What's 'Natural', What's 'Assisted'?

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[quote]BHappy wrote:

[quote]Dr. Pangloss wrote:
The distinction is meaningless unless you’re participating in a competition that expressly prohibits certain kinds of supplementation. Then, according to that federation you’re not “natural”.[/quote]

That is 1 way to see it that i totally agree with.

In my honest opinion natural is a thing of the past.
If we go back to way past olympics, the competitors were not professionals/amateurs.
Today all it is, is $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$.
Being active, fitness, training was wayyyy back about health.

For health oriented people doing new things is not suggested. It takes about 4-5 generations to evaluate if a food is beneficial or detrimental(about 100 years).
For activities, yoga, tai-chi, meditation have milleniums of proven records in all clutrures, on all continents.
Today many countries do not list “improved foods/genetically modified” so we are forced to eat new stuff without knowing the real effects so we are not naturals.

Look at fads, jogging and aerobics were hot, than came “low impact aerobics”
I am not talking about resistance training wich is not new. I am talking about buying things that our grand fathers could not have bought.
I live in Montreal in the middle of the st-lawrence river. It is a knowned fact for 35 years that all the chemicals make it unsafe but people drink it and each of our mayors certifies it is the BEST !

Around the world reproduction challenges for humans are about 5% but here 25%. Nobody within 80 kilometers of our seaway is natural. After tchernobyl no european is natural, etc…

All the best ![/quote]

POST OF THE YEAR

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[quote]gregron wrote:

[quote]imhungry wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]imhungry wrote:

[quote]Kooopa wrote:

nobody should give a shit about HGH because i don’t see any advantage in it for lifting weights/building your physique[/quote]

Wow.

Can you expand your thoughts on this, please?[/quote]

Wait…we really want that?[/quote]

Well, I did.

I needed a laugh after catching up on the racist Panda thread.[/quote]

What? Racist panda? How is that possible when pandas are half black and half white?[/quote]

Obama’s a panda?

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[quote]Airtruth wrote:

[quote]gregron wrote:

[quote]imhungry wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]imhungry wrote:

[quote]Kooopa wrote:

nobody should give a shit about HGH because i don’t see any advantage in it for lifting weights/building your physique[/quote]

Wow.

Can you expand your thoughts on this, please?[/quote]

Wait…we really want that?[/quote]

Well, I did.

I needed a laugh after catching up on the racist Panda thread.[/quote]

What? Racist panda? How is that possible when pandas are half black and half white?[/quote]

Obama’s a panda?
[/quote]

Obama’s an Asian panda who hates himself?

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People can use some common sense to get an idea of what would be considered “natural” or not. No point in getting into it because it just goes in circles and no one is going to change their mind.

Some people are born with great genetics, some people are hard workers, some people are willing to take physical, financial and legal risks by using drugs. Some may qualify for all of the above. There is no such thing as a level playing field in life/business/sports so why bother asking these questions.

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[quote]BHappy wrote:

For activities, yoga, tai-chi, meditation have milleniums of proven records in all clutrures, on all continents.

[/quote]

“Yoga as we know it today – a set of postures (asanas) combined with breathing techniques – dates back to around the grand old year of 1960”(Coville) from cracked. You gotta stop believing all the crap you see on the internet

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www.ifbb.com/page.php?id=23

www.ifbb.com/pdf/IFBB_Anti-Doping_Rules_2009_Final.pdf

It seems like a lot of the pro-drug arguments center around the rules.
I’m pro-drug, but I think the blatant lying makes it seem we have something to feel guilty about, my contention is that those of us that are pro-drug are hurting ourselves by tacitly admitting that the behavior is unethical because we lie about it, at some levels the lying has become institutionalized, there in forcing and propagating the lying.
All feds claim to be anti drug, the degree to which they make their athlete’s deny it is then the perceived reality.
Supposition and innuendo have become “truth”, because we’ve reinforced the lying.
Why does no one ever bring up the ifbb’s drug stance in these arguments?
Because it would be silly but in it’s silliness nullifies any “cheating is things outside the rules” arguments.

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[quote]ElevenMag wrote:

[quote]BHappy wrote:

For activities, yoga, tai-chi, meditation have milleniums of proven records in all clutrures, on all continents.

[/quote]

“Yoga as we know it today – a set of postures (asanas) combined with breathing techniques – dates back to around the grand old year of 1960”(Coville) from cracked. You gotta stop believing all the crap you see on the internet[/quote]

I had never hearded from your quote cracked so i searched it:

“A funny website filled with funny videos, pics, articles, and a whole bunch of other funny stuff. Cracked.com, celebrating 50 years of humor.”

I am 55 and i can tell you 1960 is not an errror, it is totally wrong. Believe what you want, i am not going to argue with you. Would you argue with a 10 years old ?

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[quote]Ct. Rockula wrote:

[quote]BHappy wrote:

[quote]Dr. Pangloss wrote:
The distinction is meaningless unless you’re participating in a competition that expressly prohibits certain kinds of supplementation. Then, according to that federation you’re not “natural”.[/quote]

That is 1 way to see it that i totally agree with.

In my honest opinion natural is a thing of the past.
If we go back to way past olympics, the competitors were not professionals/amateurs.
Today all it is, is $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$.
Being active, fitness, training was wayyyy back about health.

For health oriented people doing new things is not suggested. It takes about 4-5 generations to evaluate if a food is beneficial or detrimental(about 100 years).
For activities, yoga, tai-chi, meditation have milleniums of proven records in all clutrures, on all continents.
Today many countries do not list “improved foods/genetically modified” so we are forced to eat new stuff without knowing the real effects so we are not naturals.

Look at fads, jogging and aerobics were hot, than came “low impact aerobics”
I am not talking about resistance training wich is not new. I am talking about buying things that our grand fathers could not have bought.
I live in Montreal in the middle of the st-lawrence river. It is a knowned fact for 35 years that all the chemicals make it unsafe but people drink it and each of our mayors certifies it is the BEST !

Around the world reproduction challenges for humans are about 5% but here 25%. Nobody within 80 kilometers of our seaway is natural. After tchernobyl no european is natural, etc…

All the best ![/quote]

POST OF THE YEAR[/quote]

Nope this one was far more educational and filled with knowledge bombs:

[quote]Kooopa wrote:
when a lifter runs a cycle of AAS he gives up his natural status imho.

taking epinephrine would surely make your workouts a little more intense but thats about it. calling someone, who has appropriate levels of insulin, so no diabetics etc, unnatural because of insulin seems pretty dumb to me because there is little to no benefit coming from it w/o combining it with AAS.

nobody should give a shit about HGH because i don’t see any advantage in it for lifting weights/building your physique[/quote]

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[quote]Iron_Made wrote:

[quote]Ct. Rockula wrote:

[quote]BHappy wrote:

[quote]Dr. Pangloss wrote:
The distinction is meaningless unless you’re participating in a competition that expressly prohibits certain kinds of supplementation. Then, according to that federation you’re not “natural”.[/quote]

That is 1 way to see it that i totally agree with.

In my honest opinion natural is a thing of the past.
If we go back to way past olympics, the competitors were not professionals/amateurs.
Today all it is, is $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$.
Being active, fitness, training was wayyyy back about health.

For health oriented people doing new things is not suggested. It takes about 4-5 generations to evaluate if a food is beneficial or detrimental(about 100 years).
For activities, yoga, tai-chi, meditation have milleniums of proven records in all clutrures, on all continents.
Today many countries do not list “improved foods/genetically modified” so we are forced to eat new stuff without knowing the real effects so we are not naturals.

Look at fads, jogging and aerobics were hot, than came “low impact aerobics”
I am not talking about resistance training wich is not new. I am talking about buying things that our grand fathers could not have bought.
I live in Montreal in the middle of the st-lawrence river. It is a knowned fact for 35 years that all the chemicals make it unsafe but people drink it and each of our mayors certifies it is the BEST !

Around the world reproduction challenges for humans are about 5% but here 25%. Nobody within 80 kilometers of our seaway is natural. After tchernobyl no european is natural, etc…

All the best ![/quote]

POST OF THE YEAR[/quote]

Nope this one was far more educational and filled with knowledge bombs:

[quote]Kooopa wrote:
when a lifter runs a cycle of AAS he gives up his natural status imho.

taking epinephrine would surely make your workouts a little more intense but thats about it. calling someone, who has appropriate levels of insulin, so no diabetics etc, unnatural because of insulin seems pretty dumb to me because there is little to no benefit coming from it w/o combining it with AAS.

nobody should give a shit about HGH because i don’t see any advantage in it for lifting weights/building your physique[/quote]
[/quote]

yer because HGH has nothing to with all the mass monsters he see today lol. seriously but HGH has a huge impact in bodybuilding today.

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[quote]BHappy wrote:

[quote]ElevenMag wrote:

[quote]BHappy wrote:

For activities, yoga, tai-chi, meditation have milleniums of proven records in all clutrures, on all continents.

[/quote]

“Yoga as we know it today – a set of postures (asanas) combined with breathing techniques – dates back to around the grand old year of 1960”(Coville) from cracked. You gotta stop believing all the crap you see on the internet[/quote]

I had never hearded from your quote cracked so i searched it:

“A funny website filled with funny videos, pics, articles, and a whole bunch of other funny stuff. Cracked.com, celebrating 50 years of humor.”

I am 55 and i can tell you 1960 is not an errror, it is totally wrong. Believe what you want, i am not going to argue with you. Would you argue with a 10 years old ?

[/quote]

They don’t let you link to other lifting websites but here is the direct quote

Though Cracked recently blew the butt cheeks off of the concept of yoga as an ancient form of exercise, they weren’t really 100% accurate. According to Cracked, “Yoga as we know it today – a set of postures (asanas) combined with breathing techniques – dates back to around the grand old year of 1960”(Coville). Hatha yoga has never, in India, been considered to be exercise. Instead, that shit was used by yogis who basically tried to remain still as they starved to death. Hatha yoga dates to the 15th Century and was apparently invented so monks could stand around and just breathe, and was later introduced to the West as a codified series of movements taught by people wearing pastel and speaking with a ridiculous, super-chill affectation in their voice in the mid-1900s. Western yoga is basically a combination of the standing around done by the ancient monks and their breathing exercises with a couple of traditional strength movements added in for fun, which is why people think it’s “exercise” I suppose. The strength movements that form the basis of yoga have existed for about a thousand years thousands of years and are considered to be both gymnastics (mallakhamb) and bodybuilding exercises. Most of the movements you see in a yoga class at your gym arise out of basic mallakhamb asanas (postures). Mallakhamb was used by wrestlers and the average people since about the 1100s as a means by which to develop and maintain physical strength without equipment. Over time, the movements expanded in scope and it flourished, then fell from national prominence with as foreign powers took hold of India. There are two distinct types of mallakhamb in its current form, and neither of which is performed on the ground like modern yoga. What you think of as yoga, by the way, is about as much like traditional Indian gymnastics as the broad from Shrek is like Texas Alexis- nothing whatsofuckingever. The postures you assume in yoga are essentially the first baby steps toward doing real mallakhamb asanas, which are postures for which you have to be equal parts high-wire artist, balance beam expert, and loincloth-clad pole dancer. Oh, that’s right motherfuckers- they do all that shit on top of a nine foot tall freestanding pole or hanging from a fucking rope .

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[quote]ElevenMag wrote:

[quote]BHappy wrote:

[quote]ElevenMag wrote:

[quote]BHappy wrote:

For activities, yoga, tai-chi, meditation have milleniums of proven records in all clutrures, on all continents.

[/quote]

“Yoga as we know it today – a set of postures (asanas) combined with breathing techniques – dates back to around the grand old year of 1960”(Coville) from cracked. You gotta stop believing all the crap you see on the internet[/quote]

I had never hearded from your quote cracked so i searched it:

“A funny website filled with funny videos, pics, articles, and a whole bunch of other funny stuff. Cracked.com, celebrating 50 years of humor.”

I am 55 and i can tell you 1960 is not an errror, it is totally wrong. Believe what you want, i am not going to argue with you. Would you argue with a 10 years old ?

[/quote]

They don’t let you link to other lifting websites but here is the direct quote

Though Cracked recently blew the butt cheeks off of the concept of yoga as an ancient form of exercise, they weren’t really 100% accurate. According to Cracked, “Yoga as we know it today – a set of postures (asanas) combined with breathing techniques – dates back to around the grand old year of 1960”(Coville). Hatha yoga has never, in India, been considered to be exercise. Instead, that shit was used by yogis who basically tried to remain still as they starved to death. Hatha yoga dates to the 15th Century and was apparently invented so monks could stand around and just breathe, and was later introduced to the West as a codified series of movements taught by people wearing pastel and speaking with a ridiculous, super-chill affectation in their voice in the mid-1900s. Western yoga is basically a combination of the standing around done by the ancient monks and their breathing exercises with a couple of traditional strength movements added in for fun, which is why people think it’s “exercise” I suppose. The strength movements that form the basis of yoga have existed for about a thousand years thousands of years and are considered to be both gymnastics (mallakhamb) and bodybuilding exercises. Most of the movements you see in a yoga class at your gym arise out of basic mallakhamb asanas (postures). Mallakhamb was used by wrestlers and the average people since about the 1100s as a means by which to develop and maintain physical strength without equipment. Over time, the movements expanded in scope and it flourished, then fell from national prominence with as foreign powers took hold of India. There are two distinct types of mallakhamb in its current form, and neither of which is performed on the ground like modern yoga. What you think of as yoga, by the way, is about as much like traditional Indian gymnastics as the broad from Shrek is like Texas Alexis- nothing whatsofuckingever. The postures you assume in yoga are essentially the first baby steps toward doing real mallakhamb asanas, which are postures for which you have to be equal parts high-wire artist, balance beam expert, and loincloth-clad pole dancer. Oh, that’s right motherfuckers- they do all that shit on top of a nine foot tall freestanding pole or hanging from a fucking rope .[/quote]

lol that’s almost as funny as that video earlier in this thread. Well trolled, sir. Well trolled.

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one of my greatgrandfathers owned a gym in India, the other a temple

both did yoga, but it didn’t resemble what modern yoga is, apart from the sun salutation (youtube this). The sun salutation and its forms are alright, I’ll do them b/c its a good way to stretch all the shit I normally would - hip flexors, chest, and spine effectively. The vast majority of yoga would be holding a pose while meditating/praying - it wasn’t really exercise, rather it was a way to stay in a position for a long time and think/breathe clearly

also a big stfu to all the indian/other women that I know who think they’re yoga gurus and will someday look good because of all the “yoga” they do. They of course are not able to do a pushup or hold a plank after years of yoga and will come to me for workout/diet advice that they’ll never follow for more than a day.

In conclusion, modern yoga was created for and by assholes