[quote]ronki23 wrote:
I was just assuming and, if my strength and weight was going up, I stuck to it. But it’s not working anymore. And it was a lot of food I was eating (I had ice cream 1-2x a week)
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How is eating ice cream 1-2x a week in any way an indication of how much food you were eating?
Log how much you ate. Find a diet that is easy for you to follow and stick with it.
My 2RM is awesome now; 100kg (225lb) on both Squat and Deadlift and unbelted too.
I’ve been drinking 1- 2 protein shakes a day (30-60g from shakes) and eating a lot of food in general. In some cases where I only had 1 shake a day, I had 600-1000ml skimmed milk postworkout.
Food has been 2-3 eggs at breakfast, lunch as cheese sandwiches, beans or meat substitute for dinner.
5RM is not really much better.
Can I change my program as i’ve not been improving too much over the past 8 weeks (even with a deload)
I’m thinking Arnold Golden 6 or Arnold’s Beginner Workout (but instead of 6x a week I do it 3x a week). Will higher reps help?
My weight is around 190lbs- but it was higher the past 2 weeks at 194 and 192 respectively and i’m not sure why it went down when protein intake went up (due to the shakes, which I wasn’t on this past month)
It seems doing sets of 10 for upper body and power movements and sets of 12 for lower body is not a simple crossover
My 1RM, 5RM and 11RM
Bench: 140lb,130lb,110lb
Row: 100lb,90lb,75lb
Squat:225lb,205lb, 160lb,
Deadlift:225lb,210lb,160lb
I find the Arnold Beginner workout from 1999 encyclopedia exhausting but it pumps you up a lot
From your diet it sounds like your a vegetarian(I am one myself). You are most likely not getting enough calories from the meals that you laid out. I didn’t start putting on any weight until I started having six meals a day (or more)and even now it isn’t easy. Whatever you are eating now double it.
[quote]shirtlesskirk wrote:
From your diet it sounds like your a vegetarian(I am one myself). You are most likely not getting enough calories from the meals that you laid out. I didn’t start putting on any weight until I started having six meals a day (or more)and even now it isn’t easy. Whatever you are eating now double it. [/quote]
In 7 months my weight went from 168 to 194 but I’ve not been measuring macros and Jan-Mar and Mar-May I’ve been having no protein shake and 600-1000ml skimmed milk postworkout
Crap diet. But weight has increased. Depression does that to you
Depression is tough to deal with, I know, but it’s a poor excuse for a crappy diet.
This is probably a stupid question, but does doing the isolation exercises after compound ones make them harder? I can’t even get 10 reps curling 45lbs and I do less than 15lbs for tricep extensions but it’s after I do chins/dips which in turn are after cleans and presses.
I’ve been doing the Arnold Beginner workout and I can’t even Bench 100lbs on Incline after I do 110-120lbs on flat for 10 reps x 4 sets. Deadlifts (which I can do around 210 x 5) I can only do 165 x 8 because I did sets of 50 chins (assisted) and barbell rows (4x 10 with 70lbs) beforehand.
I intend to go back to sets of 5; I only changed the program because sets of 5 weren’t working anymore and (as you rightfully said) it’s more about diet and sleep routine
my 5RM / 1RM are:
Bench 135lb, 145lb
Overhead Press 80lb, 95lb
Squat: 205lb,220lb
Deadlift: 210lb, 220lb
Row: 80lb, 100lb
Power Clean:80lb,95lb
But my higher rep maxes are weaker- for lower body I do around 12 and 10 for upper body
Bench 110lb x 8
Overhead 75lb*
Squat 160x 12
Deadlift 160x8*
Row 70lbx 10
Clean and Press 75lb x 8
Are my Deadlifts and push press (I only do it on Arnold’s; on 3x5 I do strict) weak because Deadlifts are done after a set of 50 rep chins and barbell rows??
Is my push press weak because of my clean and press earlier?
And my bicep curls are weak; on 3x5 I couldn’t even curl 45lb for 8 reps and now my curls are 40lb for 8
Okay, I’m going to go out on a limb here and assume you’re not a troll. To answer your original question (kind of): somebody with your stats is not going to look like they lift at all. Get a lot stronger and theres a good chance you will. It’s not a matter of the mass not coming until you hit a certain strength level, or it coming faster after you hit a bodyweight bench press or whatever. However, somebody who can’t bench their body weight just isn’t going to have enough mass to look like anything at all. Somebody who can bench 2x their bodyweight likely will. As long as you don’t let yourself get TOO fat, the stronger you get, the better you’re going to look, especially right now. It won’t be exactly linear and your muscular gains and training success are going to ebb and flow, but as long as theres a trend in the right direction and you stay consistent there is no reason you won’t get to where you want to go.
Beyond that, it sounds like you’re not training hard enough or recovering well enough. If you want specific advice, post exactly what your training program looks like and EXACTLY what you ate yesterday. I’m a vegetarian who has been able to consistently add strength and size so I’ll be happy to help you in that department if you give me the info I need.
[quote]ronki23 wrote:
Are my Deadlifts and push press (I only do it on Arnold’s; on 3x5 I do strict) weak because Deadlifts are done after a set of 50 rep chins and barbell rows??
Is my push press weak because of my clean and press earlier?
And my bicep curls are weak; on 3x5 I couldn’t even curl 45lb for 8 reps and now my curls are 40lb for 8[/quote]
As for all this stuff, don’t worry about it. There’s no sense in analyzing every little thing you’re doing when your overall plan seems to suck.
That said, yes: you’re probably going to be weaker on a lift if you do a bunch of other lifts before it. How the hell are you doing a set of 50 chin-ups when you couldn’t do a pull-up in your first post?
[quote]TrevorLPT wrote:
[quote]ronki23 wrote:
Are my Deadlifts and push press (I only do it on Arnold’s; on 3x5 I do strict) weak because Deadlifts are done after a set of 50 rep chins and barbell rows??
Is my push press weak because of my clean and press earlier?
And my bicep curls are weak; on 3x5 I couldn’t even curl 45lb for 8 reps and now my curls are 40lb for 8[/quote]
As for all this stuff, don’t worry about it. There’s no sense in analyzing every little thing you’re doing when your overall plan seems to suck.
That said, yes: you’re probably going to be weaker on a lift if you do a bunch of other lifts before it. How the hell are you doing a set of 50 chin-ups when you couldn’t do a pull-up in your first post? [/quote]
Assisted chin up machine/lat pulldown
[quote]TrevorLPT wrote:
[quote]ronki23 wrote:
Are my Deadlifts and push press (I only do it on Arnold’s; on 3x5 I do strict) weak because Deadlifts are done after a set of 50 rep chins and barbell rows??
Is my push press weak because of my clean and press earlier?
And my bicep curls are weak; on 3x5 I couldn’t even curl 45lb for 8 reps and now my curls are 40lb for 8[/quote]
As for all this stuff, don’t worry about it. There’s no sense in analyzing every little thing you’re doing when your overall plan seems to suck.
That said, yes: you’re probably going to be weaker on a lift if you do a bunch of other lifts before it. How the hell are you doing a set of 50 chin-ups when you couldn’t do a pull-up in your first post? [/quote]
Assisted chin ups machine/lat pulldown
Also, I did push ups after a long time today - 6 on my fists and 10 normal. When I was 25-30lbs lighter I could do 20 on my fists/30 normal.
But I guess that’s what happens when you can’t bench bodyweight/ are doing chest workout with that instead of pushups and are getting heavier 
It’s not so much weight gain as being out of practice for the movement. If you started doing pushups again, you could probably get back there in a couple weeks.
[quote]1 Man Island wrote:
It’s not so much weight gain as being out of practice for the movement. If you started doing pushups again, you could probably get back there in a couple weeks.[/quote]
I thought push ups and bench press are the same movement? But i’m lifting less on bench than bodyweight whereas pushup is ~70% bodyweight?
[quote]ronki23 wrote:
[quote]1 Man Island wrote:
It’s not so much weight gain as being out of practice for the movement. If you started doing pushups again, you could probably get back there in a couple weeks.[/quote]
I thought push ups and bench press are the same movement? But i’m lifting less on bench than bodyweight whereas pushup is ~70% bodyweight?[/quote]
Cool.
But seriously, have you fixed your diet yet?
[quote]ronki23 wrote:
I thought push ups and bench press are the same movement?[/quote]
No.
[quote]ronki23 wrote:
[quote]TrevorLPT wrote:
[quote]ronki23 wrote:
Are my Deadlifts and push press (I only do it on Arnold’s; on 3x5 I do strict) weak because Deadlifts are done after a set of 50 rep chins and barbell rows??
Is my push press weak because of my clean and press earlier?
And my bicep curls are weak; on 3x5 I couldn’t even curl 45lb for 8 reps and now my curls are 40lb for 8[/quote]
As for all this stuff, don’t worry about it. There’s no sense in analyzing every little thing you’re doing when your overall plan seems to suck.
That said, yes: you’re probably going to be weaker on a lift if you do a bunch of other lifts before it. How the hell are you doing a set of 50 chin-ups when you couldn’t do a pull-up in your first post? [/quote]
Assisted chin up machine/lat pulldown
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Thank you for only responding to the least important part of my posts trying to help you.