“If powerlifters had to squat medium stance ATG, could not bench with ultrawide grips, and could not use equipment, Simmons would not be a good powerlifting coach.”
thoughts?
[quote]Paul33 wrote:
“If powerlifters had to squat medium stance ATG, could not bench with ultrawide grips, and could not use equipment, Simmons would not be a good powerlifting coach.”
thoughts?[/quote]
Kind of a dumb statement he made imo.
“If birds didn’t have feathers or hollow bones, they wouldn’t be very good at flying.”
Louie’s methods are primarily designed for geared lifters to hit the biggest powerlifting total possible. Nothing else.
[quote]csulli wrote:
[quote]Paul33 wrote:
“If powerlifters had to squat medium stance ATG, could not bench with ultrawide grips, and could not use equipment, Simmons would not be a good powerlifting coach.”
thoughts?[/quote]
Kind of a dumb statement he made imo.
“If birds didn’t have feathers or hollow bones, they wouldn’t be very good at flying.”
Louie’s methods are primarily designed for geared lifters to hit the biggest powerlifting total possible. Nothing else.[/quote]
he was probably referring to when his methods are attempted to be used outside of geared lifting, ie raw . also have you seen him trying to use bands on olympics lifters?
[quote]Paul33 wrote:
[quote]csulli wrote:
[quote]Paul33 wrote:
“If powerlifters had to squat medium stance ATG, could not bench with ultrawide grips, and could not use equipment, Simmons would not be a good powerlifting coach.”
thoughts?[/quote]
Kind of a dumb statement he made imo.
“If birds didn’t have feathers or hollow bones, they wouldn’t be very good at flying.”
Louie’s methods are primarily designed for geared lifters to hit the biggest powerlifting total possible. Nothing else.[/quote]
he was probably referring to when his methods are attempted to be used outside of geared lifting, ie raw . also have you seen him trying to use bands on olympics lifters?[/quote]
See that’s where I agree that Louie goes a bit off the wagon trail. I would never say he’s a bad powerlifting coach (geared lifting at least), but all the bands and box squats and shit for athletes and weightlifters and stuff just doesn’t pan out.
yeah definitely. to me though geared stuff has gotten so over the top, i dont even know whats good, i mean i can even quantify it
[quote]csulli wrote:
[quote]Paul33 wrote:
“If powerlifters had to squat medium stance ATG, could not bench with ultrawide grips, and could not use equipment, Simmons would not be a good powerlifting coach.”
thoughts?[/quote]
Kind of a dumb statement he made imo.
“If birds didn’t have feathers or hollow bones, they wouldn’t be very good at flying.”
Louie’s methods are primarily designed for geared lifters to hit the biggest powerlifting total possible. Nothing else.[/quote]
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I mean, he trains his athletes according to the rules as they exist in the fed he or she is training for. I think that makes him an excellent coach.
Box squats haven’t panned out for athletes?
[quote]Paul33 wrote:
[quote]csulli wrote:
[quote]Paul33 wrote:
“If powerlifters had to squat medium stance ATG, could not bench with ultrawide grips, and could not use equipment, Simmons would not be a good powerlifting coach.”
thoughts?[/quote]
Kind of a dumb statement he made imo.
“If birds didn’t have feathers or hollow bones, they wouldn’t be very good at flying.”
Louie’s methods are primarily designed for geared lifters to hit the biggest powerlifting total possible. Nothing else.[/quote]
he was probably referring to when his methods are attempted to be used outside of geared lifting, ie raw . also have you seen him trying to use bands on olympics lifters?[/quote]
When he first started using bands/chains…didn’t people think of them then, kind of like how you’re thinking of olympic lifts with bands/chains now?
My conclusion so far is that he is simply not that knowledgeable or intelligent as a coach. His methods work for multi-ply lifting; this is mainly because he has tried different things out on a large group of lifters over a long period of time, keeping the methods that seem to produce records.
He has not found a brilliant method in my opinion, just one that is effective alongside strong motivation and confidence in sticking to the program, plus the ability to train around injury with lift variations.
I would listen to some of his advice for powerlifting, but he should shut up when it comes to anything else (at least for now). None of this means that I don’t respect his dedication to the sport, however. He is, after all, one of the most famous faces in powerlifting - this is not a coincidence.
[quote]halcj wrote:
My conclusion so far is that he is simply not that knowledgeable or intelligent as a coach. His methods work for multi-ply lifting; this is mainly because he has tried different things out on a large group of lifters over a long period of time, keeping the methods that seem to produce records. He has not found a brilliant method in my opinion, just one that is effective alongside strong motivation and confidence in sticking to the program, plus the ability to train around injury with lift variations.
I would listen to some of his advice for powerlifting, but he should shut up when it comes to anything else (at least for now). None of this means that I don’t respect his dedication to the sport, however. He is, after all, one of the most famous faces in powerlifting - this is not a coincidence.[/quote]
I’m curious if you’ve actually been coached by Louie, or are basing this off of what you have read/heard.
[quote]halcj wrote:
My conclusion so far is that he is simply not that knowledgeable or intelligent as a coach. [/quote]
Of all the things I have read on this site, this takes the cake for most ignorant statement.
[quote]Paul33 wrote:
“If powerlifters had to squat medium stance ATG, could not bench with ultrawide grips, and could not use equipment, Simmons would not be a good powerlifting coach.”
thoughts?[/quote]
If these things were the case, Simmons (a very good coach) would change his methods to fit the requirements of the sport.
[quote]chobbs wrote:
[quote]Paul33 wrote:
[quote]csulli wrote:
[quote]Paul33 wrote:
“If powerlifters had to squat medium stance ATG, could not bench with ultrawide grips, and could not use equipment, Simmons would not be a good powerlifting coach.”
thoughts?[/quote]
Kind of a dumb statement he made imo.
“If birds didn’t have feathers or hollow bones, they wouldn’t be very good at flying.”
Louie’s methods are primarily designed for geared lifters to hit the biggest powerlifting total possible. Nothing else.[/quote]
he was probably referring to when his methods are attempted to be used outside of geared lifting, ie raw . also have you seen him trying to use bands on olympics lifters?[/quote]
When he first started using bands/chains…didn’t people think of them then, kind of like how you’re thinking of olympic lifts with bands/chains now?[/quote]
louie wasent the first to try to use them, Dr fred hatfield, probably one of the greatest powerlifters ever and also one of the smartest , used them in the 70s and realised they were useless. also, powerlifting and olympic lifting are massively different, if bands and chains helped oly lifting they would have been in use for decades already. the likelihood of him being a genius who has found the key to strength, as opposed to just trying to jam a square peg in a round hole, is low
[quote]csulli wrote:
[quote]Paul33 wrote:
[quote]csulli wrote:
[quote]Paul33 wrote:
“If powerlifters had to squat medium stance ATG, could not bench with ultrawide grips, and could not use equipment, Simmons would not be a good powerlifting coach.”
thoughts?[/quote]
Kind of a dumb statement he made imo.
“If birds didn’t have feathers or hollow bones, they wouldn’t be very good at flying.”
Louie’s methods are primarily designed for geared lifters to hit the biggest powerlifting total possible. Nothing else.[/quote]
he was probably referring to when his methods are attempted to be used outside of geared lifting, ie raw . also have you seen him trying to use bands on olympics lifters?[/quote]
See that’s where I agree that Louie goes a bit off the wagon trail. I would never say he’s a bad powerlifting coach (geared lifting at least), but all the bands and box squats and shit for athletes and weightlifters and stuff just doesn’t pan out.[/quote]
This type of comment which I see often just makes me shake my head. For the most parts bands and chains are used to accommodate resistance, just as using single and multiply gear does. Westside style training can be done without any accommodating resistance and work for the raw lifter.
You pick ME exercises that will help your big three, you pick supplemental for the same and your RE efforts emphasize (from most important to least which are different for raw and geared lifters) those more isolated muscles groups you need to work on. Dynamic days can be done without any accommodating resistance at all, the percentages just have to be altered upwards to the point where you are working on raw speed work, not geared speed work.
Westside is not bands and chains. It is what they use to simulate gear when training. Westside is selected movements on ME days, DE days to work on form and force production, and RE exercises to complement any lagging muscle groups.
[quote]Rock978 wrote:
[quote]halcj wrote:
My conclusion so far is that he is simply not that knowledgeable or intelligent as a coach. [/quote]
Of all the things I have read on this site, this takes the cake for most ignorant statement.[/quote]
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Since following this site in 1999 this chat is by far the most idiotic debate I have ever seen on this site. Including all the political and religious back and forth bs this chat beats all.
Whether u agree with his methods or not he is a genius of a coach. Or else he would not have multiple athletes with world records. End of story. You don’t have that level of success coaching if you’re “not that intelligent a coach”
[quote]officerskinny wrote:
Since following this site in 1999 this chat is by far the most idiotic debate I have ever seen on this site. Including all the political and religious back and forth bs this chat beats all. [/quote]
You get this argument because Louie goes for the segment where he can make money off of it, multiply. There isn’t a whole lot of money coming in from elsewhere
[quote]BacktotheBar wrote:
[quote]csulli wrote:
[quote]Paul33 wrote:
[quote]csulli wrote:
[quote]Paul33 wrote:
“If powerlifters had to squat medium stance ATG, could not bench with ultrawide grips, and could not use equipment, Simmons would not be a good powerlifting coach.”
thoughts?[/quote]
Kind of a dumb statement he made imo.
“If birds didn’t have feathers or hollow bones, they wouldn’t be very good at flying.”
Louie’s methods are primarily designed for geared lifters to hit the biggest powerlifting total possible. Nothing else.[/quote]
he was probably referring to when his methods are attempted to be used outside of geared lifting, ie raw . also have you seen him trying to use bands on olympics lifters?[/quote]
See that’s where I agree that Louie goes a bit off the wagon trail. I would never say he’s a bad powerlifting coach (geared lifting at least), but all the bands and box squats and shit for athletes and weightlifters and stuff just doesn’t pan out.[/quote]
This type of comment which I see often just makes me shake my head. For the most parts bands and chains are used to accommodate resistance, just as using single and multiply gear does. Westside style training can be done without any accommodating resistance and work for the raw lifter.
You pick ME exercises that will help your big three, you pick supplemental for the same and your RE efforts emphasize (from most important to least which are different for raw and geared lifters) those more isolated muscles groups you need to work on. Dynamic days can be done without any accommodating resistance at all, the percentages just have to be altered upwards to the point where you are working on raw speed work, not geared speed work.
Westside is not bands and chains. It is what they use to simulate gear when training. Westside is selected movements on ME days, DE days to work on form and force production, and RE exercises to complement any lagging muscle groups.[/quote]
I agree with the majority of your post, but I believe the accomodating resistance is to overload the top portions of the lift, where geared lifters are weakest.
[quote]DonDooley wrote:
[quote]BacktotheBar wrote:
[quote]csulli wrote:
[quote]Paul33 wrote:
[quote]csulli wrote:
[quote]Paul33 wrote:
“If powerlifters had to squat medium stance ATG, could not bench with ultrawide grips, and could not use equipment, Simmons would not be a good powerlifting coach.”
thoughts?[/quote]
Kind of a dumb statement he made imo.
“If birds didn’t have feathers or hollow bones, they wouldn’t be very good at flying.”
Louie’s methods are primarily designed for geared lifters to hit the biggest powerlifting total possible. Nothing else.[/quote]
he was probably referring to when his methods are attempted to be used outside of geared lifting, ie raw . also have you seen him trying to use bands on olympics lifters?[/quote]
See that’s where I agree that Louie goes a bit off the wagon trail. I would never say he’s a bad powerlifting coach (geared lifting at least), but all the bands and box squats and shit for athletes and weightlifters and stuff just doesn’t pan out.[/quote]
This type of comment which I see often just makes me shake my head. For the most parts bands and chains are used to accommodate resistance, just as using single and multiply gear does. Westside style training can be done without any accommodating resistance and work for the raw lifter.
You pick ME exercises that will help your big three, you pick supplemental for the same and your RE efforts emphasize (from most important to least which are different for raw and geared lifters) those more isolated muscles groups you need to work on. Dynamic days can be done without any accommodating resistance at all, the percentages just have to be altered upwards to the point where you are working on raw speed work, not geared speed work.
Westside is not bands and chains. It is what they use to simulate gear when training. Westside is selected movements on ME days, DE days to work on form and force production, and RE exercises to complement any lagging muscle groups.[/quote]
I agree with the majority of your post, but I believe the accomodating resistance is to overload the top portions of the lift, where geared lifters are weakest.[/quote]
That is exactly what I was saying!