Which Martial Art?

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[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
Lorisco wrote:

FightinIrish26,

Dude, I agree with repetitive training. I also agree in the idea that your reactions take over in fight. However, my point was that you must learn to control your fear our your reactions don’t work. Well, they work, just not very well. For example, this idea has been tested with a group of Karate practitioners. In a fearful situation they did react in defense, but their reactions were not effective. In other words, they punched, but missed, etc. They had not trained to hit someone with full force. They had trained pulling their blows. So in an actual fight their depth perception was off.

I can agree with that. That’s why I always hated tournaments- it is stupid to “spar” with someone else with the type of art I train in. If it’s meant to fucking kill, don’t tell me I can’t hit someone in the face and have to pull my punches. That’s why I box also- there isn’t enough work on hitting moving targets for my liking in Gojuryu. However, the defensive tactics and standing grappling moves are priceless.

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This is why people think that grappling is so much better than striking arts; because you can practice full force grappling, but it is difficult to practice full force striking with a moving target.

To some extent I agree with this in that the throwing part (takedowns) is very effective on the street as long as you don’t go down with them.

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So I agree with most of what you stated. Just that for reaction training to be effective it cannot be Kata or anything that does not allow for full force practice.

I disagree. It’s the same reason why boxers shadow box- you begin to become fluid in the movements, and it becomes natural to follow a jab with a lead hook. It’s not as good as using a heavy bag, but it will reinforce the movement patterns. And repetition is what makes any martial art work.[/quote]

I guess it would depend on the art. If your art is defensive (wait for attack and then respond) Kata may train the movements, but will not train the depth perception needed to make it work with a live target. But if your art is offensive (strike before getting hit; i.e. boxing or JKD) then speed bag, heavy bag, and Kata would be effective, because it doesn’t rely on another persons action or timing as much.

Oh, by the way, I’m a Brown belt in Wing Chun (Sash) and Aikido. I have also taken Kung Fu San Soo.

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As with many things in martial arts there can be a time and place for everything. There can be a time and place for going all out but there also can be a time for using various levels of control.

Even in MMA there is a certain level of control that is expected from each fighter, ie no biting, no eye gouges, no groin shots etc…

You have to apply the concept of yin and yang to dojo training. Sparring with no contact can be of little benefit but also going all out all the time can be damaging.

The thing you want to do is learn without getting all tore up, otherwise you defeat the purpose of learning self defense.

There can be times when you do want to back off the intensity with your sparring. What I have obseved is that people who only fight hard tend to get one or two things they are deadly at but they never get really good at much else, because they are fighting too hard to be taking risks trying out new things.

You don’t have to be going all out to practice things like timing and range. Besides pulling punches can be a very important skill in a real fight. I have seen more than one arm broken from a hard block. The ability to stop on a dime and change direction is an important skill that should not be dismissed. It can save you from over committing on a blow and getting yourself into trouble.

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[quote]Sifu wrote:
As with many things in martial arts there can be a time and place for everything. There can be a time and place for going all out but there also can be a time for using various levels of control.

Even in MMA there is a certain level of control that is expected from each fighter, ie no biting, no eye gouges, no groin shots etc…

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Excactly. And if your style is meant to seriously injure someone, it won’t be the best for sport fighting. I think people underestimate this.

I have been rolling with people, and even if they have you in a triangle, the odds are you can snake a shot to the throat, or certainly try to rip their dick off. Don’t even get me started on eye gouging, which BJJ, I think, is very vulnerable too.

That’s streetfighting, not sports. Some folks never understand the difference.

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[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
Sifu wrote:
As with many things in martial arts there can be a time and place for everything. There can be a time and place for going all out but there also can be a time for using various levels of control.

Even in MMA there is a certain level of control that is expected from each fighter, ie no biting, no eye gouges, no groin shots etc…

Excactly. And if your style is meant to seriously injure someone, it won’t be the best for sport fighting. I think people underestimate this.

I have been rolling with people, and even if they have you in a triangle, the odds are you can snake a shot to the throat, or certainly try to rip their dick off. Don’t even get me started on eye gouging, which BJJ, I think, is very vulnerable too.

That’s streetfighting, not sports. Some folks never understand the difference.[/quote]

Have someone put you in a triangle and then tell me who is in better position to eye gouge, the dude with one arm trapped across his neck and the other blocked by the other dude’s leg, or the guy with both of his arms free.

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[quote]slimjim wrote:
FightinIrish26 wrote:
Sifu wrote:
As with many things in martial arts there can be a time and place for everything. There can be a time and place for going all out but there also can be a time for using various levels of control.

Even in MMA there is a certain level of control that is expected from each fighter, ie no biting, no eye gouges, no groin shots etc…

Excactly. And if your style is meant to seriously injure someone, it won’t be the best for sport fighting. I think people underestimate this.

I have been rolling with people, and even if they have you in a triangle, the odds are you can snake a shot to the throat, or certainly try to rip their dick off. Don’t even get me started on eye gouging, which BJJ, I think, is very vulnerable too.

That’s streetfighting, not sports. Some folks never understand the difference.

Have someone put you in a triangle and then tell me who is in better position to eye gouge, the dude with one arm trapped across his neck and the other blocked by the other dude’s leg, or the guy with both of his arms free.[/quote]

I hear you man, all I’m saying is that this stuff changes the game, you know?