Debating Whether to Do GOMAD

Nutrition
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So I am debating wheter to do GOMAD (in conjunction with 5/3/1)

At present I am 5’11 and about 73kg, not sure on BF but I would say between 13-16%.

I would like to get up to 85kg at 13 - 16% BF and one route I was thinking of was to do GOMAD until I get to 90kg and then cut back.

Thing is the more I research GOMAD the more uncomfortable I feel about it. I mean I have no doubt I could get to 90kg on GOMAD but how much muscle will I put on? It seems like a lot of the weight gain will be fat even if I am lifting a lot.

Another thing I am concerned about is my strenght increasing on GOMAD only to plummet back once I start cutting back.

I am in no rush really and I wonder would I be better gradually building things up?

An alternative diet I was considering is as follows:

Meal 1 - Fruit, egg, peanut butter, oats, protein powder, seeds, milk smoothie
Meal 2- Handful of nuts
Meal 3 - Tuna mayo sandwhich with fruit
Meal 4 - Cottage cheese + handful of nuts
Meal 5 - Beef stir fry/chicken curry with brown rice/steak
Meal 6 - Casein shake with oats, peanut butter and milk

Would that be a better option.

I should also say I tend to put on weight easy enough and tend to store it around my midsection which is also putting me off GOMAD. My main goal is strenght gain…dont necessarily care about looking pretty but dont want to look like a fat slob either (as I would feel ****)

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I have a high metabolism and I don’t put on weight very easily. I used GOMAD successfully to put on weight, and minimal fat. But that’s my metabolism, and I was also living primarily off of whole milk with no other foods. It can be done; the biggest key to getting it down is to just keep drinking it throughout the day.

However, I wouldn’t recommend it.

In terms of fat gain, with GOMAD it’s just like with any other diet. If you take in too many calories, some of it will turn into fat. If you’re doing GOMAD and getting fat, stop drinking the full gallon. The milk itself isn’t the reason people get fat on it.

If you have the discipline to do the other diet you suggested, I would recommend doing that or something similar. GOMAD is just a cheap, easy way to get enough calories and protein in – it has plenty of casein and whey – but it’s not the best source for fats, vitamins, minerals.

In the early 1900s, some doctors used to prescribe “the milk diet”, where the patients lived exclusively off of FRESH RAW milk. This milk had lots of nutritional value that our milk today simply doesn’t have.

(If you’re at all interested, I’m currently putting on weight with shakes made from half&half, raw eggs, and protein powder along with lots of meat; they seem to be working well for me. This is from a Vince Gironda diet.)

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GOMAD can be expensive if you buy fresh raw milk, which is the only option I would accept on my body. I would not drink 1 gallon of supermarket milk adulterated with tons of hormones and shit I don’t know about.

Btw GOMAD is an oldschool way to put mass, its effective but you will hate going to the toilets, you will hate digesting, you will hate food, you are likely to get pimples, headaches, mucus etc…

Most people I know who went GOMAD say they would not do it again.

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In my opinion, if you’re around 15% body fat, then I would not recommend GOMAD. One of the principles of GOMAD is that if you’re drinking a gallon of whole milk a day, then there’s no way you won’t put on weight. While that’s true, unless you want to look and feel like a bloated mess and hold around 18% body fat after a couple of months, then I would suggest holding off.

I’ve used GOMAD to some success, but I know some people like Shelby Starnes argue that lactose is a less than ideal carb source.

TL;DR: Get your diet under control, and if you still feel like you’re struggling to get Calories, whole milk is an easy, cheap way to get your Caloric intake up.

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protein powder
coconut oil
EVOO
nuts
heavy cream
fruit

I don’t see the allure of GOMAD outside of a narrow-minded view of nutrition

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[quote]jehovasfitness wrote:
protein powder
coconut oil
EVOO
nuts
heavy cream
fruit

I don’t see the allure of GOMAD outside of a narrow-minded view of nutrition[/quote]

This. There are much more responsible and sensible ways to go about gaining weight, without breaking the wallet.

GODMAD is silly, just as mass-gainer shakes are silly.

On top of what Jehovas above wrote, you could go fattier cuts of beef/steak fairly consistently, shit loads of whole (jumbo) eggs, Extra Virgin Coconut Oil, and lots of rice/oats/potatoes of all types.

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[quote]SSC wrote:

[quote]jehovasfitness wrote:
protein powder
coconut oil
EVOO
nuts
heavy cream
fruit

I don’t see the allure of GOMAD outside of a narrow-minded view of nutrition[/quote]

This. There are much more responsible and sensible ways to go about gaining weight, without breaking the wallet.

GODMAD is silly, just as mass-gainer shakes are silly.

On top of what Jehovas above wrote, you could go fattier cuts of beef/steak fairly consistently, shit loads of whole (jumbo) eggs, Extra Virgin Coconut Oil, and lots of rice/oats/potatoes of all types.[/quote]

Yeah, I was going to list meats, but I was mainly sticking with mostly liquid type calories that pack a punch in case someone said well I need something that won’t fill me up. But, I’m with you.

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[quote]RootX wrote:
GOMAD can be expensive if you buy fresh raw milk, which is the only option I would accept on my body. I would not drink 1 gallon of supermarket milk adulterated with tons of hormones and shit I don’t know about.

Btw GOMAD is an oldschool way to put mass, its effective but you will hate going to the toilets, you will hate digesting, you will hate food, you are likely to get pimples, headaches, mucus etc…

Most people I know who went GOMAD say they would not do it again. [/quote]

I did something similar to GOMAD when I first started out. Ballooned up from 155 to 185 in six weeks. Bulk mostly, muscle and fat. That was when I was 20. If I did it today, my digestion would not be able to handle that and I wouldn’t feel good.

Raw Milk is really the only way to go nowadays anyway. Even for people who just have one glass of milk per day, it should be Raw. Raw Milk is healing and body-building, while cooked milk stresses the body.

Good luck.

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Waiting till more people come in claiming there’s nothing wrong with conventional milk.

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[quote]Manwitaplan wrote:
So I am debating wheter to do GOMAD (in conjunction with 5/3/1)[/quote]
What kind of accessory work and/or conditioning are you planning to do?

bodyfat percentages are absolutely useless. Are you currently pudgy with a muffin top, kind Joe Average/smooth, sorta lean, already ripped, etc.?

That’s like a 14 year old kid asking how tall he’ll be when he’s 24. We can guess, but there’s no way to absolutely tell ahead of time. You’re asking how muscle muscle you’ll build after you add nearly 40 pounds of bodyweight. Um, 30 pounds. Give or take 5-10 pounds.

Understand that GOMAD plus 3-4 solid meals will end giving you, ballpark, 4,000-6,000 calories per day. If you’re not “earning” those calories with hard training most days of the week, then of course you’re looking at more fat gain.

If your strength drops once you start cutting, you’re training wrong or you drops calories too much/too fast. Strength loss obviously isn’t desired, and isn’t even mandatory, when cutting.

If you’re in no rush, not currently underweight, and presumably not on a severely limited budget, I’d say GOMAD isn’t appropriate.

[quote]An alternative diet I was considering is as follows:

Meal 1 - Fruit, egg, peanut butter, oats, protein powder, seeds, milk smoothie
Meal 2- Handful of nuts
Meal 3 - Tuna mayo sandwhich with fruit
Meal 4 - Cottage cheese + handful of nuts
Meal 5 - Beef stir fry/chicken curry with brown rice/steak
Meal 6 - Casein shake with oats, peanut butter and milk

Would that be a better option.[/quote]
If you follow that diet for two weeks and end up 3-4 pounds heavier, and stronger in the basic lifts, then yes, it’s a better option.

This point right here makes every single bit of the above advice absolutely useless. GOMAD is an old-school bodybuilding method for gaining size. If your primary goal isn’t to gain size, why would it even be an option in the first place?

But I thought you were talking about getting to 85kg (gaining about 27 pounds). What’s your main/primary/number one goal?

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Thanks for Lenghty reply Chris

I am doing 5/3/1 with boring but big following it every day with dips or chins and some sit ups.

For conditioning I am not doing much at the moment…6 mins skiiping and 4 mins on speedball.

[quote]Chris Colucci wrote:
bodyfat percentages are absolutely useless. Are you currently pudgy with a muffin top, kind Joe Average/smooth, sorta lean, already ripped, etc.?[/quote]

Halfway between ripped and smooth. Broad daylight not flexing I look smooth but definitely not pudgy fat…when I flex you can see pec…six pack etch.

As a general diet is it ok…is it lacking in anything?

[quote]
This point right here makes every single bit of the above advice absolutely useless. GOMAD is an old-school bodybuilding method for gaining size. If your primary goal isn’t to gain size, why would it even be an option in the first place?[/quote]

My main goals is strenght but I would also like to add some mass as a biproduct but not as a focus…I also believe adding weight will increase the weight I can lift.

My goal is strenght but not at the expense of my appearance…i.e. once I am a good healthy weight and look ok all I care about is strenght…I dont want to look like a bodybuilder.

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[quote]Manwitaplan wrote:
Thanks for Lenghty reply Chris
[/quote]

Why are you ignoring the rest of the advice on this thread?

You know, maybe some other people do know what they’re talking about, whether you want to acknowledge the advice you’re being given or not.

SMH

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[quote]SSC wrote:

[quote]Manwitaplan wrote:
Thanks for Lenghty reply Chris
[/quote]

Why are you ignoring the rest of the advice on this thread?

You know, maybe some other people do know what they’re talking about, whether you want to acknowledge the advice you’re being given or not.

SMH[/quote]

LOL, I love how Chris always comes in with a super detailed response that while is good, sometimes you know he’s just wasting his time…

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then again, I guess you and I wasted time as well, damn

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[quote]jehovasfitness wrote:
then again, I guess you and I wasted time as well, damn[/quote]

Selectivehearingceptioned.

0_o

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[quote]SSC wrote:

[quote]Manwitaplan wrote:
Thanks for Lenghty reply Chris
[/quote]

Why are you ignoring the rest of the advice on this thread?

You know, maybe some other people do know what they’re talking about, whether you want to acknowledge the advice you’re being given or not.

SMH[/quote]

Hey guys,

I assure you I am not ignoring anybodies advice. Chris asked me some direct questions that I was simply answering.

I do agree it was wrong to acknowledge his post and not thank others as it made it look like I was ignoring stuff.

All good responses and to be honest preety much made up my mind I was not going to do GOMAD based on the responses before Chris’s post.

What makes you think he is wasting his time?

I am new to this and just want to learn as much as possible from people more knowledgeable than me.

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[quote]RootX wrote:
GOMAD can be expensive if you buy fresh raw milk, which is the only option I would accept on my body. I would not drink 1 gallon of supermarket milk adulterated with tons of hormones and shit I don’t know about.

Btw GOMAD is an oldschool way to put mass, its effective but you will hate going to the toilets, you will hate digesting, you will hate food, you are likely to get pimples, headaches, mucus etc…

Most people I know who went GOMAD say they would not do it again. [/quote]

I am going GOMAD for the last 3 years.

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[quote]jehovasfitness wrote:
Waiting till more people come in claiming there’s nothing wrong with conventional milk.[/quote]

There’s nothing wrong with conventional milk. Regular fucking milk from the store has always worked fine for me. I buy all the cheap shit from the grocery store. Meat, eggs, milk, veggies, everything. And I’m sure there are plenty of people who would tell me that I am ingesting tons of chemicals and hormones and whatever else. I guess my body can handle it.

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[quote]RootX wrote:
you will hate going to the toilets, you will hate digesting, you will hate food, you are likely to get pimples, headaches, mucus etc…

Most people I know who went GOMAD say they would not do it again. [/quote]

I’ve never tried “GOMAD”, but I like milk a lot, and I drink it often. Some days I’ll drink a whole gallon inadvertently, just from drinking milk whenever I want. Most days it’s like half a gallon. I haven’t experienced hatred of food, bowel problems, issues digesting, headaches, mucus, or pimples. I call bullshit on that.

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[quote]csulli wrote:

[quote]RootX wrote:
you will hate going to the toilets, you will hate digesting, you will hate food, you are likely to get pimples, headaches, mucus etc…

Most people I know who went GOMAD say they would not do it again. [/quote]

I’ve never tried “GOMAD”, but I like milk, and some days I’ll drink a whole gallon inadvertently. Most days it’s like half a gallon. I haven’t experienced hatred of food, bowel problems, issues digesting, headaches, mucus, or pimples. I call bullshit on that.[/quote]

Yup, because your experience means everyone else will have the same.