[quote]iVoodoo wrote:
Yes.
Look at your carbohydrate intake man, this is what I’ve been talking about the whole thread, you need carbohydrates to Grow!
The only good source there is your oatmeal, and that was hours before you even trained…
I don’t think you’re getting it.
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And suddenly we start to agree a little more…
Definitely need to get some more carbs in. Especially pre and post workout. Waxy maize is an easy, incredibly cheap option. You also don’t need to be wasting your money on Metabolic Drive. It’s a relatively slow digesting protein, so just get a cheap whey protein.
[quote]jtownlax wrote:
Right now im just downing whatever i have in sight. As long as its somewhat healthy. Today for example
Breakfest- 3 eggs, bowl of oatmeal, some veggies.
almonds and tried fruit and snake.
lunch - i chocolate milk, 1 whole milk, 2 burgers just the meat no bread so about 10 oz, scoop of cooked carrots, chicken i back, sunflower seeds and a water.
pre workout- 1 scoop gatorade powder with about 15 oz water.
post workout- 2 scoop MD with water.
dinner- 4 meatballs, 2 pork chops about 5 oz each, half a frozen bag of peas, and a lot of cheeze sprickled on top. 4 pieces of dark chocolate, class of milk[/quote]
I’m working on a cut right now to try and lose some unwanted fat and my diet has more protein and carbs than this. If you’re really trying to put on some weight then follow everyone in this threads advice and eat more. Breakfast get some more eggs in there and some toast with PB. One of my old training partners was trying to put on weight so for breakfast alone he was eating 8-10 egg omelets as the main part of his breakfast along with other sides. You mention at lunch you at burgers with no bread…WHY NO BREAD?! If you’re not opposed to it chug some raw eggs. Extremely quick and easy way to get in some quality protein and fats. Go to your nearest wholesale club and pick up some protein bars and eat one on the drive to the gym before a workout.
At the risk of turning this thread into a broken record
EAT!!! You are what you eat and if you want to be bigger then eat bigger!
Agreed on the carbs, take in more (especially considering your lifestyle…it will even help your brain function better for school!).
Ivoodoo, about the “clean” diet (I hate that word lol); I don’t disagree entirely with what you’re saying, just meant that the pizza thing, as jskrabac said, is like the “icing on the cake”…the extra thing to an already ok diet if it’s needed.
I think we’ve been agreeing the whole time, obviously I don’t want the kid to base his entire diet around pizza, but on top of an already solid diet and training regimen, I only think it could help.
Ps - burgers are far better than pizzas ;P[/quote]
I’ve found the best way for me to prepare burgers is to put parchment paper on a cookie sheet.
Mix 1lb 95% lean burger with worchestershire sauce, garlic salt, paprika, 1 egg. Make patties, and bake on cookie sheet at 350 for 45 min. Clean up is easy with the parchment. I like to eat the patties on their own with a little dusseldorf mustard.
I didn’t read the entire thread, but I will say that the only way to build mass “fast” is to take anabolic steroids.
Muscle mass is gained very slowly no matter what you do, and over a period of 5 months you can probably only expect to gain 5-10lbs of actual muscle at best (although everybody is different and there are an infinite number of factors that go into this).
The best program for you is going to be the one that forces you to add the most weight to all the basic lifts for every muscle.
If your bb curl/bb press/bench and row/squat/deadlift are 50/100/200/300/400lbs respectively (for 6-12 reps) right now, you would most likely see the best results with a very basic program that gets you to 100/150/250/350/450 in 5 months… compared to a very complex and large program that only adds 20 or so pounds to those lifts, or has you changing exercises so that you don’t even have a concrete measure of progress.
That doesn’t mean you should only curl/press/bench and row/squat/deadlift… not at all… it was just an example. Obviously you should be doing at least 2 basic exercises for every muscle, advisably more like 3 or 4, and training as many days a week as you can.
The other side of the coin is diet obviously, and you need to know that without 1g of protein per pound of bodyweight as a bare minimum, and enough calories to gain a few pounds a month or more, all your efforts in the gym will be pointless.
5 months is not a long time in bodybuilding, but if you are 100% dedicated you can gain 15lbs of bodyweight and add 50lbs to all your lifts, so yeah you will have put on a significant amount of muscle. My best advice is to keep it simple and remember what you’re actually trying to accomplish (increase bodyweight, increase lifts in an 8-12 range), without getting distracted by fancy exercises or pre-made programs or skimping on your diet/training whatsoever.
Thanks guys for your responses. One thing i dont think you get is im not stopping after 5 months. ALl year round i am doing a athlete geared program call WSB4SB3. It has all the basic lifts ( squat, bench, dead, press) . I was just wondering if it would be beneficial to do a strict bodybuilding program for a few months in the off season
[quote]jtownlax wrote:
Thanks guys for your responses. One thing i dont think you get is im not stopping after 5 months. ALl year round i am doing a athlete geared program call WSB4SB3. It has all the basic lifts ( squat, bench, dead, press) . I was just wondering if it would be beneficial to do a strict bodybuilding program for a few months in the off season[/quote]
Whats more important to you: being a better athlete or adding muscle mass? If you want to be a better athlete stick with the program your coach put you on to gain functional strength for your sport. The bodybuilding type programs I’ve seen add muscle but if you want to be a higher caliber athlete you need to train explosiveness and speed with lifts. Just my opinion others may feel differently
my coach didn’t put me on this program. Someone on this forum actually put me on it because it has proven to give athletes the best results possible. It does have all the basic lifts as said before minus overhead press which is substituted DB overhead press and BB rows which are substituted with cable rows. Right now im in a tough situation. I have always wanted to play D1 lacrosse. I wrote down every time someone told me i cant make it and will prove them wrong. I always had good stick skills but my speed was really lacking and i was fat. So i dropped from 168 to 145. I did lose a lot of muscle mass i guess. one day i woke up and said i was just weak. I came to this sight and asked around what i could do. FOund joe defrancoe who is the author of wsb4sb3 and hoped on his program after a few months of SS. I have fell in love with lifting. My results so far are just pumping me up and honestly i dont know if i want to just bodybuild or do strength training. I have gained a lot of size on my program because it is similar to a BB program just lower rep ranges. So i was thinking maybe i could do a BB program and lacrosse at the same time but people have told me it will help me but not as much as my current program
Well I know very little about the training necessary for lax. I’d say your best bet would be to talk to your coach about it. As long as he actually knows what he’s talking about he should be able to get you going in the right direction. Also you can talk to the other players on your team who are bigger, faster, and stronger than you to find out how they train. If none of this provides an adequate answer go on google and find a lax forum to ask experienced players. We live in the technological age, use that to your advantage.
Ps - burgers are far better than pizzas ;P[/quote]
I’ve found the best way for me to prepare burgers is to put parchment paper on a cookie sheet.
Mix 1lb 95% lean burger with worchestershire sauce, garlic salt, paprika, 1 egg. Make patties, and bake on cookie sheet at 350 for 45 min. Clean up is easy with the parchment. I like to eat the patties on their own with a little dusseldorf mustard. [/quote]
Oh my god that sounds amazing whenever I made burgers I just threw them on a skillet and flipped them. Looking back, this seems like the most unappetizing way to make them.
I did ask people on a lax forum and thats when i was recommended my current program. Everyone says its the best program for athletes to get bigger stronger and faster so i guess im doing it right?
Ps - burgers are far better than pizzas ;P[/quote]
I’ve found the best way for me to prepare burgers is to put parchment paper on a cookie sheet.
Mix 1lb 95% lean burger with worchestershire sauce, garlic salt, paprika, 1 egg. Make patties, and bake on cookie sheet at 350 for 45 min. Clean up is easy with the parchment. I like to eat the patties on their own with a little dusseldorf mustard. [/quote]
OMFG that sounds so amazing right now
[quote]jtownlax wrote:
I did ask people on a lax forum and thats when i was recommended my current program. Everyone says its the best program for athletes to get bigger stronger and faster so i guess im doing it right?[/quote]
Definitely stick with WS4SB. Just work hard and eat eat eat. That’s all there is to it. You’re getting a lot of solid advice. Don’t waste it.
[quote]jtownlax wrote:
I did ask people on a lax forum and thats when i was recommended my current program. Everyone says its the best program for athletes to get bigger stronger and faster so i guess im doing it right?[/quote]
If people who play lax say its the best program and you’re making gains with it then yes stick with it. It’s better to follow the advice of several men who achieved success than hundreds who theorized about it.
yup i will i have actually seen cold hard results pictures so i am sure it is a good program. The guy was an nfl player and now is a powerlifter i think so it def. credible. Liquid Mercury recommended me to do this program so i dont know if you’ve seen him around here .
[quote]jtownlax wrote:
yup i will i have actually seen cold hard results pictures so i am sure it is a good program. The guy was an nfl player and now is a powerlifter i think so it def. credible. Liquid Mercury recommended me to do this program so i dont know if you’ve seen him around here .[/quote]
LM is a strong dude. I’d definitely take his advice.
