift. I lost to a guy benching almost 150 lb more than me by using a bench shirt.He was much stronger than me because I have sand in my vag and I suck big hairy black/asian dick. I also lost my virginity to my mom.

fixed for accuracy.

“bench shirts are designed to keep the lifter safe and more secure while he is lifting”
-Dave Tate[/quote]

And in case of disaster, the extra weight is designed to kill the lifter painlessly.

[BlackLabel]

This guy was in the equipped division whyll you were in the raw( im assuming, if they combined the two thats just retarded). So you technically didnt lose.

[BlackLabel]

[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
Being about “big fucking numbers” is indirectly agreeing with the assertion that you’re insecure[/quote]

Sorry to get off subject but are bodybuilders “insecure” because they want big fucking muscles. I certainly dont think so.

Im not trying to turn this into a debate about BB/PLing, so dont go there.

[caveman101]

it is one of those inventions that are just weird though - would you have a thought process that goes “i want to bench more, hmm, i know!, i will wear a large, extremely uncomftable thick tight shirt, that should do the trick!”?
i still cant figure out how somebody invented glass. i know i could look it up, but the person who invented it could hardly use wikipedia could they.
i guess its people like that who change the world.

[rrjc5488]

[quote]caveman101 wrote:
would you have a thought process that goes “i want to bench more, hmm, i know!, i will wear a large, extremely uncomftable thick tight shirt, that should do the trick!”?
[/quote]

Yeah, it was probably something like that.

Probably similar to how race car drivers had a thought process that said “I’m going to put low profile, grippy tires on my car, pair it with an extremely stiff suspension, design the body to create extreme levels of downforce so I can experience eyeball turning G-forces, and pair it with a whiplash inducing high powered engine so I can have faster lap times. While I’m at it, I’ll get rid of this heavy seat I’m sitting in and replace it with a lighter, harder carbon fiber one. I’ll also get rid of the A/C and radio unit, too.”

If someone’s got a passion for something and is willing to push their body as far as they can, they’re not worried about being as comfortable as possible at all waking hours.

It’s kind of similar to that doofy armor suit you’re wearing. Surely it’s not comfortable, but those are the measures you have to go to to impress all the ladies and get laid.

[chrisarmes]

[quote]rrjc5488 wrote:
WhiteFlash wrote:
Of course I understand it’s about “big fucking numbers”.

See, the thing is, you really don’t.

Being about “big fucking numbers” is indirectly agreeing with the assertion that that means you’re insecure.

No, it’s not. Posting a thread on here bitching and moaning about people benching more than he does because his opponent was wearing a bench shirt (in a geared competition, no less) is insecure. I don’t lift weights for anyone other than myself. Just because I want to lift “big fucking numbers” doesn’t mean I’m lifting them for anyone else.

And using the RB from USC makes no sense.

Yeah, me bringing up a guy who nearly died after dropping a loaded barbell on his throat “makes no sense” after YOU mentioned being on the brink of a “near fatal accident.”

Accidents happen randomly, but holding several hundred pounds over your face that you wouldn’t be able to otherwise is seemingly asking for trouble.

No, it’s really not. “That you wouldn’t be able to otherwise.” What the fuck do you even mean? Do you really think there are powerlifters out there who bench 500 in a shirt and then think they can do that raw, too? If you can bench 500 in a shirt, you can bench 500 in a shirt. It’s as simple as that.

If you agree that accidents happen randomly, then what the fuck’s the difference if you bench raw or shirted? Shit can happen either way. Also, since you’re on this “it’s dangerous” kick, every rep I do in a shirt I have three spotters around me that can, will, and have caught the bar before it comes crashing down on me.

I personally only know one person who’s used a shirt and he got about 150lbs out of it. But, I’ve read of quite a few people who get 300 or so out of their shirts. Shit, I don’t care if it’s just 100lbs. That’s a lot of extra weight.

I read a lot of things on the internet, too. It’s all true.
[/quote]

Getting huge carryover out of a shirt takes alot of practice (or in my case, the dumb luck of having a shirt that follows your natural groove exactly). Ive offered several former teammates who say the shirt does all the work the opportunity to put my shirt on, and try what ive done, and see whether the “Magic shirt” is doing the whole lift.

I’m no world champion, nor am i likely to be one any time soon barring a miracle of biblical proportions. I know what i do in a shirt is only respected by other powerlifters, and could give two flying shits what some guy who thinks that shirts are cheating thinks about what i do. ever notice how geared lifters rarely talk shit about you raw guys? could it be because we’ve done what you do, and have a respect for it?

Maybe try a shirt once or twice before you decide to run your mouth about us, you might have a change of heart, or eat a big mouthful of humble pie.

If benching huge in shirts was so goddamn easy, why isn’t everyone benching 1075 like Kennelly? I mean, we all have access to the same gear? could it be that the shirts help, sometimes a fair ammount, but the actual lifter’s strength is the limiting factor?!?! Perish the thought!

Iunno guys, i say TSB, anyone else agree?

[Stronghold]

[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
rrjc5488 wrote:
WhiteFlash wrote:
rrjc5488 wrote:
musicma1n1 wrote:
There’s no need to be rude guys.

Yes there is. When someone comes into a PL forum (of which there are MANY geared lifters) and basically infers that people who lift in gear are too insecure to lift raw and get smaller numbers, there is a reason to be rude in response.

I’m not trying to be an ass, but what other reason is there? Also, maybe the op didn’t know about bench shirts until after.

I respect how much work goes in to mastering the gear and understand that the shirt/suit by itself ain’t doin’ shit, but if you take a guy who benches 315 raw and 495 in a shirt then it should be understood that the shirt is doing an awful lot of the work. With the weight some of the lifters are getting out of their gear [300+ on a bench] it seems like we’re right around the corner from a fatal accident.

I’m not trying to be an ass, either, but if you don’t get it, you probably never will.

It’s not an insecurity thing, it’s about big fucking numbers. No one ever said a shirt doesn’t help. No one ever said that the shirt doesn’t do ‘a lot’ of work.

That said, who the hell is getting 300+ lbs out of a bench shirt other than guys like Mendelson, Luyando, and Kenelly?

I get about 75-100lbs out of my single ply katana.

If someone outside of powerlifting asks me how much I bench, I’ll tell them 340. Which is how much I’ve done raw, off my chest. If a fellow PLer asks me how much I bench, I tell them 430 in a katana.

Right around the corner from a fatal accident? Tell that to the guy at USC who dropped the barbell on his throat. Good thing he was benching raw.

Of course I understand it’s about “big fucking numbers”. Being about “big fucking numbers” is indirectly agreeing with the assertion that you’re insecure. And using the RB from USC makes no sense. Accidents happen randomly, but holding several hundred pounds over your face that you wouldn’t be able to otherwise is seemingly asking for trouble. I personally only know one person who’s used a shirt and he got about 150lbs out of it. But, I’ve read of quite a few people who get 300 or so out of their shirts. Shit, I don’t care if it’s just 100lbs. That’s a lot of extra weight.[/quote]

Since when does wanting to win make you insecure? Here’s how it is. The best powerlifters in the world compete equipped. IPF, Multiply, it doesn’t matter, they all lift in gear. You can either “stay raw bro” and be one of 2 lifters doing so at a meet and compete in a stagnant sport (raw powerlifting) with records that, largely, have stood since the 1970’s, or you can lift in gear with the best in the world.

You don’t get it.

[chrisarmes]

[quote]Stronghold wrote:
Since when does wanting to win make you insecure? Here’s how it is. The best powerlifters in the world compete equipped. IPF, Multiply, it doesn’t matter, they all lift in gear. You can either “stay raw bro” and be one of 2 lifters doing so at a meet and compete in a stagnant sport (raw powerlifting) with records that, largely, have stood since the 1970’s, or you can lift in gear with the best in the world.

You don’t get it.[/quote]

Ah the 70’s. when powerlifting was less about fancy gear, and more about tennis balls behind your knees, wrapping yourself in bedsheets and a boatload of (then perfectly legal) drugs. yep, powerlifting was pure then

Listen, sport is sport. They will adapt and change as technology does. The purity of sport crap has gotta stop. sports in general, including this one, have never been pure, so don’t act like the new gear is destroying the purity of the sport.

Just out of interest, OP. Given the tone of your posts (across the 2 identical threads about this topic ive seen today) I gotta ask… sean katterle… is that you dude? be honest

[power_bulker]

Can someone please explain to me who came up with the idea of wearing spikes during the 100m? I recently entered a local track meet. I lost to a guy who ran 2.34 seconds faster than me by wearing spikes. I have read about guys running 0.7s faster using spikes, and for the life of me I cant figure out what that proves. How is this not cheating.

Get yourself in bare feet and just SPRINT. Can someone who sprints explain to me how wearing spikes to set records they could not do without it makes sense?

[WhiteFlash]

Wow, a bunch of people got butt hurt by what I wrote. I already wrote that I’m aware that the shirt/suit doesn’t do the work for you, so stop crying people. But, if you’re getting over 24% of your raw weight out of a shirt that seems like a recipe for disaster. You can’t always rely on spotters to save your ass when that bar springs off your chest, it gets away from you and it starts rolling back. The invention of the shirt was to protect the lifter and had maybe a 20lb carryover. But, like anything else people figured out how to manipulate it to make themselves look better than they would otherwise. Ya’ll can bitch and moan all you want but shirts and suits are getting way out of hand. I mean the wr bench is higher than the wr dead for christsakes.

Also, to the idiot comparing track spikes to gear: It’s a shoe dickhead. Last I checked you have to wear shoes in a powerlifting meet just like you do in a track meet. A more apt comparison would be a 100m sprinter vs a nascar driver. They’re both racing, but the nascar driver is getting a lot mre out of his “gear” than the sprinter.

[rrjc5488]

[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
Wow, a bunch of people got butt hurt by what I wrote.
[/quote]

No one’s butt-hurt, you’re just a fuckwit who’s talking out of his ass.

I already wrote that I’m aware that the shirt/suit doesn’t do the work for you, so stop crying people.

You’re supporting the idea. The OP wrote “get under the bar and lift” as if we hear “the bar is loaded” at meets, then we gently place the shirt on the bench, step off the platform, and watch the shirt bench for us.

But, if you’re getting over 24% of your raw weight out of a shirt that seems like a recipe for disaster.

But 23% is safe? What in the fuck are you talking about? Where did you even come up with that number?

You can’t always rely on spotters to save your ass when that bar springs off your chest, it gets away from you and it starts rolling back.

Yes, yes I can.

The invention of the shirt was to protect the lifter and had maybe a 20lb carryover.

First you said you’ve only known one person who’s used a shirt, and now you’re a powerlifting gear expert?

But, like anything else people figured out how to manipulate it to make themselves look better than they would otherwise.

If it’s “like anything else” then why is it such a big deal? I’m sure you thought you’d make yourself look better with that sweet tribal armband tattoo you have.

Ya’ll can bitch and moan all you want but shirts and suits are getting way out of hand.

The only people here who are bitching and moaning are you and the OP. As for “getting way out of hand,” that’s your [pussified] opinion.

I mean the wr bench is higher than the wr dead for christsakes.

What the fuck is your point? You get more out of a bench shirt than you do a deadlift suit. Get over it.

Also, to the idiot comparing track spikes to gear: It’s a shoe dickhead. Last I checked you have to wear shoes in a powerlifting meet just like you do in a track meet.

No, it’s a perfect comparison, dickhead. You can run in a track meet wearing Nike frees, if you’d like, but if you wear track spikes, you have an edge and you’re going to have a better time.

Just like I could squat in my Nike frees, but I’d rather squat in my Chucks so I can spread the floor and get a bigger squat.

[quote]
A more apt comparison would be a 100m sprinter vs a nascar driver. They’re both racing, but the nascar driver is getting a lot mre out of his “gear” than the sprinter.[/quote]

No, that would be like comparing a butterfly to an AK-47. Completely unrelated.

Are you really that butt-hurt that people lift more in gear than you do raw? Because if so, I’ll let you in on a little secret; There are people out there who can lift more raw than you can raw.

Fuck.

[coffee]

[quote]Stronghold wrote:
WhiteFlash wrote:
rrjc5488 wrote:
WhiteFlash wrote:
rrjc5488 wrote:
musicma1n1 wrote:
There’s no need to be rude guys.

Yes there is. When someone comes into a PL forum (of which there are MANY geared lifters) and basically infers that people who lift in gear are too insecure to lift raw and get smaller numbers, there is a reason to be rude in response.

I’m not trying to be an ass, but what other reason is there? Also, maybe the op didn’t know about bench shirts until after.

I respect how much work goes in to mastering the gear and understand that the shirt/suit by itself ain’t doin’ shit, but if you take a guy who benches 315 raw and 495 in a shirt then it should be understood that the shirt is doing an awful lot of the work. With the weight some of the lifters are getting out of their gear [300+ on a bench] it seems like we’re right around the corner from a fatal accident.

I’m not trying to be an ass, either, but if you don’t get it, you probably never will.

It’s not an insecurity thing, it’s about big fucking numbers. No one ever said a shirt doesn’t help. No one ever said that the shirt doesn’t do ‘a lot’ of work.

That said, who the hell is getting 300+ lbs out of a bench shirt other than guys like Mendelson, Luyando, and Kenelly?

I get about 75-100lbs out of my single ply katana.

If someone outside of powerlifting asks me how much I bench, I’ll tell them 340. Which is how much I’ve done raw, off my chest. If a fellow PLer asks me how much I bench, I tell them 430 in a katana.

Right around the corner from a fatal accident? Tell that to the guy at USC who dropped the barbell on his throat. Good thing he was benching raw.

Of course I understand it’s about “big fucking numbers”. Being about “big fucking numbers” is indirectly agreeing with the assertion that you’re insecure. And using the RB from USC makes no sense. Accidents happen randomly, but holding several hundred pounds over your face that you wouldn’t be able to otherwise is seemingly asking for trouble. I personally only know one person who’s used a shirt and he got about 150lbs out of it. But, I’ve read of quite a few people who get 300 or so out of their shirts. Shit, I don’t care if it’s just 100lbs. That’s a lot of extra weight.

Since when does wanting to win make you insecure? Here’s how it is. The best powerlifters in the world compete equipped. IPF, Multiply, it doesn’t matter, they all lift in gear. You can either “stay raw bro” and be one of 2 lifters doing so at a meet and compete in a stagnant sport (raw powerlifting) with records that, largely, have stood since the 1970’s, or you can lift in gear with the best in the world.

You don’t get it.[/quote]

Have you checked out the Raw Unity meet or USAPL raw worlds or WPC raw division lately? The best Powerlifters in the world also compete raw. If you can’t compete with the best in the world at either sport than maybe you should just be quiet?

[ALKoHoLiK]

[quote]rrjc5488 wrote:
caveman101 wrote:
would you have a thought process that goes “i want to bench more, hmm, i know!, i will wear a large, extremely uncomftable thick tight shirt, that should do the trick!”?

Yeah, it was probably something like that.

Probably similar to how race car drivers had a thought process that said “I’m going to put low profile, grippy tires on my car, pair it with an extremely stiff suspension, design the body to create extreme levels of downforce so I can experience eyeball turning G-forces, and pair it with a whiplash inducing high powered engine so I can have faster lap times. While I’m at it, I’ll get rid of this heavy seat I’m sitting in and replace it with a lighter, harder carbon fiber one. I’ll also get rid of the A/C and radio unit, too.”

If someone’s got a passion for something and is willing to push their body as far as they can, they’re not worried about being as comfortable as possible at all waking hours.

It’s kind of similar to that doofy armor suit you’re wearing. Surely it’s not comfortable, but those are the measures you have to go to to impress all the ladies and get laid.[/quote]

x2. Tho I don’t ever want or feel the need to compete geared, I see why they do it. Like you touched on with the race car driving, does the OP really think that Richard Petty is calling Jimmy Johnson a pussy because he is safer/faster in his Lowes car, then when Richard was in the STP? Especially since they added all the Equipement, governors and other shit?

Plus to me it is retarded for you to compete in a geared meet, then complain how you lost because you didn’t wear gear. Actually that is completely fucking retarded.

[rrjc5488]

[quote]coffee wrote:
Have you checked out the Raw Unity meet or USAPL raw worlds or WPC raw division lately? The best Powerlifters in the world also compete raw. If you can’t compete with the best in the world at either sport than maybe you should just be quiet?[/quote]

I don’t know why stronghold even brought that up. Surely there are world records in the raw division, as it’s some peoples choice to compete raw. But then again it’s some peoples choice to compete geared.

Is that really that hard to understand?

[Hanley]

So… out of the current crop of top raw and equipped lifters, who’s slagging each other?

[Stronghold]

[quote]chrisarmes wrote:

Just out of interest, OP. Given the tone of your posts (across the 2 identical threads about this topic ive seen today) I gotta ask… sean katterle… is that you dude? be honest

[/quote]

Nah, he said he did a meet. Couldn’t be Katterle

[Stronghold]

[quote]rrjc5488 wrote:
coffee wrote:
Have you checked out the Raw Unity meet or USAPL raw worlds or WPC raw division lately? The best Powerlifters in the world also compete raw. If you can’t compete with the best in the world at either sport than maybe you should just be quiet?

I don’t know why stronghold even brought that up. Surely there are world records in the raw division, as it’s some peoples choice to compete raw. But then again it’s some peoples choice to compete geared.

Is that really that hard to understand?
[/quote]

Raw Unity is invitation-only and strong people generally do not compete raw in this area unless it is in USAPL or some backyard federation. My point was that I prefer multiply because my other options are to compete as the sole raw lifter in the local APF meets or to compete in USAPL, which I refuse to do because I think the meets are boring and the judging and rules are ridiculous. Since multiply is where the competition is, then I’m going to wear what the competition wears.

[quote]Hanley wrote:
So… out of the current crop of top raw and equipped lifters, who’s slagging each other?[/quote]

None of them. They leave it up to trolls like this guy and Sean Katterle.

[DixiesFinest]

[quote]power_bulker wrote:
Can someone please explain to me who came up with the idea of wearing spikes during the 100m? I recently entered a local track meet. I lost to a guy who ran 2.34 seconds faster than me by wearing spikes. I have read about guys running 0.7s faster using spikes, and for the life of me I cant figure out what that proves. How is this not cheating.

Get yourself in bare feet and just SPRINT. Can someone who sprints explain to me how wearing spikes to set records they could not do without it makes sense?
[/quote]

I see what you did there.

[WhiteFlash]

[quote]rrjc5488 wrote:
WhiteFlash wrote:
Wow, a bunch of people got butt hurt by what I wrote.

No one’s butt-hurt, you’re just a fuckwit who’s talking out of his ass.

I already wrote that I’m aware that the shirt/suit doesn’t do the work for you, so stop crying people.

You’re supporting the idea. The OP wrote “get under the bar and lift” as if we hear “the bar is loaded” at meets, then we gently place the shirt on the bench, step off the platform, and watch the shirt bench for us.

But, if you’re getting over 24% of your raw weight out of a shirt that seems like a recipe for disaster.

But 23% is safe? What in the fuck are you talking about? Where did you even come up with that number?

You can’t always rely on spotters to save your ass when that bar springs off your chest, it gets away from you and it starts rolling back.

Yes, yes I can.

The invention of the shirt was to protect the lifter and had maybe a 20lb carryover.

First you said you’ve only known one person who’s used a shirt, and now you’re a powerlifting gear expert?

But, like anything else people figured out how to manipulate it to make themselves look better than they would otherwise.

If it’s “like anything else” then why is it such a big deal? I’m sure you thought you’d make yourself look better with that sweet tribal armband tattoo you have.

Ya’ll can bitch and moan all you want but shirts and suits are getting way out of hand.

The only people here who are bitching and moaning are you and the OP. As for “getting way out of hand,” that’s your [pussified] opinion.

I mean the wr bench is higher than the wr dead for christsakes.

What the fuck is your point? You get more out of a bench shirt than you do a deadlift suit. Get over it.

Also, to the idiot comparing track spikes to gear: It’s a shoe dickhead. Last I checked you have to wear shoes in a powerlifting meet just like you do in a track meet.

No, it’s a perfect comparison, dickhead. You can run in a track meet wearing Nike frees, if you’d like, but if you wear track spikes, you have an edge and you’re going to have a better time.

Just like I could squat in my Nike frees, but I’d rather squat in my Chucks so I can spread the floor and get a bigger squat.

A more apt comparison would be a 100m sprinter vs a nascar driver. They’re both racing, but the nascar driver is getting a lot mre out of his “gear” than the sprinter.

No, that would be like comparing a butterfly to an AK-47. Completely unrelated.

Are you really that butt-hurt that people lift more in gear than you do raw? Because if so, I’ll let you in on a little secret; There are people out there who can lift more raw than you can raw.

Fuck.[/quote]

First off, I meant to write 25%. Guess I hit the wrong key. Secondly dickhead, that’s not a “sweet tribal armband tattoo”, it’s my deceased sister and grandmothers names. I’m not butt-hurt at all that people can hit more in gear. I’m impressed with anyone who handles over 800lbs in anything in any fashion. I just think relying so much on gear or attentive spotters is playing with fire. You ask what my point is about the wr bench/dead comparison? I already expressed my point moron. It’s that the gear is getting out of hand. The nascar/sprinter comparison makes total sense, you’re just too fucking defensive to acknowledge it. Same “sport”, one just uses a lot more gear. And, if you don’t believe me about the origin of the bench shirt, look it up.

[rrjc5488]

[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
First off, I meant to write 25%. Guess I hit the wrong key.
[/quote]

Who the fuck cares how much you get out of them? If you lift in a geared competition, every lifter has the opportunity to wear the same gear.

Secondly dickhead, that’s not a “sweet tribal armband tattoo”, it’s my deceased sister and grandmothers names.

My bad.

I’m not butt-hurt at all that people can hit more in gear.

You certainly seem like it.

I’m impressed with anyone who handles over 800lbs in anything in any fashion.

Then say “wow, that’s impressive.” NOT “Wow, that’s impressive, but the gear… ehhhh”

I just think relying so much on gear or attentive spotters is playing with fire.

Like I said, that’s what you think. And well, it’s a pretty pussified opinion. In my opinion, of course.

Why don’t you stop worrying about what YOU think is safe/unsafe for OTHER LIFTERS who want to lift in gear? Every powerlifter who competes knows full well something could go wrong under any amount of weight, regardless of what gear they’re wearing or not wearing.

You ask what my point is about the wr bench/dead comparison? I already expressed my point moron.

Your point is that the WR bench is bigger than the WR deadlift? That’s it?

It’s that the gear is getting out of hand. The nascar/sprinter comparison makes total sense, you’re just too fucking defensive to acknowledge it.

No, it’s a stupid fucking comparison because there aren’t races where 100m sprinters race against nascar race cars in official, governed competitions. There ARE races between 100m sprinters in sneakers and 100m sprinters in spikes. Check out any HS level meet. Not everyone wears them, but they have the option to.

On a more relevant note, there are competitions between geared lifters and other geared lifters, as there are competitions between raw lifters and other raw lifters. OP decided to lift in an equipped meet and lost because he was competing raw. The others weren’t cheating, they were well within the rules. I mean, fuck, was he expecting to win a geared competition raw?

[quote]
And, if you don’t believe me about the origin of the bench shirt, look it up.[/quote]

First of all, I never said you were wrong. Secondly, I don’t give a flying fuck about the origin of the bench shirt. It’s evolved to what it is today.

The origin of the automobile was to get from point A to point B quickly. Now we have 250+ mph cars. Are you going to complain about those, too?

Have you ever even competed in a meet? Why don’t you just let the people who do compete and govern the sport decide “what’s getting out of hand,” instead of sitting behind your computer desk and making that decision for us. Fuck, maybe PL equipment will get so out of hand that we’ll all get hurt and die from it. There’ll be less of us to have this argument with you.