[quote]malonetd wrote:
malonetd wrote:
KBCThird wrote:
How did this thread last beyond the first response?
Because people like to hear themselves post.
Ain’t that the truth![/quote]
Haha.
i don’t know if i’m right or wrong, but the first time i ever saw the acronym RE used for the repetition method was from DeFranco.
I thought it meant Really Easy .
damn it all…now I gotta re-do my whole program
[quote]iamthewolf wrote:
i don’t know if i’m right or wrong, but the first time i ever saw the acronym RE used for the repetition method was from DeFranco.[/quote]
even though it was around far before that.
this is what I was talking about.
[quote]KBCThird wrote:
How did this thread last beyond the first response?[/quote]
The only reason I clicked on the thread was because i go “how the hell can there be 22 responses?!”
I quickly scanned through the responses and didn’t see Repeated Effort mentioned, so I figured I’d throw that out there for the group.
The Repeated Effort Method is weight that is done for a double. It’s something pretty heavy but not a balls out max.
To my knowledge, they’re doing a lot of this now with Squat and Bench training on the speed days, in gear.
[quote]Dominator wrote:
I quickly scanned through the responses and didn’t see Repeated Effort mentioned, so I figured I’d throw that out there for the group.
The Repeated Effort Method is weight that is done for a double. It’s something pretty heavy but not a balls out max.
To my knowledge, they’re doing a lot of this now with Squat and Bench training on the speed days, in gear.[/quote]
Wouldn’t heavy doubles be covered under the max effort method tho??? Since they’re usually done in the 1-3 rep range.
[quote]Hanley wrote:
Wouldn’t heavy doubles be covered under the max effort method tho??? Since they’re usually done in the 1-3 rep range.[/quote]
No, the Repeated Effort is different than the Max Effort. It’s typically done on speed days and they work up to heavy, geared doubles on squat and bench, singles on deadlift. These aren’t max effort however but they’re pretty damn close. Some would classify the Repeated Effort as a way of labeling geared accessory work done right after speed work.
You can say that the lifting has changed from the classic Westside model. Guys still do speed work, but they work up heavier a lot more frequently than in the past. Also, they are in gear all the time now. Before, you’d only see gear on Max Effort, briefs on Dynamic Squat days, but now, it’s pretty much gear all the time and trying to get as good in the gear as possible.
For Bench, most will do a few speed sets, raw, with or without contrast, right after that though, on go the shirts and they start working the boards for doubles.
With squat, most will do speed sets with contrast with briefs on. After a few sets, on go the suits and they start working up to heavy doubles. They’ll do the same with deads, but singles and for fewer sets.
What about Southside?
No one seems agree on what it is.
[quote]Nominal Prospect wrote:
No one seems agree on what it is. [/quote]
It just refers to the quality of training that is not ME or DE. I am not sure RE is officially part of the Westside training method but rather something that was adopted to meet some other training goal within the program itself.
Regardless, it stands for repetitive effort.
[quote]Dominator wrote:
Hanley wrote:
Wouldn’t heavy doubles be covered under the max effort method tho??? Since they’re usually done in the 1-3 rep range.
No, the Repeated Effort is different than the Max Effort. It’s typically done on speed days and they work up to heavy, geared doubles on squat and bench, singles on deadlift. These aren’t max effort however but they’re pretty damn close. Some would classify the Repeated Effort as a way of labeling geared accessory work done right after speed work.
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You should read more and talk less
Modified Repetition Method Parameters.
Load (Intensity) 60-80%
of Exercises All supplementary and accessory lifts
Sets/Reps 3-8/6-15
Rest Interval 1-3min
Frequency/Week All Workouts
Weeks/Exercise 1-5
http://www.elitefts.com/documents/Training-bp.htm
By Jim Wendler
[quote]zephead4747 wrote:
Dominator wrote:
Hanley wrote:
Wouldn’t heavy doubles be covered under the max effort method tho??? Since they’re usually done in the 1-3 rep range.
No, the Repeated Effort is different than the Max Effort. It’s typically done on speed days and they work up to heavy, geared doubles on squat and bench, singles on deadlift. These aren’t max effort however but they’re pretty damn close. Some would classify the Repeated Effort as a way of labeling geared accessory work done right after speed work.
You should read more and talk less
Modified Repetition Method Parameters.
Load (Intensity) 60-80%
of Exercises All supplementary and accessory lifts
Sets/Reps 3-8/6-15
Rest Interval 1-3min
Frequency/Week All Workouts
Weeks/Exercise 1-5
http://www.elitefts.com/documents/Training-bp.htm
By Jim Wendler
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If anyone but Dominator had posted that I woulda slagged them, but his posts usually seem to be on the money, so I’d love to see him come back and defend his stance!
[quote]Hanley wrote:
zephead4747 wrote:
Dominator wrote:
Hanley wrote:
Wouldn’t heavy doubles be covered under the max effort method tho??? Since they’re usually done in the 1-3 rep range.
No, the Repeated Effort is different than the Max Effort. It’s typically done on speed days and they work up to heavy, geared doubles on squat and bench, singles on deadlift. These aren’t max effort however but they’re pretty damn close. Some would classify the Repeated Effort as a way of labeling geared accessory work done right after speed work.
You should read more and talk less
Modified Repetition Method Parameters.
Load (Intensity) 60-80%
of Exercises All supplementary and accessory lifts
Sets/Reps 3-8/6-15
Rest Interval 1-3min
Frequency/Week All Workouts
Weeks/Exercise 1-5
http://www.elitefts.com/documents/Training-bp.htm
By Jim Wendler
If anyone but Dominator had posted that I woulda slagged them, but his posts usually seem to be on the money, so I’d love to see him come back and defend his stance!
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I’m sure he’s a smart guy and knows his shit. THere’s a lot of wrong information floating around there and it needs to stop. It took me 2 minutes to verify what RE training is.
End the thread. Just end it.
Technically, isn’t all training repeated effort?
Like unless you do one lift in your life and then go home. But technically that wouldn’t be training… just testing?
So when one says “training” they pretty much imply that a repeated effort is involved!
What Dominator was talking about sounds sort of like what I’ve heard referred to as submaximal effort (SE). Usually it’s defined as something like 4-6 reps, with up to about 85%. Basically heavier RE. I really don’t even know why some people consider it a seperate modality.
What I’m wondering is how on earth people can train the bench heavy twice a week and actually recover and make PRs.
It’s really not that bad for short periods unless you’re either very strong (and thus do a lot of damage each workout) or have really crappy recovery.
[quote]zephead4747 wrote:
Dominator wrote:
Hanley wrote:
Wouldn’t heavy doubles be covered under the max effort method tho??? Since they’re usually done in the 1-3 rep range.
No, the Repeated Effort is different than the Max Effort. It’s typically done on speed days and they work up to heavy, geared doubles on squat and bench, singles on deadlift. These aren’t max effort however but they’re pretty damn close. Some would classify the Repeated Effort as a way of labeling geared accessory work done right after speed work.
You should read more and talk less
Modified Repetition Method Parameters.
Load (Intensity) 60-80%
of Exercises All supplementary and accessory lifts
Sets/Reps 3-8/6-15
Rest Interval 1-3min
Frequency/Week All Workouts
Weeks/Exercise 1-5
http://www.elitefts.com/documents/Training-bp.htm
By Jim Wendler
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Wow, I should read more and talk less…
You should lift more and shut up!