[quote]Smashingweights wrote:
200 pounds ADDED for pull ups and 225 pounds ADDED for dips?
Not sure if serious.[/quote]
Pretty sure he meant his big boy fluff.
[quote]csulli wrote:
[quote]Mr.Jeannay wrote:
[quote]Smashingweights wrote:
200 pounds ADDED for pull ups and 225 pounds ADDED for dips?
Not sure if serious.[/quote]
Afaik the world record for dips is +400 pounds (marvin eder) about the pullup im not sure but i read somewhere there was someone who could do a single for triple bodyweight (i think it was jasper benincasa). those guys are definately freaks but i think 200 pounds for dips and pullups is doable[/quote]
How close are you to doing it? Your definition of doable is pretty ambitious lol.
Eric Spoto, recent world record holder in the raw bench press with 722lbs paused, doesn’t go above 225 added weight on dips. He does that for sets of like 10-15, but still. It is a HUGE amount of weight for that exercise.
I’ve never gone above 90lbs added for sets of 10. No idea how close that would put me.[/quote]
I’ve been pretty close on dips but haven’t done weighted dips in a while. Heaviest I’ve ever gone on pullups is somewhere between 120 and 150 probably 132 (chains).
FWIW, I never thought dips were a good movement for a 1RM. Too much stress on my shoulders, IMO.
But, in my experience, the dip (including BW) is about 115-125% of bench press strength. So, if you weighed roughly 200lb, and you benched 350+, it wouldn’t seem too inconceivable to hit +225 dip for a single. I wouldn’t recommend it, though.
[quote]Mad Martigan wrote:
FWIW, I never thought dips were a good movement for a 1RM. Too much stress on my shoulders, IMO.
But, in my experience, the dip (including BW) is about 115-125% of bench press strength. So, if you weighed roughly 200lb, and you benched 350+, it wouldn’t seem too inconceivable to hit +225 dip for a single. I wouldn’t recommend it, though.[/quote]
naw
[quote]spar4tee wrote:
[quote]Mad Martigan wrote:
FWIW, I never thought dips were a good movement for a 1RM. Too much stress on my shoulders, IMO.
But, in my experience, the dip (including BW) is about 115-125% of bench press strength. So, if you weighed roughly 200lb, and you benched 350+, it wouldn’t seem too inconceivable to hit +225 dip for a single. I wouldn’t recommend it, though.[/quote]
naw[/quote]
Haha, which part?
[quote]Mad Martigan wrote:
FWIW, I never thought dips were a good movement for a 1RM. Too much stress on my shoulders, IMO.
But, in my experience, the dip (including BW) is about 115-125% of bench press strength. So, if you weighed roughly 200lb, and you benched 350+, it wouldn’t seem too inconceivable to hit +225 dip for a single. I wouldn’t recommend it, though.[/quote]
That’s why I don’t do dips LOL I am going to stick with assisted dips for now…
[quote]csulli wrote:
[quote]Mr.Jeannay wrote:
[quote]Smashingweights wrote:
200 pounds ADDED for pull ups and 225 pounds ADDED for dips?
Not sure if serious.[/quote]
Afaik the world record for dips is +400 pounds (marvin eder) about the pullup im not sure but i read somewhere there was someone who could do a single for triple bodyweight (i think it was jasper benincasa). those guys are definately freaks but i think 200 pounds for dips and pullups is doable[/quote]
How close are you to doing it? Your definition of doable is pretty ambitious lol.
Eric Spoto, recent world record holder in the raw bench press with 722lbs paused, doesn’t go above 225 added weight on dips. He does that for sets of like 10-15, but still. It is a HUGE amount of weight for that exercise.
I’ve never gone above 90lbs added for sets of 10. No idea how close that would put me.[/quote]
That’s what I was doing when I hit the 180 (which was essentially 1x bw) for 3. When I did that I was fresh, it was an off day and a few of us were just goofing off.
[quote]Mad Martigan wrote:
[quote]spar4tee wrote:
[quote]Mad Martigan wrote:
FWIW, I never thought dips were a good movement for a 1RM. Too much stress on my shoulders, IMO.
But, in my experience, the dip (including BW) is about 115-125% of bench press strength. So, if you weighed roughly 200lb, and you benched 350+, it wouldn’t seem too inconceivable to hit +225 dip for a single. I wouldn’t recommend it, though.[/quote]
naw[/quote]
Haha, which part?[/quote]
I feel that, if someone can dip that much, his/her bench has issues. The two have been very close in my experience.
[quote]spar4tee wrote:
[quote]Mad Martigan wrote:
[quote]spar4tee wrote:
[quote]Mad Martigan wrote:
FWIW, I never thought dips were a good movement for a 1RM. Too much stress on my shoulders, IMO.
But, in my experience, the dip (including BW) is about 115-125% of bench press strength. So, if you weighed roughly 200lb, and you benched 350+, it wouldn’t seem too inconceivable to hit +225 dip for a single. I wouldn’t recommend it, though.[/quote]
naw[/quote]
Haha, which part?[/quote]
I feel that, if someone can dip that much, his/her bench has issues. The two have been very close in my experience.[/quote]
Fair enough. I definitely appreciate that everyone’s experiences are different and the ratio will vary from person to person.
The reason I came up with the above is: I train at a pretty commercial gym, so I see a lot of young guys come and go, and they all seem obsessed with the top quarter of their physique. So, I see a lot of pressing, and for those who do dip, I see a lot of guys banging out reps at bodyweight who cannot bench their own bodyweight even once. I’ve also consistently dipped significantly more weight than I can bench.
But, maybe I’m a shitty bencher (or a great dipper(yeah!)). It’s more than possible. Also, my sample size is admittedly small. In any case, until I see evidence to the contrary, I’ll stand by my first comment.
[quote]Mad Martigan wrote:
[quote]spar4tee wrote:
[quote]Mad Martigan wrote:
[quote]spar4tee wrote:
[quote]Mad Martigan wrote:
FWIW, I never thought dips were a good movement for a 1RM. Too much stress on my shoulders, IMO.
But, in my experience, the dip (including BW) is about 115-125% of bench press strength. So, if you weighed roughly 200lb, and you benched 350+, it wouldn’t seem too inconceivable to hit +225 dip for a single. I wouldn’t recommend it, though.[/quote]
naw[/quote]
Haha, which part?[/quote]
I feel that, if someone can dip that much, his/her bench has issues. The two have been very close in my experience.[/quote]
Fair enough. I definitely appreciate that everyone’s experiences are different and the ratio will vary from person to person.
The reason I came up with the above is: I train at a pretty commercial gym, so I see a lot of young guys come and go, and they all seem obsessed with the top quarter of their physique. So, I see a lot of pressing, and for those who do dip, I see a lot of guys banging out reps at bodyweight who cannot bench their own bodyweight even once. I’ve also consistently dipped significantly more weight than I can bench.
But, maybe I’m a shitty bencher (or a great dipper(yeah!)). It’s more than possible. Also, my sample size is admittedly small. In any case, until I see evidence to the contrary, I’ll stand by my first comment.[/quote]
That’s because the dip replicates the force curve of “the perfect bench form for powerlifting”. There will always be some variance but anything beyond say 8% marks an issue be it structural, muscular, or technical. Issue isn’t necessarily used to denote something negative but merely a discrepancy in what would be otherwise standard form. Issue is normal.
This guy is strong
I noticed some people have mentioned these: 2XBW squat, 1.5XBW bench, and 2.5XBW deadlift, and bwX20 strict chin ups.
Exactly how heavy do you need to be for those to be worth considering strong in your opinion? Since I’m closing in on the bench/deadlift, and I’ve done the squat/chin ups, and I consider myself weak. All lifts are absolutely no gear (no belt, knee wraps, ect). If you are under 200 pounds should it be changed to 2.5Xbw squat, 2XBW bench, and 3XBW deadlift for it to be considered strong?
[quote]krummdiddy wrote:
This guy is strong
Greg Doucette IFBB PRO Bench Press 225 lbs 54 reps at 211 lbs NFL Combine Power Test - YouTube [/quote]
his technique is reeeeaaaaaally solid
[quote]krummdiddy wrote:
This guy is strong
that’s unreal. DAMN
[quote]DSSG wrote:
I noticed some people have mentioned these: 2XBW squat, 1.5XBW bench, and 2.5XBW deadlift, and bwX20 strict chin ups.
Exactly how heavy do you need to be for those to be worth considering strong in your opinion? Since I’m closing in on the bench/deadlift, and I’ve done the squat/chin ups, and I consider myself weak. All lifts are absolutely no gear (no belt, knee wraps, ect). If you are under 200 pounds should it be changed to 2.5Xbw squat, 2XBW bench, and 3XBW deadlift for it to be considered strong?[/quote]
If you mean as 1RM standards; then I believe that is where strong starts. [I would remove the chin-ups and add a 1.5BW bent row and a 1.0BW O.H. Press].
When a lifter is performing mutiple sets in the 4-6+ rep range at these levels, they are strong. Un-assisted lifters that reach the raw 3.0BW squat / 2.0BW bench / 3.0BW deadlift are rare at any bodyweight.
Strong is subjective, a 275 bench, 315 squat and 405 DL probably put you in the top 5% of the total population. So on the whole everyone who trains well for a fair amount of time is going to be strong. After that you are talking about comparative strength among peers and thats different from just “strong”
[quote]csulli wrote:
[quote]Mr.Jeannay wrote:
[quote]Smashingweights wrote:
200 pounds ADDED for pull ups and 225 pounds ADDED for dips?
Not sure if serious.[/quote]
Afaik the world record for dips is +400 pounds (marvin eder) about the pullup im not sure but i read somewhere there was someone who could do a single for triple bodyweight (i think it was jasper benincasa). those guys are definately freaks but i think 200 pounds for dips and pullups is doable[/quote]
How close are you to doing it? Your definition of doable is pretty ambitious lol.
Eric Spoto, recent world record holder in the raw bench press with 722lbs paused, doesn’t go above 225 added weight on dips. He does that for sets of like 10-15, but still. It is a HUGE amount of weight for that exercise.
I’ve never gone above 90lbs added for sets of 10. No idea how close that would put me.[/quote]
And eric spoto is a super heavy weight and dips are a bodyweight exercise and he still does 225 for multiple sets above 10 reps ( without focusing on it primarily). i dont know what you wanted to tell me with this example. yes 225 pounds on dips are impressive.
i experienced the same; if you add your bodyweight to the added weight you can dip more than you benchpress
[quote]Smashingweights wrote:
200 pounds ADDED for pull ups and 225 pounds ADDED for dips?
Not sure if serious.[/quote]
I’m completely serious. I’m at +140 x 5 for dips and I’m weak. I just did pullups with +115 for five singles and I’m disgusted at my pansy weak lats. When I can dip +225 and pullup +200 then I’ll be strong. This whole topic is subjective to our own definitions of strong and weak.
[quote]elliottcorum wrote:
[quote]Smashingweights wrote:
200 pounds ADDED for pull ups and 225 pounds ADDED for dips?
Not sure if serious.[/quote]
I’m completely serious. I’m at +140 x 5 for dips and I’m weak. I just did pullups with +115 for five singles and I’m disgusted at my pansy weak lats. When I can dip +225 and pullup +200 then I’ll be strong. This whole topic is subjective to our own definitions of strong and weak.[/quote]
Strength is always relative to something; usually others performing the same or similar feats.
I think 50 BW dips and 100 straight push-ups is pretty impressive.