Ok I think I haven’t answered the OP:
-Post count doesn’t mean progress in most of the cases.
[quote]MEYMZ wrote:
m I striving to look like Brad Pitt? Nope, try Dennis Wolf. But everyone works with what he’s got. Yep, and definitely you haven’t shown to have… wait you just said u wanna look like Dennis Wolf?! GOOD LUCK.[/quote]
Ahhhh, welcome to the internet. A fresh blast of stupidity right to your face.
Listen, you are a dumbass if you think someone with nearly 50 inch shoulders at <175 lbs., and a 1.63 shoulder:waist ratio is not worthy of any props - he’s nothing special - just an average gym-goer. Most bodybuilders with those types of proportions are midgets. I am not a midget.
I am above average height, which makes it all the more difficult for me to achieve the thick look. And sure, I know there are 6’5 people who are dense as hell. Obviously, I don’t share their metabolism.
I doubt you know very much about aesthetic criteria in bodybuilding. Do you know what an X-Frame is? Do you know that it’s probably the best way to tell a bodybuilder apart from a generic lifter?
Do you realize that I have an X-frame, and can you comprehend how hard that is to attain? Do you know how hard it is to sculpt fully rounded deltoids? And to hit the pec-delt tie-in? And fill in that gap that all skinny guys have under their clavicles?
Do you know what it takes to build a quad sweep, and how to isolate the glutes?
Who am I kidding. You don’t know any of this shit. I have been in the trenches and lived this for years. Nobody lectures me as if I just started yesterday.
You are, in all likelyhood, just another mass-obsessed tool who barely looks like he trains. Feel free to post your pics and prove me wrong, if you can.
[quote]Carlitosway wrote:
They way I train now I call power bodybuilding. I train for strength (still high reps though) on the compound movements and I also do isolation movements to with higher reps. Show me a human forklift, someone moving massive weights for reps, who eats enough and I’ll show you a big guy. [/quote]
Show me a human forklift and I’ll show you a short, stocky guy with awesome leverages.
People like that are predisposed to “power building”, as you call it. Btw I have heard that term before and I’m loosely familiar with the concept. That’s how some former-PLers-turned-BBers train. Strength training IS bodybuilding for these people.
But to put a skinny guy on a routine like that would be the greatest folly. He’ll just fuck his joints up and won’t gain any muscle.
-Form is really important, lift with sloppy form with a heavier weight and BOOM you’re injured
-Don’t take every set to failure(once again too much risk of injury)
“Sometimes it’s easy to be hard but hard to be smart”
im sure i will make these sames mistakes again, even though i know better
Five things I’ve learned:
- Strength=mass
- Intensity>volume
- Soreness/Fatigue has nothing to do with progression
- Eating big is awesome, dieting sucks
- For big arms, biceps should NOT be prioritized over triceps
[quote]Nominal Prospect wrote:
alit4 wrote:
now.
mixture of big compound and isolation excercises
occasional sets to failure
heavy weights short sets, variable rest periods
mostly free weights
leave the gym feeling tired but strong
stretching only after/away from lifting
i am a skinny guy with a “lanky frame”, only 20LBS heavier at the same body fat levels,39 years old
conclusion.
“what you have learned from experience” is at best misguided, at worse, just wrong
You’re 39. However “lanky” you may think you are, I guarantee you take up more physical space than the average 19 year old.
If you had tried your current method of training at that age, you would have crashed and burned.[/quote]
nope, i may have actually achieved something significant instead. and faster, with less time needed for recovery.
edit:
at 19, i was slowly eating and drinking myself fat, and that took 10 years.
I made the best gains when I ate alot
I made the best gains when I lifted really heavy on compound lifts
Take my advice for what its worth
[quote]Nominal Prospect wrote:
Carlitosway wrote:
They way I train now I call power bodybuilding. I train for strength (still high reps though) on the compound movements and I also do isolation movements to with higher reps. Show me a human forklift, someone moving massive weights for reps, who eats enough and I’ll show you a big guy.
Show me a human forklift and I’ll show you a short, stocky guy with awesome leverages.
People like that are predisposed to “power building”, as you call it. Btw I have heard that term before and I’m loosely familiar with the concept. That’s how some former-PLers-turned-BBers train. Strength training IS bodybuilding for these people.
But to put a skinny guy on a routine like that would be the greatest folly. He’ll just fuck his joints up and won’t gain any muscle.[/quote]
Unless you’re an idiot and you keep doing a weight that your joints cant handle. That’s why you drop weight and work up yourself up until joints/tendons can handle it.
So you telling me doing heavy compounds for reps and higher rep isolation exercises would be the greatest folly?
Case and point here, Dante from DC Training. Started at around 136 lbs a stick and he wasnt a short stocky guy. He went up to around 300 after years of training and cut down to 280. I believe he is hovering around 270 right now. I think I would rather take his advice over you. Matt Kroc another example (he’s 5’10 which isnt real short). He has stated numerous times when he started he was better suited to be an endurance athlete, how skinny he was. Heavy compounds for reps + some isolation work I guess didn’t help him /sarcasm.
[quote]Carlitosway wrote:
Nominal Prospect wrote:
Carlitosway wrote:
They way I train now I call power bodybuilding. I train for strength (still high reps though) on the compound movements and I also do isolation movements to with higher reps. Show me a human forklift, someone moving massive weights for reps, who eats enough and I’ll show you a big guy.
Show me a human forklift and I’ll show you a short, stocky guy with awesome leverages.
People like that are predisposed to “power building”, as you call it. Btw I have heard that term before and I’m loosely familiar with the concept. That’s how some former-PLers-turned-BBers train. Strength training IS bodybuilding for these people.
But to put a skinny guy on a routine like that would be the greatest folly. He’ll just fuck his joints up and won’t gain any muscle.
Unless you’re an idiot and you keep doing a weight that your joints cant handle. That’s why you drop weight and work up yourself up until joints/tendons can handle it.
So you telling me doing heavy compounds for reps and higher rep isolation exercises would be the greatest folly?
Case and point here, Dante from DC Training. Started at around 136 lbs a stick and he wasnt a short stocky guy. He went up to around 300 after years of training and cut down to 280. I believe he is hovering around 270 right now. I think I would rather take his advice over you. Matt Kroc another example (he’s 5’10 which isnt real short). He has stated numerous times when he started he was better suited to be an endurance athlete, how skinny he was. Heavy compounds for reps + some isolation work I guess didn’t help him /sarcasm.
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You guys should really stop arguing with him. That’s what he wants.
I was a skinny kid. I hit college weighing about 150lbs. I was hitting over 190 by the next year and 200+ the year after that.
Anyone who believes skinny people stay skinny until they get middle aged is retarded. There are too many other factors involved…so quit arguing with this troll. He’s not even that good at it.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Carlitosway wrote:
Nominal Prospect wrote:
Carlitosway wrote:
They way I train now I call power bodybuilding. I train for strength (still high reps though) on the compound movements and I also do isolation movements to with higher reps. Show me a human forklift, someone moving massive weights for reps, who eats enough and I’ll show you a big guy.
Show me a human forklift and I’ll show you a short, stocky guy with awesome leverages.
People like that are predisposed to “power building”, as you call it. Btw I have heard that term before and I’m loosely familiar with the concept. That’s how some former-PLers-turned-BBers train. Strength training IS bodybuilding for these people.
But to put a skinny guy on a routine like that would be the greatest folly. He’ll just fuck his joints up and won’t gain any muscle.
Unless you’re an idiot and you keep doing a weight that your joints cant handle. That’s why you drop weight and work up yourself up until joints/tendons can handle it.
So you telling me doing heavy compounds for reps and higher rep isolation exercises would be the greatest folly?
Case and point here, Dante from DC Training. Started at around 136 lbs a stick and he wasnt a short stocky guy. He went up to around 300 after years of training and cut down to 280. I believe he is hovering around 270 right now. I think I would rather take his advice over you. Matt Kroc another example (he’s 5’10 which isnt real short). He has stated numerous times when he started he was better suited to be an endurance athlete, how skinny he was. Heavy compounds for reps + some isolation work I guess didn’t help him /sarcasm.
You guys should really stop arguing with him. That’s what he wants.
I was a skinny kid. I hit college weighing about 150lbs. I was hitting over 190 by the next year and 200+ the year after that.
Anyone who believes skinny people stay skinny until they get middle aged is retarded. There are too many other factors involved…so quit arguing with this troll. He’s not even that good at it.[/quote]
Well said.
I was 135 summer before senior yr of highschool. Got up to 165 relatively quick.
I stayed at 160-165 for far too many years, thinking there was no way I could get bigger, it was my genetics.
I’ve been as high as 198. My goal is 215 by early summer. Anything is possible if you have the drive, determination, and the right mindset of knowing it’s possible.
[quote]Nominal Prospect wrote:
Nominal Prospect wrote:
Who am I kidding.[/quote]Yourself… [quote]You don’t know any of this shit.[/quote]Stop talking to yourself.[quote] I have been in the trenches and lived this for years.[/quote] So???[quote]Nobody lectures me as if I just started yesterday.
[/quote] I’ve seen everyone on this site do it.
[quote]Tumbles wrote:
It was kind of an “I’m a retard” moment, but one of the most important things for me was realizing I should not be focusing on moving the most weight, but moving the most weight in a manner that stimulates the target muscle (or, allows for maximal poundage, etc [insert non-bb goals here]).[/quote]
Far from being a retard moment, that’s a moment most never have and goes along with my first post in this thread. The fact that iron is moving does not necessarily mean the muscles you’re trying hit are getting optimal work. Hence you see guys with large front delts and under developed pecs for instance.
[quote]jehovasfitness wrote:
Professor X wrote:
You guys should really stop arguing with him. That’s what he wants.
I was a skinny kid. I hit college weighing about 150lbs. I was hitting over 190 by the next year and 200+ the year after that.
Anyone who believes skinny people stay skinny until they get middle aged is retarded. There are too many other factors involved…so quit arguing with this troll. He’s not even that good at it.
Well said.
I was 135 summer before senior yr of highschool. Got up to 165 relatively quick.
I stayed at 160-165 for far too many years, thinking there was no way I could get bigger, it was my genetics.
I’ve been as high as 198. My goal is 215 by early summer. Anything is possible if you have the drive, determination, and the right mindset of knowing it’s possible.
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Damn, y’all started swole. I hit college at 120 (if I had eaten well that day). After two years of lifting I was at 170 lean.
Couple of accidents/injuries/decade+ later I had to start over at 140. Sitting at 185 now. Not quite as lean as I like but I am growing.
What I’ve learned:
- Start all advice with “What worked for me…” If it did not, or you have not tried it, be upfront with that information. I was told this by a couple of bodybuilders when I apprenticed in a hardcore gym.
- Doctors can be very wrong
- Doctors can be right as well
- Do not be quick to judge–you do not know the life the person has lived. Sometimes what looks like a person lifting a light weight to you could be that person’s overcoming of a much larger obstacle.
[quote]Nominal Prospect wrote:
Carlitosway wrote:
They way I train now I call power bodybuilding. I train for strength (still high reps though) on the compound movements and I also do isolation movements to with higher reps. Show me a human forklift, someone moving massive weights for reps, who eats enough and I’ll show you a big guy.
Show me a human forklift and I’ll show you a short, stocky guy with awesome leverages.
People like that are predisposed to “power building”, as you call it. Btw I have heard that term before and I’m loosely familiar with the concept. That’s how some former-PLers-turned-BBers train. Strength training IS bodybuilding for these people.
But to put a skinny guy on a routine like that would be the greatest folly. He’ll just fuck his joints up and won’t gain any muscle.[/quote]
cant agree with you here.
i use a lot of methods used by powerlifters but i use them in a bodybuilding context and they work for me.
rackpulls, close grip benching, facepulls, deadlifts, chains, bent extensions you name it, they can be applied to bodybuilding whether you started out 150 pounds or 250
[quote]Tex Ag wrote:
Damn, y’all started swole. I hit college at 120 (if I had eaten well that day). After two years of lifting I was at 170 lean.[/quote]
LOL!
I worked hard to get to that 150lbs. I just didn’t have access to (or rather didn’t know how to prepare and plan for) enough food to grow on until I hit college. It was also the first time I had access to a decent gym given that I had no car previously and there were no city buses that came all of the way out to where we lived.
Given how fast I gained after that, it kind of pisses me off that I didn’t have more guidance as a kid. I can’t imagine where I would have been had I started training hard in middle school with any solid understanding of food intake. I had to teach myself everything…no internet.
what ive learned
theres no cookie cutter lifts:
i dont care how many people say certain lifts are the best, if you can find something better suited as a substitute use that instead.
EVOO mixes with NOTHING
never take fish oil before you lift
never drink coffee before you lift
determination is the most important thing in regards to lifting.
theres a big difference between what youre doing now and what you were doing then - i feel like sometimes i need to remind rank beginners that you shouldnt just do exactly what i do but on the flip side, who knows maybe itd work.
every so often its acceptable to say “to hell with it” and pull out some old school training styles like burnouts and dropsets.
i started out at about 170 but that was after i quit smoking, gained like 5-10 pounds right off the bat just from eating more than once a day.
then i started doing pushups and shit and got this hand me down weight set from my friend which lasted me about 6 months, more or less
i was probaly 180 or so when i started training at a real gym.
now im ~210
i really wish i started lifting when i was like 15 or something i probaly would have had the confidence and self esteem to have graduated high school. but im moving forward now so no sense in looking back.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Carlitosway wrote:
Nominal Prospect wrote:
Carlitosway wrote:
They way I train now I call power bodybuilding. I train for strength (still high reps though) on the compound movements and I also do isolation movements to with higher reps. Show me a human forklift, someone moving massive weights for reps, who eats enough and I’ll show you a big guy.
Show me a human forklift and I’ll show you a short, stocky guy with awesome leverages.
People like that are predisposed to “power building”, as you call it. Btw I have heard that term before and I’m loosely familiar with the concept. That’s how some former-PLers-turned-BBers train. Strength training IS bodybuilding for these people.
But to put a skinny guy on a routine like that would be the greatest folly. He’ll just fuck his joints up and won’t gain any muscle.
Unless you’re an idiot and you keep doing a weight that your joints cant handle. That’s why you drop weight and work up yourself up until joints/tendons can handle it.
So you telling me doing heavy compounds for reps and higher rep isolation exercises would be the greatest folly?
Case and point here, Dante from DC Training. Started at around 136 lbs a stick and he wasnt a short stocky guy. He went up to around 300 after years of training and cut down to 280. I believe he is hovering around 270 right now. I think I would rather take his advice over you. Matt Kroc another example (he’s 5’10 which isnt real short). He has stated numerous times when he started he was better suited to be an endurance athlete, how skinny he was. Heavy compounds for reps + some isolation work I guess didn’t help him /sarcasm.
You guys should really stop arguing with him. That’s what he wants.
I was a skinny kid. I hit college weighing about 150lbs. I was hitting over 190 by the next year and 200+ the year after that.
Anyone who believes skinny people stay skinny until they get middle aged is retarded. There are too many other factors involved…so quit arguing with this troll. He’s not even that good at it.[/quote]
I feel like kicking his ass right now, but I guess this is the internet (like the pussy said), and everyone’s a macho in this place. The thing is that trolls like this should be banned; they ruin forums, they don’t accept criticism, and they are convinced of their self bullshitted conclusions.
[quote]LiveFromThe781 wrote:
i started out at about 170 but that was after i quit smoking, gained like 5-10 pounds right off the bat just from eating more than once a day.
then i started doing pushups and shit and got this hand me down weight set from my friend which lasted me about 6 months, more or less
i was probaly 180 or so when i started training at a real gym.
now im ~210
i really wish i started lifting when i was like 15 or something i probaly would have had the confidence and self esteem to have graduated high school. but im moving forward now so no sense in looking back. [/quote]
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well said about the powerlifting principles
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Why no coffe pre workout? Works for me anyway. If it doesn’t for ya, I respect that.
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How old are ya? Ehh…I think you should consider enrolling into a part time diploma of something. Polytechnic maybe. It will take some time…but judging from your posts you do have a LOT of confidence mate. I think you can do it. Just saying eh.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Tex Ag wrote:
Damn, y’all started swole. I hit college at 120 (if I had eaten well that day). After two years of lifting I was at 170 lean.
LOL!
I worked hard to get to that 150lbs. I just didn’t have access to (or rather didn’t know how to prepare and plan for) enough food to grow on until I hit college. It was also the first time I had access to a decent gym given that I had no car previously and there were no city buses that came all of the way out to where we lived.
Given how fast I gained after that, it kind of pisses me off that I didn’t have more guidance as a kid. I can’t imagine where I would have been had I started training hard in middle school with any solid understanding of food intake. I had to teach myself everything…no internet.[/quote]
We’ve talked about this some before (I think in the thread that lead to the T-Cell). I usually think of my start of when I bought Arnold’s Encyclopedia for 6 bucks at the used book store and practicing some lifts in my apartment for a semester before going to the gym. That is all I used until I found this web site.
Truth be told I started before I hit 120…and I was all legs then (had to buy my pants to fit my thighs, not my waist) doing both soccer and cycling. In high school we had to do a general fitness routine for the soccer team and I could not even do 1 dip. I started doing dips, push-ups, curls, etc. at home my senior year. Even then I left for college with 7 inch arms, flexed and pumped. Yes, I had to build up to 7 inch arms.
One book, lots of food, and no distractions (beyond school work) is what got me growing. Oh yeah, and a rust covered, frequently flooding, no AC, everlovin’ hardcore, sunken, hot-as-all-hell gym. It was condemned but I still have a brick from the rubble.
I doubt many of the new folks here would even enter it. On a campus of 45000+ there were only a couple dozen people who used it with any frequency.
I think you would have liked it there, X.