[quote]Waittz wrote:
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
[quote]Waittz wrote:
Seriously guys? You dont get satire? [/quote]
Sorry, I must have missed the inflection in your font.[/quote]
fucking lol [/quote]
Hah. Waittz, where in Florida are you?
[quote]ZJStrope wrote:
[quote]Waittz wrote:
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
[quote]Waittz wrote:
Seriously guys? You dont get satire? [/quote]
Sorry, I must have missed the inflection in your font.[/quote]
fucking lol [/quote]
Hah. Waittz, where in Florida are you?[/quote]
Central, born and raised in Ft Lauderdale, been in the greater Orlando area for soem time now. You?
[quote]BrickHead wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
If some chart or equation on a website is going to make you give up on your goal of building the best physique you can, you didnât have what it would take to be your best anyway.[/quote]
Truth. [/quote]
Bullshit. People believe what most people believeâŠuntil someone challenges it. If you really think âperceived limitsâ canât hold people back, you donât understand the human condition.
Not only that, but look at the backlash if ANYONE claims they passed this supposed âlimitâ.
It isnât like some of you donât go all out to disprove anyone who says they do itâŠand clearly this is because you all arenât holding anyone back.
Crabs in a bucket.[/quote]
Uh, if someone claims to have passed the limit, and isnât just full of shit, but is telling the truth, than itâs proof they werenât limited.[/quote]
It is also proof that many of you believe in these limits even beyond what is right in front of you.
âŠand not only will you believe them, you will fight tooth and nail to make sure they hold if anyone even comes close to it.
It is one thing to hold a belief personalâŠand quite another to try as hard as some here do to discredit anyone who challenges it.[/quote]
How about challenging it with evidence?
[/quote]
Did that already. I got told that caliper readings are now invalid.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]BrickHead wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
If some chart or equation on a website is going to make you give up on your goal of building the best physique you can, you didnât have what it would take to be your best anyway.[/quote]
Truth. [/quote]
Bullshit. People believe what most people believeâŠuntil someone challenges it. If you really think âperceived limitsâ canât hold people back, you donât understand the human condition.
Not only that, but look at the backlash if ANYONE claims they passed this supposed âlimitâ.
It isnât like some of you donât go all out to disprove anyone who says they do itâŠand clearly this is because you all arenât holding anyone back.
Crabs in a bucket.[/quote]
Uh, if someone claims to have passed the limit, and isnât just full of shit, but is telling the truth, than itâs proof they werenât limited.[/quote]
It is also proof that many of you believe in these limits even beyond what is right in front of you.
âŠand not only will you believe them, you will fight tooth and nail to make sure they hold if anyone even comes close to it.
It is one thing to hold a belief personalâŠand quite another to try as hard as some here do to discredit anyone who challenges it.[/quote]
How about challenging it with evidence?
[/quote]
Did that already. I got told that caliper readings are now invalid.[/quote]
I got calipered at 8% at 220. SoâŠ
[quote]ryan.b_96 wrote:
[quote]krummdiddy wrote:
[quote]ryan.b_96 wrote:
[quote]krummdiddy wrote:
[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:
[quote]krummdiddy wrote:
[quote]flipcollar wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]rds63799 wrote:
worrying about whatâs attainable natty is the same in my eyes as fat chicks whining about size zero models.
Who cares what someone else has done? Just be the best version of yourself you can.
And while I hate to throw flames on an argument that has raged through this place like napalm, something is only viewed as unattainable natty until someone natty attains it. Maybe youâll be the first? Wonât know if you donât try.[/quote].
This.[/quote]
Obviously there are LIMITS though. Someone should start a thread about itâŠ
[/quote]
But if everybodyâs limit is different than there really isnât a limit⊠and who says anybody has a limit? What if a person reaches the so called âlimitâ and keeps working, are they just going to stay the same after that? Are they going to get a text msg saying âyou have reached your limit, no progress will be madeâ come on man!! For most peole they talk about natty limits to make themselves feel better when they see dudes that are bigger, stronger, and faster then they are⊠They use the, âhe isnât naturalâ excuse so they donât have to worry about trying to compete with that other person⊠[/quote]
There isnât a hard and fast limit that can be used for each person but each person will have their own limit. Itâs basic physiology.
Doesnât mean you should not train your ass off erry day and do what ever you can to continue to progress and enjoy what you are doing. But to say ppl do not have a size/leannes limit is asinine [/quote]
I know people have a limit but they will never reach that limit in less they challenge what most people think the limit isâŠ[/quote]
No one said not to try and beat these charts, where are you getting this from? these are just accurate expectations of what experts believe majority of people can gain naturally. based on experience and studying of TOP NATURAL BODYBUILDERS. no one said stop fucking trying if you get close to them, and you would be an idiot to do so.
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I think this whole thread is stupidâŠ[/quote].
Thatâs nice⊠Who the fuck told you that you had to be apart of it? [/quote]
hmmm I believe that would be nobody⊠Just throwing my two cents in⊠Donât get all butt hurt because I donât agree with youâŠ
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Did that already. I got told that caliper readings are now invalid.[/quote]
So what do you calculate your LBM improvement to be at this point? Serious question, not an argument. I donât remember what your caliper reading was, so please re-state it if you donât mind, and lay out what your starting point was. The new caliper reading alone doesnât really tell us anything.
I have a bad feeling you are going to tell me that you wonât do that, but I am genuinely curious what you think your own gains have been since you started. It would definitely help people understand where you are coming from.
[quote]J. Prufrock wrote:
I have noticed a correlation between believing that there arenât really set limits and being a âbig guyâ or âbulkerâ. It just seems that all of the guys arguing against any of the limits that have been discussed lately are the big 'ole boys (X, krumm, etc.), or just guys who like to bulk out.[/quote]
I have never âbulkedâ my lifting my entire life has been to get stronger for sports⊠From football to powerlifting to being a thrower⊠I never said there werenât âlimitsâ I just said there wasnât a limit that is standard for everybodyâŠ
[quote]Mad Martigan wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Did that already. I got told that caliper readings are now invalid.[/quote]
So what do you calculate your LBM improvement to be at this point? Serious question, not an argument. I donât remember what your caliper reading was, so please re-state it if you donât mind, and lay out what your starting point was. The new caliper reading alone doesnât really tell us anything.
I have a bad feeling you are going to tell me that you wonât do that, but I am genuinely curious what you think your own gains have been since you started. It would definitely help people understand where you are coming from.[/quote]
If someone doesnât understand where I am coming from after this many years, they need to do research.
I gave my stats and my stats made it to that mark. They are now arguing that caliper readings are invalid because I did. That makes no sense if you are not trying to hold people back and donât use limits to actually limit someone.
[quote]krummdiddy wrote:
[quote]J. Prufrock wrote:
I have noticed a correlation between believing that there arenât really set limits and being a âbig guyâ or âbulkerâ. It just seems that all of the guys arguing against any of the limits that have been discussed lately are the big 'ole boys (X, krumm, etc.), or just guys who like to bulk out.[/quote]
I have never âbulkedâ my lifting my entire life has been to get stronger for sports⊠From football to powerlifting to being a thrower⊠I never said there werenât âlimitsâ I just said there wasnât a limit that is standard for everybody⊠[/quote]
They will change what you actually write and argue that instead.
It is how they work.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]Mad Martigan wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Did that already. I got told that caliper readings are now invalid.[/quote]
So what do you calculate your LBM improvement to be at this point? Serious question, not an argument. I donât remember what your caliper reading was, so please re-state it if you donât mind, and lay out what your starting point was. The new caliper reading alone doesnât really tell us anything.
I have a bad feeling you are going to tell me that you wonât do that, but I am genuinely curious what you think your own gains have been since you started. It would definitely help people understand where you are coming from.[/quote]
If someone doesnât understand where I am coming from after this many years, they need to do research.
I gave my stats and my stats made it to that mark. They are now arguing that caliper readings are invalid because I did. That makes no sense if you are not trying to hold people back and donât use limits to actually limit someone.[/quote]
Look, man, I am not going to spend the energy tracking down where and when you said what. You do realize thatâs nearly impossible for a guy with as many posts as you, right? Research? People need to research what you are about? You are not a superhero, or a Wikipedia page, or a person of note in America. You are just a dude who likes to lift weights who posts on T-Nation a lot.
I find it hard to believe you do not have your stats memorized. It would have taken you 2 seconds to type them, and at the very least, no more time than it took for this response. This seems to be your biggest interest in life and I bet you could tell me your exact caliper readings first, last and every one in between without a blink.
But, youâd rather just argue with every human being who comes into your radius than be a decent guy.
[quote]Smashingweights wrote:
[quote]flipcollar wrote:
Wow. I was joking when I brought up talking about âlimitsâ again. I truly didnât expect to turn this thread into LIMITS 3.0. [/quote]
Iâm going to get a jump start on the LIMITS 4.0 thread.[/quote]
Youâre way behind already. Iâm starting LIMITS 8.0 this afternoon.
[quote]Mad Martigan wrote:
Look, man, I am not going to spend the energy tracking down where and when you said what. You do realize thatâs nearly impossible for a guy with as many posts as you, right? Research? People need to research what you are about? You are not a superhero, or a Wikipedia page, or a person of note in America. You are just a dude who likes to lift weights who posts on T-Nation a lot.[/quote]
? Your point?
So if I donât do what you demand, that makes me indecent?
I donât jump through hoops. Sorry, guy.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]krummdiddy wrote:
[quote]J. Prufrock wrote:
I have noticed a correlation between believing that there arenât really set limits and being a âbig guyâ or âbulkerâ. It just seems that all of the guys arguing against any of the limits that have been discussed lately are the big 'ole boys (X, krumm, etc.), or just guys who like to bulk out.[/quote]
I have never âbulkedâ my lifting my entire life has been to get stronger for sports⊠From football to powerlifting to being a thrower⊠I never said there werenât âlimitsâ I just said there wasnât a limit that is standard for everybody⊠[/quote]
[I] will change what you actually write and argue that instead.
It is how [I] work.[/quote]
Oh the irony
[quote]bwilliamsr89 wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]krummdiddy wrote:
[quote]J. Prufrock wrote:
I have noticed a correlation between believing that there arenât really set limits and being a âbig guyâ or âbulkerâ. It just seems that all of the guys arguing against any of the limits that have been discussed lately are the big 'ole boys (X, krumm, etc.), or just guys who like to bulk out.[/quote]
I have never âbulkedâ my lifting my entire life has been to get stronger for sports⊠From football to powerlifting to being a thrower⊠I never said there werenât âlimitsâ I just said there wasnât a limit that is standard for everybody⊠[/quote]
[I] will change what you actually write and argue that instead.
It is how [I] work.[/quote]
Oh the irony[/quote]
Yet that isnât happening.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]krummdiddy wrote:
[quote]J. Prufrock wrote:
I have noticed a correlation between believing that there arenât really set limits and being a âbig guyâ or âbulkerâ. It just seems that all of the guys arguing against any of the limits that have been discussed lately are the big 'ole boys (X, krumm, etc.), or just guys who like to bulk out.[/quote]
I have never âbulkedâ my lifting my entire life has been to get stronger for sports⊠From football to powerlifting to being a thrower⊠I never said there werenât âlimitsâ I just said there wasnât a limit that is standard for everybody⊠[/quote]
They will change what you actually write and argue that instead.
It is how they work.[/quote]
Iâve noticed
[quote]flipcollar wrote:
[quote]Smashingweights wrote:
[quote]flipcollar wrote:
Wow. I was joking when I brought up talking about âlimitsâ again. I truly didnât expect to turn this thread into LIMITS 3.0. [/quote]
Iâm going to get a jump start on the LIMITS 4.0 thread.[/quote]
Youâre way behind already. Iâm starting LIMITS 8.0 this afternoon.[/quote]
Thatâs probably too many. Even limits have limits.
[quote]Waittz wrote:
[quote]ZJStrope wrote:
[quote]Waittz wrote:
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
[quote]Waittz wrote:
Seriously guys? You dont get satire? [/quote]
Sorry, I must have missed the inflection in your font.[/quote]
fucking lol [/quote]
Hah. Waittz, where in Florida are you?[/quote]
Central, born and raised in Ft Lauderdale, been in the greater Orlando area for soem time now. You? [/quote]
Cool. Not far from me. I was actually born in Homestead AFB, but raised in Michigan. Been in Tampa for about 3.5 years now.
Naturals can accomplish a lot. I competed at 182 at 5 6. Benched over 400 and could parralel squat 500 no belt or wraps.
I never did any prohormones, only creatine, tribulus etc⊠At 39 I still can put up 400 and squat close to 400 ass to floor. The reason why i competed in the first place in no one believed my brother and I were natural back in the day.
Jamie Gallant
[quote]spar4tee wrote:
[quote]flipcollar wrote:
[quote]Smashingweights wrote:
[quote]flipcollar wrote:
Wow. I was joking when I brought up talking about âlimitsâ again. I truly didnât expect to turn this thread into LIMITS 3.0. [/quote]
Iâm going to get a jump start on the LIMITS 4.0 thread.[/quote]
Youâre way behind already. Iâm starting LIMITS 8.0 this afternoon.[/quote]
Thatâs probably too many. Even limits have limits.[/quote]
If I didnât think it would get deleted immediately Iâd start a thread on the limits of limit threads.
[quote]Jamie133 wrote:
Naturals can accomplish a lot. I competed at 182 at 5 6. Benched over 400 and could parralel squat 500 no belt or wraps.
I never did any prohormones, only creatine, tribulus etc⊠At 39 I still can put up 400 and squat close to 400 ass to floor. The reason why i competed in the first place in no one believed my brother and I were natural back in the day.
Jamie Gallant [/quote]
That is within the realm of possibility mentioned in this thread. Saw your pics, you and your bro looked awesome.