You don’t really seem to want to take advice. You ask for it but you seem to just want people to tell you, you are doing everything right and its not your fault because you read a bunch of graphs and charts about energy systems and lactic acid threshold so it can’t be you.
Infinite Shore does come across as a tiny bit arrogant, but the dude knows his shit, when he tells you how to get stronger you listen to him and say thank you when he speaks. Dude will tell you everything you want to know about getting stronger, he just wants you to listen and give it a shot. He cares too much really. Real softy he is.
You are 26 and your joints hurt everywhere. You are lifting wrong on every lift, only explanation. You are not strong, dont give me that graph bull shit. That’s a recommendation for people and includes people who don’t lift, so who cares.
If you look to far into books about training you will get no where. Most of those books are written by people who tested something in lab and have just the basic knowledge of lifting and nutrition. The bodybuilders are the ones gaining muscle and losing fat at the same time but they’re the idiots right?
FYI, if I were you I wouldn’t care too much about my lifting numbers. You are lean w/ a 6 pack. You clearly can’t lift a ton of weight but the pachinas with flock when you take the shirt off.
[quote]tontongg wrote:
Wtf are you talking about dude, thats more than 1.5 Times my bodyweight of 84, which is pretty much anywhere, on every chart, an intermediate level, which is what I am.
Considering I started as a long limbed lanky mofo who barely squatted the bar for reps at first and didnt even have decent squatting material for the first year, I’m ok with my approach.
If you are/were more advanced after a few years of training with ok material, then nice, bruh
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Sorry, I thought you were a guy. 140kg is pretty decent for a woman.
Well I never pretended being half strong in the first place. Simply trying to understand what I did wrong with my joints, so yeah I’ll spend more time on technique which was very poor until a few months ago I believe (before reading t nation articles and forums a lot).
I understand basic concepts such as lift with intensity/sleep well/ eat better-more, but I dont see the point of being arrogant when I wanna scratch he surface a bit more.
And thx for the last 3 paragraphs which I totally agree with. Nice reminders
And just in case anyone cares, yes I changed a lot of things simply thinking about what is advised here
not maxing out every day on compound , usually monday is my only “big” day
focusing on technique
doing far more high reps work, big lifts assistance and isolation movements
focus more on hypertrophy rather than trying to overcome strength plateaus which are weak in the world of lifting
being humble and repping with empty bar or 8lb Dumbbells sometimes
eating cleaner
eating more over the whole week
not being afraid of eating more proteins
buying fish oil and taking real quantities this time
I can say that joints already hurt much less which is my first concern. Still cracking but its ok, kind of.
And yesterday I did bench 3 reps, probably should have tried a 4th, at 200lb, with controlled movement, which is my pb, after 2x270lb squats atg which is also a pb. I dunno, I didnt intend to do so but feeling good generally
Sorry, I thought you were a guy. 140kg is pretty decent for a woman.
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C’mon I’m not even answering your jerking bs
140kg is very advanced for a decent looking girl. I sometimes follow Instagram or YouTube freaks, and can only think of a handful of girls on the internet that lift 130+ while weighin 50/55 and being cute as f
Sorry, I thought you were a guy. 140kg is pretty decent for a woman.
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C’mon I’m not even answering your jerking bs
140kg is very advanced for a decent looking girl. I sometimes follow Instagram or YouTube freaks, and can only think of a handful of girls on the internet that lift 130+ while weighin 50/55 and being cute as f
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[quote]craze9 wrote:
You can have a weekend warrior who goes into the gym and busts his ass on a million sets of squats till he vomits, but I don’t think he’s going to make better progress than another guy quietly (even reluctantly) getting his volume in with 5 sets of 5 week after week.
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I would honestly anticipate the opposite based on my own experience/observations.[/quote]
yeah my money’s on the million sets guy. Seems pretty obvious to me.[/quote]
Bad example, because the wording implies the million squats guy has much higher “general motivation” than the other guy, which was not the point. The point was about “in the gym intensity” being such an important factor. And what I meant by the example was one guy busting his ass beyond failure once a week with max “intensity” versus another guy just getting his reps in using smart programming (squatting 3x / week w/ varying loads / volume).
Anyway, the problem with the “in-the-gym intensity” issue imo is that it tends to get framed as “you have it or you don’t.” Some guys don’t. My point is these guys can still make really good longterm program with just smart programming.
Punisher – I also think our opinions here just come down to variation in experience. You’ve mentioned in another thread having great success with DC training and 5/3/1, which both incorporate pushing toward failure with AMRAP sets. I’ve made my best progress on Texas Method and other 5x5 programs, which have virtually zero max rep sets or autoregulation, just gradually increase weight on the bar.
I will say I went from squatting 315x5 to 405x5 over a year or two without ever failing mid-rep on a single squat. I didn’t burst a blood vessel or even come close, so my “intensity” was never an issue. It may take a lot of “general motivation” to go to the gym and squat 365x5x5 when it’s twice bodyweight and every set feels pretty damn heavy, but I wouldn’t say it takes “intensity” as defined earlier. You just have to do the work.
You dudes are bored, it’s sad really. I understand lifters that quit after a few months because some internet bros that show mirror muscle on their avatars on some forums, tell them they’re shitty, weak, and not a real guy I guess. Just lift with INTENSITY. O rly ?
Well I just dont care, it’s only a few words from keyboard badasses, so go on again if you have THAT much time to lose. Just wanted this to be clear
FYI, I was quickly discussing the fact that a woman lifting 140 is “decent”, which is plain wrong again. I said that I’m now on track with solid goals for my level of experience, so I wont further this off topic nonsense. GL all
I don’t understand. Are you disputing this? There have been countless people who have gotten big and strong just by going to the gym and trying to kill themeslves before the internet and wannabe gurus spreading pseudoscience.
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I dont, at all. I’m saying it’s basic. And difficult to understand and manipulate, even with this in mind every Time you enter the gym[/quote]
That’s why God created DEATH METAL. Get your sets done and technique down for the main lifts you want to bring up, then turn up the headphones and go into idiot mode on your accessory work. It’s really that simple.
[quote]craze9 wrote:
Punisher – I also think our opinions here just come down to variation in experience. You’ve mentioned in another thread having great success with DC training and 5/3/1, which both incorporate pushing toward failure with AMRAP sets. I’ve made my best progress on Texas Method and other 5x5 programs, which have virtually zero max rep sets or autoregulation, just gradually increase weight on the bar.
I will say I went from squatting 315x5 to 405x5 over a year or two without ever failing mid-rep on a single squat. I didn’t burst a blood vessel or even come close, so my “intensity” was never an issue. It may take a lot of “general motivation” to go to the gym and squat 365x5x5 when it’s twice bodyweight and every set feels pretty damn heavy, but I wouldn’t say it takes “intensity” as defined earlier. You just have to do the work.
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I’ve actually performed both styles of training, but it’s not my own experience I draw from, but my observations as well. I’ve seen many trainees follow “smart” programming and fail to make progress because the intensity variable was lacking, whereas I have rarely witnessed a trainee that brought intensity and lacked progress, even when following “dumb” programming.
[quote]craze9 wrote:
Punisher – I also think our opinions here just come down to variation in experience. You’ve mentioned in another thread having great success with DC training and 5/3/1, which both incorporate pushing toward failure with AMRAP sets. I’ve made my best progress on Texas Method and other 5x5 programs, which have virtually zero max rep sets or autoregulation, just gradually increase weight on the bar.
I will say I went from squatting 315x5 to 405x5 over a year or two without ever failing mid-rep on a single squat. I didn’t burst a blood vessel or even come close, so my “intensity” was never an issue. It may take a lot of “general motivation” to go to the gym and squat 365x5x5 when it’s twice bodyweight and every set feels pretty damn heavy, but I wouldn’t say it takes “intensity” as defined earlier. You just have to do the work.
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I’ve actually performed both styles of training, but it’s not my own experience I draw from, but my observations as well. I’ve seen many trainees follow “smart” programming and fail to make progress because the intensity variable was lacking, whereas I have rarely witnessed a trainee that brought intensity and lacked progress, even when following “dumb” programming.[/quote]
this has been my observation as well. I’ve had way too many training partners over the years who just went into the gym, performed their prescribed sets/reps, day in and day out, and would look and lift the same year after year. I’m not saying good programming isn’t important. It is. I simply feel that, to a large extent, shitty programming can be overcome by high intensity, while the opposite is generally not the case.
You’ve obviously had plenty of success Craze, and I imagine you do bring plenty of intensity to your work in the gym.
You dudes are bored, it’s sad really. I understand lifters that quit after a few months because some internet bros that show mirror muscle on their avatars on some forums, tell them they’re shitty, weak, and not a real guy I guess. Just lift with INTENSITY. O rly ?
Well I just dont care, it’s only a few words from keyboard badasses, so go on again if you have THAT much time to lose. Just wanted this to be clear
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You’re probably right. I’m just a bunch of mirror muscles. My avatar picture doesn’t show how shitty my back, glutes, and hamstrings obviously must be. In fact I don’t even lift. I just type a lot. Typing happens to be a great workout for the arms, chest, and quads. But unfortunately, that’s all I have.
[quote]T3hPwnisher wrote:
I’ve actually performed both styles of training, but it’s not my own experience I draw from, but my observations as well. I’ve seen many trainees follow “smart” programming and fail to make progress because the intensity variable was lacking, whereas I have rarely witnessed a trainee that brought intensity and lacked progress, even when following “dumb” programming.[/quote]
this has been my observation as well. I’ve had way too many training partners over the years who just went into the gym, performed their prescribed sets/reps, day in and day out, and would look and lift the same year after year. I’m not saying good programming isn’t important. It is. I simply feel that, to a large extent, shitty programming can be overcome by high intensity, while the opposite is generally not the case.
You’ve obviously had plenty of success Craze, and I imagine you do bring plenty of intensity to your work in the gym.[/quote]
Fair enough, you guys may be right. I’ve never really lifted with training partners so I suppose I don’t have a huge amount of observational experience and am mostly just going off what has worked for me. And the intensity factor may be an area where I could stand to improve.
Maybe I should get new headphones and some death metal (not joking).
[quote]craze9 wrote:
Maybe I should get new headphones and some death metal (not joking).
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I see this more as being psyched up, which is actually something I try to avoid in my training. I save that for competitions, but actively try to keep myself pretty calm when training. For me, most of intensity boils down to being able to exist way outside your comfort zone.
As an example, when I train deadlifts, one of the things I try to do is get as many deadlifts as possible in one breath. By about the 4th deadlift, I feel uncomfortable, but it’s around the 8th or 9th where my vision starts going black that I’ll finally take a breath. It’s not about being “hardcore” or anything stupid, it’s simply that the progress is being made in that area where comfort ends.
A lot of trainees spend all of their time training being comfortable, and in turn, making little progress.
