Where to Go After S2B?

Hi I’m new here
Hey I’m 19 years old and weigh 125 pounds… If you think thats crazy I weighed 103 pounds just this summer!

I began to work out using the Scrawny to Brawny book.
I guess it worked because I gained 22 pounds!

Well I’m done with the S2B book.
I’ve been repeating the fourth phase over and over for like 2 months now… its not really working for me anymore… I dont feel like I have really been gaining lately -but that could be because I’m in college and the gym here doesnt have that much equiptment… mostly the basics… and I got sick for like a month and didnjt work out…

…Anyhow I’m not sure where to go from here…
I just found out that I can buy more phases and continue my S2B program by going to Scrawnytobrawny.com and buying a 37 dollar coaching program.

Should I do that?
Or should I start something new?
I’m in the mood of growing more (like who isnt!) and I’m pretty diligent at working out…
So what shouold I do?
Thanks

Squats & milk.

Sounds like you are going in the right direction though - 22lbs gain in a few months.

Keep eating and training hard. Why buy more phases though? Choose a basic program here for free and stick with it.

Build your strength and learn good form (practise makes perfect).

Have a look at Riptoe’s 5x5 - you don’t need anything other than the basics in your gym for that.

WS4SBIII by Joe DeFranco - FREE at DeFranco’s site and Elite FTS.

S.O.B. by Chad Waterbury - FREE here at T-Nation

SuperHero by Thibs - FREE here at T-Nation

EDT meets CPT by Charles Staley - FREE here at T-Nation

Notice the theme: FREE

Nothing against Scrawny to Brawny… it served it’s purpose for you. But, the 4 routines above are all awesome and FREE. Also FREE: hundreds of other great routines/templates on this site.

LA - Maybe I missed something in your post but I think you should have mentioned that everything you listed can be had for free.

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[quote]Renton wrote:
LA - Maybe I missed something in your post but I think you should have mentioned that everything you listed can be had for free.

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Yeah… the OP joined recently and made this his first post… I probably should have pointed out that there are tons of great FREE routines on this site and a couple others.

LA

lol

So… You gave me so many good choices to choose from!! Which one do I choose?
I looked at Joe DeFranco’s part 1 already sometime before…
He doesn’t say anything about dieting -like eating a lot… and it looks like I would have to change the days to match my college schedule…

But you say part 3? never looked at it…
Anyhow… The other choices!! which one should I take? which one will help me best in gaining weight in muscle… ok I guess the answer to that is all

But which one in your opinion is best for a 19 year old skinny 125 pounds college guy like me?

20-rep squats or rippetoe’s 5x5

You have to do some of the work outside of the gym too… read the beginners stickys.

So, you’ve been given 6 recommended routines. Pick one and pour some sweat into it for 2 months. Then try another. You’ll be fine for the next year. I put a recommended order. You’ll grow bigger and stronger, and you’ll probably find what you really like.

  1. Jan-Feb - Rippetoe’s Starting Strength
  2. Mar-Apr - Waterbury’s SOB
  3. May-Jun - Thib’s SuperHero
  4. Jul-Aug - Defranco’s WS4SBIII
  5. Sep-Oct - 20 rep squats
  6. Nov-Dec - Staley’s ETD meets CPT

LA

…Ok apparently I’m an idiot…
where is this rippetoe’s 5x5?

and wheres the 20 rep squats?
…and which stickys were you reffering too?

You’re not an idiot. The T-Nation search tool and Google are your friends. Use them.

Rippetoe’s 5x5 is actually out of his book Starting Strength. The basics of it are all over the web.

The 20 rep squats routine is legendary. There is a book called Super Squats that lays out the history and the plan. The basics are also all over the web.

Both books are great additions to your library, but not needed to get started.

LA

EDIT: The stickys are the top 3 topics in this beginners forum.

You want me to buy rippetoe’s book starting strength? or there is an article here which I cant seem to find even when I use the T-Nation search…

And the 20 rep squats… it looks like I found a lot of site talking about it… looks like a good program that gains you lots of muscle…
But is it regular squats or front squats?
I do front squats now and they kill my wrists… cause I have a tiny frame and its hard to lean it against my chest for support… if you understand what im saying…

It is regular but I geuss some people do front squats. And here is rippetoos forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=998224 I always do 5x5 type training that and edt is all I really do . Maybe start with 5x3-5 for ahwile then go to edt cuz strength transfers to slightly higher reps than higher reps does to strength for example when I work weighted pullups for ahwile if I go unweighted my numbers flyup in like 2 weeks but unweighted numbers go up a little than go to weighted have little carry over and have just a bit more strength and endurance than when I started. Plus if when you switch you make sure to move the weight as fast as possible it helps you keep your strength even with light weight.

5x5 looks something like this …

Workout A

Back Squats 5x5
Deadlifts 5x5
Bench Press 5x5

Workout B

Back Squats 5x5
Standing Military Press 5x5
Power Clean 5x5
BB Rows 5x5

One day off in between so

Week 1
Monday - workout A
Wednesday - workout B
Friday - workout A

Week 2

Monday - workout B
Wednesday - workout A
Friday - workout B

Keep the same weight for all sets/reps.

If you manage the full 5x5 on any excersize, increase the weight by 5-10lbs on your next workout.

If you hit failure, roll back the weight by 10-20% next workout and start again.

Warmups on each excersize can be 3 sets, empty bar, 50% weight, 75% weight.

Throw in some dips (workout A) and chins (workout B) if you want to push yourself harder.

Take a pen and pad to the gym with you and write down your weights or you’ll forget them next time. It’s also a good thing to look back over and see your progress.

Use perfect form on all the excersizes - if you find yourself cheating with form, lower the weight and get it right. If you eat right and lift right, this will work.

Try it for 8 weeks, report your progess here!

Good luck.

ok thnaks!
just to clarify- I should do the workouts on the thread from bodybuilding but instead of 3x5 i should make it 5x5… ok

I did 5x5 in the second phase of S2B… It went well the 3rd phase was where i really gained weight i think… it was sets in waves
like:
lift 4 times
then 3
then 2
each time increasing the weight and bringing your 1RM up a notch

Very well… But I wont start this right away… im in college… ill wait for the finals to pass and I’ll start during winter break which is in like a week

Well that gives you a bit of time to think and ask questions.

Yes - 5 sets, 5 reps each. Don’t ramp the weight for each set though, just the warm ups. Only up the weight when you get all 5x5.

When I first did this it didn’t really look like there was a lot to it but focus your mind and lift as heavy as you can and it seriously works.

Do you have a training partner or at least someone who can spot you on the bench?

…well sometimes there people in the gym…
I sometimes tell them to be ready to save me if the bar decides to drop onto my neck during bench pressing

About squatting- I believe I squat well, I mean my squatting in S2B seemed fine, but some things dont seem right after reading squatting stuff

My hamstrings never touch my calves when I squat… At least I dont think so… And where exactly is the “midfoot”… im guessing that means I should keep the bar parallel to the middle of my feet?

You did the rippetoe program? Did it work well for you or just okay…

Thanks for the responses! hope im not becoming annoying with the questions

should i keep trying to eat like a ton?
right now i try to eat 3000 cals a day though its hard to do and doesnt work out always

I’m going on a road trip for 10 hours over this weekend!! i dont know what im gonna eat in the car…

Buy a gallon of whole milk and make some ham and cheese sandwiches.

how long do you think the milk will last without a refrigerator?

Buy the book(s) someday… but don’t wait to start the program.

Back squats for 20 reppers.

Get a cooler for the roadie.

Lift some weight, stop thinking so hard for a month or two…

LA