When Are You 'Big Enough?'

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[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:
Well, I don’t remember replying to you specifically, but rather the OP and the subject in general. Furthermore, I think the OP was quite serious, but maybe some of the replies were not. No sir, I don’t think I missed anything at all.

And I really expected the last retort at some point. And it’s bullshit. A lot of men do not give a hoot how big they are and many of them engage in some physical activity. I think your mind set relative to this puts you firmly in the camp I spoke of. There are MANY athletes that could care less how big they are. There are many men that train for fitness that do not give a shit how big they are. I realize that to know your motivation for wanting to be big requires a bit more self examination than some of you might be comfortable with, but that’s not my problem :slight_smile:
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Why do you even belong to this site if you look down on people trying to gain muscle mass?

People that look down on entire groups of other people generally have a good amount of problems of their own.

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Why would people on a bodybuilding website not care how big they are?

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[quote]Eric 2.0 wrote:

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:
Well, I don’t remember replying to you specifically, but rather the OP and the subject in general. Furthermore, I think the OP was quite serious, but maybe some of the replies were not. No sir, I don’t think I missed anything at all.

And I really expected the last retort at some point. And it’s bullshit. A lot of men do not give a hoot how big they are and many of them engage in some physical activity. I think your mind set relative to this puts you firmly in the camp I spoke of. There are MANY athletes that could care less how big they are. There are many men that train for fitness that do not give a shit how big they are. I realize that to know your motivation for wanting to be big requires a bit more self examination than some of you might be comfortable with, but that’s not my problem :slight_smile:
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Why do you even belong to this site if you look down on people trying to gain muscle mass?

People that look down on entire groups of other people generally have a good amount of problems of their own.[/quote]

Why do you even attempt to engage in a dialogue with someone before you know how they feel? Do you really know what everyone is thinking before they say it? I say the male ego is pretty fragile as evidenced by some people’s preoccupation with things like “how big am I” or, “how does my penis measure up”. There is a whole industry dedicated to both preoccupations. If you honestly do not find yourself in either camp, congratulations. But don’t pretend that someone who has a preoccupation with how large they are might not suffer from some self esteem issues.

Now, I ask you, how does putting that out there constitute “looking down on an entire group”? Please answer the question. As for problems of my own, I have plenty and I’m well acquainted with them. Being preoccupied with getting bigger has never been one of them. I’ve had a preoccupation with getting stronger, but never bigger. Not when I was 180 and not now at 265 - I just don’t care. In fact, I’d like to be about 240 to be honest, perhaps 235. Why am I here? I am here for the information and the entertainment.

By the way sir, this thread is not about people “trying to gain muscle mass” - it’s an open question about “when are you big enough”…a question that gives rise to the potential insecurities I raised. Not everyone for sure, but those that do protest the loudest? Perhaps.

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[quote]LankyMofo wrote:
Why would people on a bodybuilding website not care how big they are?[/quote]

I don’t believe this is a “bodybuilding” website. I’ve been here since the start and I’m not a bodybuilder and I do not have the slightest interest in bodybuilding. But to be fair, I did ask Prof X an arm size question a few months back but I think that was a passing curiosity more than a budding obsession with my size.

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[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

[quote]Eric 2.0 wrote:

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:
I was about to write that I was wondering if there is an inherent fragility to the male ego that make some wonder about size and then I stopped myself because I know the answer. Yes, there is. Penis enlargement and a preoccupation by some with being big enough is pretty weird. Granted this population here is a “sub culture” of the general population but have any of you ever paused and realized that the majority of our male population does not lose sleep over the size of his muscles? Granted there are those here that pursue bodybuilding as a serious hobby or even semi-profession but the rest of you? Why are you worried if you’re “big enough”? Me thinks the male ego is indeed very fragile.[/quote]

I believe you’ve missed the point. I won’t speak for everyone else, but for me, its not about what other people think of my size. Every inch I gain I know I’ve earned. So I want to challenge myself, to see how big I can get. It has almost nothing to do with the perception of others.

If most guys don’t lose sleep over the size of their muscles, its because they are afraid of the hard work it would take to increase their size.

And I think this thread was meant to be alot less serious than you seem to be taking it. [/quote]

Well, I don’t remember replying to you specifically, but rather the OP and the subject in general. Furthermore, I think the OP was quite serious, but maybe some of the replies were not. No sir, I don’t think I missed anything at all.

And I really expected the last retort at some point. And it’s bullshit. A lot of men do not give a hoot how big they are and many of them engage in some physical activity. I think your mind set relative to this puts you firmly in the camp I spoke of. There are MANY athletes that could care less how big they are. There are many men that train for fitness that do not give a shit how big they are. I realize that to know your motivation for wanting to be big requires a bit more self examination than some of you might be comfortable with, but that’s not my problem :slight_smile:
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Yes, deep inside we are all just small fragile men trying to cover up our insecurities by building a huge body, a protective facade from the outside world :frowning:

No but seriously, I hate the word “complex”. Everyone has their reasons for anything they do.

I want to be bigger because I think it looks cool (within reason of course), and lifting weights is a hobby.

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I think TheBodyGuard has a point.

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[quote]Eric 2.0 wrote:

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:
I was about to write that I was wondering if there is an inherent fragility to the male ego that make some wonder about size and then I stopped myself because I know the answer. Yes, there is. …Why are you worried if you’re “big enough”? Me thinks the male ego is indeed very fragile.[/quote]

Here is what can only be interpreted as you looking down on those attempting to gain muscle mass.

And that part you wrote about “those that protest the loudest”…wow, I have to say, what a mature and well thought out argument supporting your position (sarcasm)

Obviously you can’t understand the pursuit of muscle mass, so why try to discuss it? Just to mock those that follow this pursuit?

How about you? You’re pursuing strength, maybe you’re just too insecure, so you need to be the strongest guy in the room to validate yourself? If pursuit of size is indicative of insecurity, why not pusuit of strength? It works both ways

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[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:
Why am I here?
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You’re here to crack me up … whether or not you want to admit it

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[quote]Eric 2.0 wrote:

[quote]Eric 2.0 wrote:

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:
I was about to write that I was wondering if there is an inherent fragility to the male ego that make some wonder about size and then I stopped myself because I know the answer. Yes, there is. …Why are you worried if you’re “big enough”? Me thinks the male ego is indeed very fragile.[/quote]

Here is what can only be interpreted as you looking down on those attempting to gain muscle mass.

And that part you wrote about “those that protest the loudest”…wow, I have to say, what a mature and well thought out argument supporting your position (sarcasm)

Obviously you can’t understand the pursuit of muscle mass, so why try to discuss it? Just to mock those that follow this pursuit?

How about you? You’re pursuing strength, maybe you’re just too insecure, so you need to be the strongest guy in the room to validate yourself? If pursuit of size is indicative of insecurity, why not pusuit of strength? It works both ways[/quote]

I pursued strength because I needed a purpose and a focus to continue working out after I stopped playing basketball. I fell into powerlifting completely by accident because my training partner at the time was a powerlifter. I went to a meet, loved it and never looked back. It gave the workouts purpose, as basketball gave working out a purpose before that.

I wasn’t mocking anyone. I posed a question. Me thinks you do protest too loudly though. It’s pretty clear you’re incapable of discussing a very real issue without letting it be personal to you or otherwise, you wouldn’t feel “insulted”. And lest I allow you to continue to be confused by your own mental gymnastics - the pursuit of some “muscle mass” is not the same as an obsession with “when are you big enough”.

It’s a simple fact that gyms the world over have their share of fragile egos. That you protest this simple fact so loudly is very interesting and too transparent to even mockingly lable it “freudian”.

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[quote]polo77j wrote:

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:
Why am I here?
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You’re here to crack me up … whether or not you want to admit it[/quote]

Without a doubt. :slight_smile: LOL

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[quote]Eric 2.0 wrote:

[quote]Eric 2.0 wrote:

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:
I was about to write that I was wondering if there is an inherent fragility to the male ego that make some wonder about size and then I stopped myself because I know the answer. Yes, there is. …Why are you worried if you’re “big enough”? Me thinks the male ego is indeed very fragile.[/quote]

Here is what can only be interpreted as you looking down on those attempting to gain muscle mass.

And that part you wrote about “those that protest the loudest”…wow, I have to say, what a mature and well thought out argument supporting your position (sarcasm)

Obviously you can’t understand the pursuit of muscle mass, so why try to discuss it? Just to mock those that follow this pursuit?

How about you? You’re pursuing strength, maybe you’re just too insecure, so you need to be the strongest guy in the room to validate yourself? If pursuit of size is indicative of insecurity, why not pusuit of strength? It works both ways[/quote]

And by the way, pursuit of size is not necessarily indicative of insecurity - that’s for each to determine on their own, if they dare - that’s why I tossed that grenade out there. But if you think that every man that toils away in the gym is a secure rock of a man well then I have some little blue pills to sell you that are GUARANTEED to add inches to your pecker. You sound as if you believe every bimbo with a breast implant “did it for herself” or, “so my clothes fit better”. LOL.

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[quote]toolshed wrote:

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

[quote]Eric 2.0 wrote:

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:
I was about to write that I was wondering if there is an inherent fragility to the male ego that make some wonder about size and then I stopped myself because I know the answer. Yes, there is. Penis enlargement and a preoccupation by some with being big enough is pretty weird. Granted this population here is a “sub culture” of the general population but have any of you ever paused and realized that the majority of our male population does not lose sleep over the size of his muscles? Granted there are those here that pursue bodybuilding as a serious hobby or even semi-profession but the rest of you? Why are you worried if you’re “big enough”? Me thinks the male ego is indeed very fragile.[/quote]

I believe you’ve missed the point. I won’t speak for everyone else, but for me, its not about what other people think of my size. Every inch I gain I know I’ve earned. So I want to challenge myself, to see how big I can get. It has almost nothing to do with the perception of others.

If most guys don’t lose sleep over the size of their muscles, its because they are afraid of the hard work it would take to increase their size.

And I think this thread was meant to be alot less serious than you seem to be taking it. [/quote]

Well, I don’t remember replying to you specifically, but rather the OP and the subject in general. Furthermore, I think the OP was quite serious, but maybe some of the replies were not. No sir, I don’t think I missed anything at all.

And I really expected the last retort at some point. And it’s bullshit. A lot of men do not give a hoot how big they are and many of them engage in some physical activity. I think your mind set relative to this puts you firmly in the camp I spoke of. There are MANY athletes that could care less how big they are. There are many men that train for fitness that do not give a shit how big they are. I realize that to know your motivation for wanting to be big requires a bit more self examination than some of you might be comfortable with, but that’s not my problem :slight_smile:
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Yes, deep inside we are all just small fragile men trying to cover up our insecurities by building a huge body, a protective facade from the outside world :frowning:

No but seriously, I hate the word “complex”. Everyone has their reasons for anything they do.

I want to be bigger because I think it looks cool (within reason of course), and lifting weights is a hobby.
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Well in your haste to be dismissive, you ignore your own distinction: “within reason”. Wondering aloud “when are you big enough” is maybe flirting with said distinction wouldn’t you agree?

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i dont need to be big at all…

there was period of time were i stopped training because i realized that there was no point in becoming massive…so i just stopped…i lost 40lbs and i didnt care…

However, i came back to it because i realized i genuinely enjoy lifting weights for a specific purpose…and i believe i would enjoy competing as well…so i have begun pursuing this as hard as ever…

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BBing really is about getting bigger (and at times being lean enough to appreciate it), so to that end the answer for some one that wants to be a BBer, …is never! I’ve never seen anyone that was too big IMO. It is highly individual though as far as how big you want to get, but in BBing, bigger (of course with aesthetics predicated) is better, everytime.

To the OP - It’s about the journey. As long as you’re enjoying the ride, then keep on going. You look awesome btw, and appear to have a huge potential! Best of luck in your journey.

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You fuckin black people and your good genetics, much hate!

(I’m kidding)

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^waylander is huge, it’s a fact

Is he huge enough? that’s debatable

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Threads like this bother me for a couple reasons, not directed at anyone in particular but just in general…

  1. Bodyfat guessing game. Unless you’ve been measured by an accurate means (7-site, underwater, dexa, etc…cheap ass BIA don’t count) your guess is probably off by a good 5%. Everyone thinks they’re 12-15% but are probably more like 18-22%. I measure people everyday. I ask 'em what they think they are. 99% of the time they think they are much lower than reality.

  2. Goals influenced by those on AAS or formerly on AAS. If you want to get big then use, by all means go ahead. But don’t be 150lbs soaking wet and basing your goals on top flight BBers unless you plan to use yoruself.

  3. There is no end zone. There’s only old age, injury, and death which stops you or slows you. Doesn’t matter if you started in your teens, 20s, 30s, or older. Doesn’t matter if you’re a boy or a girl. Doesn’t matter if you’re white, black, or asian. Just aim to beat yourself. Get stronger. Get bigger, Get leaner. Look better. If you’re really into this thing called bodybuilding and actually compete it becomes much more about the illusion of size than of actual size itself. I’ve seen guys around my same height and weight, 5’5", 175lb, who look MUCH BIGGER than me and some who just look fat.

There is no end zone.

When I was a 140lb distance runner I though a 200lb bench and squat was years ago…well, that was more like a couple months. Well now a 300lb squat has come and gone and a 250lb bench. You just keep grabbing for more weight and throw it on there and going for more and more reps. The problem a lot of people have is that they don’t see anything else beyond the “program” written on the piece of paper. I see lots of people in the 5’10" 150lb range or 200lbs of blubber and they don’t make progress because they don’t know what progress actually is besides what’s written on a piece of paper. It’s as if it’s a sin to do something not predetermined. It’s as if it’s a sin to put together something simple vs something so clusterfucked that you have to read what you’re doing 10 times before you actually do it.

Alan

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[quote]jasmincar wrote:
^waylander is huge, it’s a fact

Is he huge enough? that’s debatable[/quote]

no

/debate

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[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

[quote]Eric 2.0 wrote:

[quote]Eric 2.0 wrote:

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:
I was about to write that I was wondering if there is an inherent fragility to the male ego that make some wonder about size and then I stopped myself because I know the answer. Yes, there is. …Why are you worried if you’re “big enough”? Me thinks the male ego is indeed very fragile.[/quote]

Here is what can only be interpreted as you looking down on those attempting to gain muscle mass.

And that part you wrote about “those that protest the loudest”…wow, I have to say, what a mature and well thought out argument supporting your position (sarcasm)

Obviously you can’t understand the pursuit of muscle mass, so why try to discuss it? Just to mock those that follow this pursuit?

How about you? You’re pursuing strength, maybe you’re just too insecure, so you need to be the strongest guy in the room to validate yourself? If pursuit of size is indicative of insecurity, why not pusuit of strength? It works both ways[/quote]

And by the way, pursuit of size is not necessarily indicative of insecurity - that’s for each to determine on their own, if they dare - that’s why I tossed that grenade out there. But if you think that every man that toils away in the gym is a secure rock of a man well then I have some little blue pills to sell you that are GUARANTEED to add inches to your pecker. You sound as if you believe every bimbo with a breast implant “did it for herself” or, “so my clothes fit better”. LOL.[/quote]

That isn’t the point. What I hear OFTEN is that the only reason someone gets really big is because of being insecure. This usually comes from people who are out of shape completely, not very attractive and not very successful. I am not sure how the hell bodybuilding ever gained the notoriety for people to question the insecurities of all people involved the way they do. No one ever says, “The only reason that guy became a brain surgeon is because he was insecure about his intelligence”.

I’m big enough to hear all of this shit, good and bad. You get the people congratulating and coming up to speak to you just because of your size as well as the snide remarks every once in a while.

I do not lift weights to fit in. I do not lift because of some deep rooted insecurities. If anything, I doubt I am doing worse in life “generally speaking” then any of the people being so judgmental about how I look.

So the question is, why ON A BODYBUILDING FORUM would someone even question why we get big? Why relate that to a negative?

You can find insecure people in ALL FIELDS yet bodybuilding seems to be the only one where people ASSUME that every guy with 20" arms has a mental problem.

Does it scare people to find out that big guy is very secure, very intelligent and very accomplished? Does their head explode if they find this out?

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[quote]BantamRunner wrote:
Threads like this bother me for a couple reasons, not directed at anyone in particular but just in general…

  1. Bodyfat guessing game. Unless you’ve been measured by an accurate means (7-site, underwater, dexa, etc…cheap ass BIA don’t count) your guess is probably off by a good 5%. Everyone thinks they’re 12-15% but are probably more like 18-22%. I measure people everyday. I ask 'em what they think they are. 99% of the time they think they are much lower than reality.

  2. Goals influenced by those on AAS or formerly on AAS. If you want to get big then use, by all means go ahead. But don’t be 150lbs soaking wet and basing your goals on top flight BBers unless you plan to use yoruself.

  3. There is no end zone. There’s only old age, injury, and death which stops you or slows you. Doesn’t matter if you started in your teens, 20s, 30s, or older. Doesn’t matter if you’re a boy or a girl. Doesn’t matter if you’re white, black, or asian. Just aim to beat yourself. Get stronger. Get bigger, Get leaner. Look better. If you’re really into this thing called bodybuilding and actually compete it becomes much more about the illusion of size than of actual size itself. I’ve seen guys around my same height and weight, 5’5", 175lb, who look MUCH BIGGER than me and some who just look fat.

There is no end zone.

Alan[/quote]

I don’t get why this thread bothers people. If he was small, THEN it would bother me. He’s a big guy asking when big is “big enough” just to start a discussion.

I am NOT big enough in terms of muscularity. I am “big enough” in terms of body weight which is why I am dieting and why I am lighter right now than I have been in over two years.

This could actually be a decent discussion if people would quit trying to find fault with the OP for making the thread.