Advice for a Wannabe Fighter

I’m stuck out in the middle of nowhere until the end of July, and all I do for fun in the evenings is lift weights. I’ve messed around with different regimes, had some success recently, but I’m now trawling through all T-Nation newbie articles and knocking together a proper routine.

I want to take up a combat sport when I finally return to civilisation in August, so i want any muscle I put on to be functional, but at 6’3" and 189lbs I’m really skinny so I really want to put on some mass too.

All I have access to out here is my barbell, dumbbells and bench, and I do a shedload of hill-walking as part of my job, so I want to know what sort of routine I should be looking at to get ready to start training in the summer?

I’m going to try boxing, wrestling and BJJ, maybe judo and shootfighting, until I find something that suits me and I want to train in, so I can’t really do anything too sport specific.

I’ve seen a couple of routines that talk about German Volume Training for out of season wrestlers, for putting on a foundation of muscle mass. Might this be a good way to go?

Also, while I can’t get along to any of the others, i have the opportunity to try BJJ at the weekends. I could only get there once a week, would this be worth it or should I wait until I can dedicate more time in the summer and just focus on my lifting for now?

Cheers for your advice

[quote]Roundhead wrote:
I’m stuck out in the middle of nowhere until the end of july, and all I do for fun in the evenings is lift weights. I’ve messed around with different regimes, had some success recently, but I’m now trawling through all T-Nation newbie articles and knocking together a proper routine. I want to take up a combat sport when I finally return to civilisation in August, so i want any muscle I put on to be functional, but at 6’3" and 189lbs I’m really skinny so I really want to put on some mass too. All I have access to out here is my barbell, dumbbells and bench, and I do a shedload of hill-walking as part of my job, so I want to know what sort of routine I should be looking at to get ready to start training in the summer? I’m going to try boxing, wrestling and BJJ, maybe judo and shootfighting, until I find something that suits me and I want to train in, so I can’t really do anything too sport specific.

I’ve seen a couple of routines that talk about German Volume Training for out of season wrestlers, for putting on a foundation of muscle mass. Might this be a good way to go?

Also, while I can’t get along to any of the others, i have the opportunity to try BJJ at the weekends. I could only get there once a week, would this be worth it or should I wait until I can dedicate more time in the summer and just focus on my lifting for now?

Cheers for your advice[/quote]

I’ll start in reverse order:

Yes, definitely go to the BJJ class, even if it’s once a week. You’ll be able to get an idea if it’s something you really want to focus on; plus it’s a good workout.

As for lifting, I’d say the best bet is total-body 3x a week with a focus on big, compound lifts. It also wouldn’t be a bad idea to do some conditioning work 2-3 times a week. You’ll still gas your first few classes in, but at least you’ll have a good starting base.

I agree with dj mostly…I wouldn’t worry a ton about conditioning right now just because you aren’t fighting anytime soon. You’re conditioning will improve as you learn technique and learn to relax. Then, as you get closer to eventual fight time, focus on conditioning.

I do agree that I’d lift total body 3x per week. I’d make sure to have deadlifts, squats (front and back, mix it up here) and lunges. I also love step-ups. I think its also a good idea to have a front squat grip on your lunges and step ups to help with tightness issues through the hip flexors and back conditiong (you will find the need to posture in BJJ). Good luck!

You have roughly 3 months to work with.

Imo, for now, spend 2 months working on gaining strength, explosiveness, and improving your work capacity.

Spend that last month on maintaining your strength gains but bust ass and get some sick conditioning in those last 4 weeks.

Reason being, 90% of your first classes are you huffing and puffing, you’re basically just there learning doing conditioning work when you should be focusing on technique.

If you walk in there already at least 1/2 way prepared physically you’ll be in a better position to learn more because you won’t spend all your time sucking air.

Since you only have a barbell, dumbbells, and a bench. I’m assuming you don’t have a squat rack.

Also, I’m going to hope that you have a challenge amount of weights for that barbell. IMO, build a routine around the deadlift and power clean. Variety of things we can do for your upper body.

First order of business… Go through a few articles (there are a shit-ton just use the search function) about getting any imbalances you have fixed and mobility drills. All that shit. You want your body to be in tip top shape so you dont have to do any corrective shit while you’re trying to learn how to fight (much less get stronger).

Second, those walks should provide you with at least a minimal level of fitness but before you even touch your weights I think you should have this basic level of fitness:

100 pushups
12-20 pullups
100 standing squats

In my personal opinion weights are a privilege to be EARNED, not a right to be misused.

For your size, you should be able to do this. If not, break it into sets, and let that be your workout till you can bust that out.

Thats just a GENERAL fitness guideline.

Unless you’re a pretty unique individual, you might have skipped over that. I want you to read it again. Sit down and actually try it. if you can’t bust out that minimal amount of work, get crackin on that before you worry about the weights.

again just my opinion, you don’t have to take my advice but you’ll be better off for it in the long run.

Plus it’ll help build up the work capacity to be able to handle the following training protocal i’ll outline.

off the top of my head…

1 day upper body
2 lower body days
1 day conditioning

Upper:

One arm pushup
Bent Rows
1 arm bench press

you can use a variety of exercises, but i would make the one arm pushup your main indicator. If you can’t do one, there are quite a few progressions online, if you can’t find any i’ll write one for you just ask. You also can do 1 arm snatches, overhead press, overhead jerks, curls (not inherently bad just overused), shrugs, skull crushers, full contact twists, there are a TON of things to try. Be inventive.

DL Day:

Heavy DL

option being pull from the floor, stand on an elevated surface (increases distance the bar travels, makes it harder), Rack pull (place barbell on something, so the distance is shorter then you can use a heavier load)
pistols
again a lot of progressions to make these easier.
walking lunges

Power Clean Day:

Jump Squats

you should probably just use the bar, or even hold onto just one dumbbell (if its light), you can also do tuck jumps, or sit down then jump, there are a variety of things to try i can go into that later if you want. But basically Jump. You’ll be teaching yourself to be explosive that way.
Oly Pull
can be power clean, clean pull, snatch pull, power snatch, whatever you feel like drilling. Personally Id stick to the power clean and snatch pull. Think about bar speed more than anything else. You want your pull to be QUICK.
Front Squats, oly Back Squats or Overhead Squats
Your choice, Id go for higher reps since this is obviously not going to be an attempt with a lot of your max since you don’t have a rack. Condition the shit out of your legs, I mean super high reps to a fucking a 100 if you can.

Conditioning day:

There is a myraid of things you can do. We can spend a year going over stuff. Best references for you are to check out rosstraining.com and google javorek complexes… Those resources should give you enough conditioning shit to keep you going till you’re a pro. FYI The “randy couture workout”… are javorek complexes, nothing new under the sun.

anyway you want to try things that are going to be TOTAL body and vigorous, you shouldn’t really be able to identify a specific location of soreness your whole body should just be effected. Thats why its metabolic conditioning… your whole system goes “WHAT THE FUCK IS GOING ON”.

I like things that mix running and lifting.

for example
10 dbbell swings per arm
sprint 40yrds
15 jump squats
sprint 40 yrds
10 dbbell snatches per arm
sprint 40yards
20 pushups
sprint 40 yards
10 thrusters

rest 1 min… rinse repeat 4 more times.

If you dont have an area to run you can sub jumping rope if you have a FAST rope and willpower. There’s no one with you to push you, the only person who can make you not act like a bitch while no one is watching is you so press hard.

I really like Ross Enamit’s “Magic 50” so look around on his website and you should find that.

For that last 4 weeks or so that you’re working on your conditioning, only do 1 upper day and 1 lower. use that extra day to do more conditioning work. seriously amp it up and you’ll be able to survive your mma class without feeling like you got nothing out of it other than the urge to puke.

arranging the schedule:

Su- DL
Mo- Upper
Tu- Rest
We- Power clean
Th- Conditioning
Fri & Sat Rest.

or

we- power clean
th- rest
fri- conditioning
sat- rest

oh as far as size.

eat.

there’s really not much else to it. The conditioning will probably make you lose some bodyfat but its not going to make you lose any muscle (hell you might gain some) if you keep your calories up high enough and you’re getting quality food in you.

we should make another thread to this (gaining muscle for mma)…

Ross Enamait from Rosstraining.com did an experiment on himself over a few months where he gained 12 lbs of muscle doing workouts that have a lot more conditioning than you’d be doing. He kept his already AMAZING conditioning up, increased his size, strength, and kept the same mobility he felt at a lower weight. I think he could have gained more weight if he actually took an approach a little more similar to what I outlined above (to my recollection he didn’t do that much heavy general lifting)

the whole key though to it was to EAT.

as far as gaining muscle for combat sports its not about aesthetics like bodybuilding. But it consists of the same principles

[b]> lift heavy shit

eat
repeat [/b]

The only difference here is that you want to perform athletic movements that make you stronger in a way applicable to your sport ( 1 arm snatches or 1 arm pushup for instance). The muscle will be put on you where it needs to be in order to achieve maximum strength potential.

Don’t be worried if you have a “flat chest” or whatever just worry if its having transfer to your fighting ability.

Putting another 2inches on your biceps and calves might look great but that added muscle might have just put you in another weight class w/o doing much of anything for your performance.

but put that on your p-chain somewhere and watch yourself hit harder than before.

Keep in mind we do our best to prevent imbalances by performing step one of what i outlined for you. that way you won’t be putting on muscle in a way that creates a misfunction.

So if you want to be bigger/stronger or just change your body composition

(a bigger stronger you at 6’3 185, able to cut to 170 or so would be a BEAST in that weight class)

I’m in a very similar boat. I’m 6’5 at 204 and have been weight training for the last 7.5 months. If you aren’t already as lean as you want to be, don’t worry about putting on too much weight and jumpig weight categories. You’ll lose fat very well whilst conditioning.

I’ve easily put on 15 odd pounds of muscle since I’ve started. That was despite weighing 217 at the start. And I was doing light cardio for 6 1/2 months, and have only been conditioning for 4 weeks. There is no secret to doing this. Just eat, lift, and sleep.

I’ve been reading up a bit on conditioning of late, and love ross enamits stuff. Gotta go out and buy his books because they’d be pretty much vital.

Will be following this thread with great interest, because I want to take up bjj (and get back into boxing training). Any advice you guys give will be much appreciated. However, I won’t hijack this thread anymore.

you need a base of strength but if you already have one take 3 months to work on getting quick and explosive. its easier to make an explosive fighter in shape than it is to make an in shape fighter explosive

[quote]EG wrote:
its easier to make an explosive fighter in shape than it is to make an in shape fighter explosive[/quote]

I like that. Nice quote.

BJJ is retarded, why don’t you focus on something that will actually teach you how to fight.

[quote]Bujutsuka wrote:
BJJ is retarded, why don’t you focus on something that will actually teach you how to fight. [/quote]

Not too sure why you would say this. For a start I said that I am going to try a lot of different sports, not just BJJ. Secondly, while I have no personal experience I’m pretty sure BJJ isn’t retarded, in fact I’m certain its very effective in an MMA context. And finally I am not interested in ego fights on “the street”, I’m actually a pretty peaceful guy. I’m looking for a combat sport where I can test myself to the full in the ring, and work my ass off to win things.

Cheers for your advice guys.

I definitely cannot do 100 press ups, 20 pull ups or 100 bodyweight squats. So does that mean that I should leave weights well alone until I can?

[quote]Roundhead wrote:
Bujutsuka wrote:
BJJ is retarded, why don’t you focus on something that will actually teach you how to fight.

Not too sure why you would say this. For a start I said that I am going to try a lot of different sports, not just BJJ. Secondly, while I have no personal experience I’m pretty sure BJJ isn’t retarded, in fact I’m certain its very effective in an MMA context. And finally I am not interested in ego fights on “the street”, I’m actually a pretty peaceful guy. I’m looking for a combat sport where I can test myself to the full in the ring, and work my ass off to win things.

Cheers for your advice guys.

I definitely cannot do 100 press ups, 20 pull ups or 100 bodyweight squats. So does that mean that I should leave weights well alone until I can?[/quote]

Peaceful guys get attacked too bro, ego or not. After the adrenaline dump of a sudden attack you don’t think, you do what’s habitual (your training, or for most people pointless haymakers). I’d hate for you to habitually take someone to the mount on the street while his friends crush your head with a bat.

[quote]Bujutsuka wrote:
Roundhead wrote:
Bujutsuka wrote:
BJJ is retarded, why don’t you focus on something that will actually teach you how to fight.

Not too sure why you would say this. For a start I said that I am going to try a lot of different sports, not just BJJ. Secondly, while I have no personal experience I’m pretty sure BJJ isn’t retarded, in fact I’m certain its very effective in an MMA context. And finally I am not interested in ego fights on “the street”, I’m actually a pretty peaceful guy. I’m looking for a combat sport where I can test myself to the full in the ring, and work my ass off to win things.

Cheers for your advice guys.

I definitely cannot do 100 press ups, 20 pull ups or 100 bodyweight squats. So does that mean that I should leave weights well alone until I can?

Peaceful guys get attacked too bro, ego or not. After the adrenaline dump of a sudden attack you don’t think, you do what’s habitual (your training, or for most people pointless haymakers). I’d hate for you to habitually take someone to the mount on the street while his friends crush your head with a bat.[/quote]

Why do martial arts always get the shittiest trolls? Perhaps you’re looking to relieve your bloating problem by spewing your hot air all over this forum.

How about this ‘real life’ situation. You’ve been practicing your myriad of real-life, ‘effective’ techniques designed to protect you against multiple opponents when you find yourself alone in a one on one confrontation with a BJJ black belt who puts you on your back and proceeds to break both of your arms.

[quote]Bujutsuka wrote:
Roundhead wrote:
Bujutsuka wrote:
BJJ is retarded, why don’t you focus on something that will actually teach you how to fight.

Not too sure why you would say this. For a start I said that I am going to try a lot of different sports, not just BJJ. Secondly, while I have no personal experience I’m pretty sure BJJ isn’t retarded, in fact I’m certain its very effective in an MMA context. And finally I am not interested in ego fights on “the street”, I’m actually a pretty peaceful guy. I’m looking for a combat sport where I can test myself to the full in the ring, and work my ass off to win things.

Cheers for your advice guys.

I definitely cannot do 100 press ups, 20 pull ups or 100 bodyweight squats. So does that mean that I should leave weights well alone until I can?

Peaceful guys get attacked too bro, ego or not. After the adrenaline dump of a sudden attack you don’t think, you do what’s habitual (your training, or for most people pointless haymakers). I’d hate for you to habitually take someone to the mount on the street while his friends crush your head with a bat.[/quote]

Thats why some of us actually think beforehand. I hate these thoughtless scenarios. Oh,and thats when I use Glock-jitsu…its more effective and realistic than Gun-kata. Gun-kata is for sport…not effective.

[quote]Big_Boss wrote:

Thats why some of us actually think. I hate these thoughtless scenarios.
[/quote]

Pop-quiz hotshot. you’re walking out of a theater because the movie has terrified your son. Opting for the side exit you find yourself unarmed in a closed off alley with your wife and son, and are approached by a would-be mugger armed with a gun. Whatdya do hotshot?

[quote]slimjim wrote:
Big_Boss wrote:

Thats why some of us actually think. I hate these thoughtless scenarios.

Pop-quiz hotshot. you’re walking out of a theater because the movie has terrified your son. Opting for the side exit you find yourself unarmed in a closed off alley with your wife and son, and are approached by a would-be mugger armed with a gun. Whatdya do hotshot?[/quote]

Tell my son,Bruce that I love him…and bats really are scary.

oh man lol…just lol

Why do we fall bruce?

[quote]Xen Nova wrote:
Why do we fall bruce?[/quote]

So we can learn to pick ourselves up again

Slimjim,did I pass?? Seriously,I hope you’re being sarcastic and just fucking with me.

If not,I was alluding to the point that thinking beforehand keeps you out of certain situations to begin with. Thats why I would not use the side exit.

Sorry, I was just being sarcastic and thankfully you picked up on the movie reference because I wasn’t sure if I made it obvious enough