Honestly I find it hilarious that still at this point X still thinks he has more muscle than pretty much every natty pro and the pictures that Stu posted. Along with the guys who just play bball and eat mcdonalds all day who are bigger than fitness models.
[quote]Mtag666 wrote:
Honestly I find it hilarious that still at this point X still thinks he has more muscle than pretty much every natty pro and the pictures that Stu posted. Along with the guys who just play bball and eat mcdonalds all day who are bigger than fitness models. [/quote]
According to him he has surpassed the best natties in the past half century.
Wow, it feels like every time that i post something, even when I make a point to try and be objective and not start an argument, people still get all worked up about what I say.
@krumm-Look, I wasnāt trying to insult you or even say anything remotely negative about you. I just pointed out how you and X and a few others that donāt really feel like there are set limits also seem to be ābiggerā and less āleanā guys. Not an insult, just an observation. For what itās worth, I do agree with you in that I donāt believe that there is the same universal limit for all, but there absolutely are limits.
Also, I do not believe that X has surpassed the limits discussed previously, as that would place him at a level above, well, all the past natural bodybuilders in history. Bold claim. Not buying it. Lastly, I also find it quite peculiar that you seemed to take offense when I said that you ābulkedā. Funny associating you with that word got people riled up. I thought bulking was supposed to be the holy grail, right?
@X-Please. Just stop trying to pop in and play with peoplesā minds and convince them that I am part of some mindless corporation of individuals that are all out to get you. āThat is what they do.ā Who the hell is ātheyā? Really, man, if anybody doesnāt agree with you they are a part of some evil conspiracy that you have come up with over the years where all who donāt agree with you are out to lynch the ābulkersā. Handle yourself.
Also, krumm, I usually try and avoid speaking ill of someone, especially someone I have never met in person. However, I will say, X really isnāt a guy you want to side with. Youāll end up arguing with every other poster on this site if he had his way. Not to mention, it will only be a matter of time before he shows his true colors to you and you realize he is just argumentative and cares little about anything other than āwinning argumentsā. Just a tip. Donāt let him play his games with you.
Canāt judge if x has surpassed anything as he needs to drop 10% at minimum to get to the level of leanness discussed in some of those charts till thenā¦itās all talk
why the fuck do limits keep being bought up?
these are not limitsā¦
these are 2 charts that are based on what was achieved by top pro natty bodybuilders.
and another 2 charts written by highly respected members of the fitness community who based these of of their experience and vast knowledge of the human body and natural bodybuilding.
i have stated before that there may be a very select few who surpass these naturally, yet i havenāt seen a single one.
X, you cant use yourself as an example because you where a previous user of pro-hormones. just my opinion but i dont believe you are 15% bodyfat either, as others have said calipers can be very inaccurate.
[quote]Mtag666 wrote:
Honestly I find it hilarious that still at this point X still thinks he has more muscle than pretty much every natty pro and the pictures that Stu posted. Along with the guys who just play bball and eat mcdonalds all day who are bigger than fitness models. [/quote]
This comment is off. I never made any such claim.
I simply gave my stats. Where are you seeing me make this claim?
Further, why lie about me doing so?
Also, just because someone has more lean body mass, it does not mean they will win any bodybuilding contestsā¦so why is anyone even bringing up competing bodybuilders who win when that ideal is based on way more than simply ālean body massā?
That makes no sense unless your goal is just to discredit me.
I have gained enough lean body mass to match that limit. Gaining more lean body mass does not mean you have a better build than the best natural bodybuilders.
Maybe some of you should stop lying so much.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Also, just because someone has more lean body mass, it does not mean they will win any bodybuilding contestsā¦so why is anyone even bringing up competing bodybuilders who win when that ideal is based on way more than simply ālean body massā?
That makes no sense unless your goal is just to discredit me.
I have gained enough lean body mass to match that limit. Gaining more lean body mass does not mean you have a better build than the best natural bodybuilders.
Maybe some of you should stop lying so much.[/quote]
Much of what you say is understood, but itās apparent you donāt have more mass than some of the WNBF pros we see and and speak of here, which is not a bad thingāthese are pros after all, who nearly all of us canāt hang withābut itās a matter of fact.
[quote]BrickHead wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Also, just because someone has more lean body mass, it does not mean they will win any bodybuilding contestsā¦so why is anyone even bringing up competing bodybuilders who win when that ideal is based on way more than simply ālean body massā?
That makes no sense unless your goal is just to discredit me.
I have gained enough lean body mass to match that limit. Gaining more lean body mass does not mean you have a better build than the best natural bodybuilders.
Maybe some of you should stop lying so much.[/quote]
itās apparent you donāt have more mass than some of the WNBF pros we see and and speak of here, [/quote]
Uh, how do you know this?
Why even compare me to them when the LOOK is more illusion and build than PURE MUSCLE MASS?
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]BrickHead wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Also, just because someone has more lean body mass, it does not mean they will win any bodybuilding contestsā¦so why is anyone even bringing up competing bodybuilders who win when that ideal is based on way more than simply ālean body massā?
That makes no sense unless your goal is just to discredit me.
I have gained enough lean body mass to match that limit. Gaining more lean body mass does not mean you have a better build than the best natural bodybuilders.
Maybe some of you should stop lying so much.[/quote]
itās apparent you donāt have more mass than some of the WNBF pros we see and and speak of here, [/quote]
Uh, how do you know this?
Why even compare me to them when the LOOK is more illusion and build than PURE MUSCLE MASS?[/quote]
No one one knows what your muscle mass looks like
ACTING LIKE YOU CANāT SEE THESE MOUNTAINOUS, ENGORGED, MASSIVE, EXTREMELY DEVLOPED MUSCKLES BECAUSE OF THE FATS?!?
MAYBE YOU JUST ARENāT CUT OUT FOR THIS?
MAYBE YOU NEED TO GET YOUR EYES CHECKED?
MAYBE YOU ARE GAY?
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]BrickHead wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Also, just because someone has more lean body mass, it does not mean they will win any bodybuilding contestsā¦so why is anyone even bringing up competing bodybuilders who win when that ideal is based on way more than simply ālean body massā?
That makes no sense unless your goal is just to discredit me.
I have gained enough lean body mass to match that limit. Gaining more lean body mass does not mean you have a better build than the best natural bodybuilders.
Maybe some of you should stop lying so much.[/quote]
itās apparent you donāt have more mass than some of the WNBF pros we see and and speak of here, [/quote]
Uh, how do you know this?
Why even compare me to them when the LOOK is more illusion and build than PURE MUSCLE MASS?[/quote]
Because theyāre holding more mass, evidenced by what they weigh at stage weight.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
I have gained enough lean body mass to match that limit.[/quote]
Cool, now why donāt you lose the extra layer of fat to actually look like you did.
[quote]BrickHead wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]BrickHead wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Also, just because someone has more lean body mass, it does not mean they will win any bodybuilding contestsā¦so why is anyone even bringing up competing bodybuilders who win when that ideal is based on way more than simply ālean body massā?
That makes no sense unless your goal is just to discredit me.
I have gained enough lean body mass to match that limit. Gaining more lean body mass does not mean you have a better build than the best natural bodybuilders.
Maybe some of you should stop lying so much.[/quote]
itās apparent you donāt have more mass than some of the WNBF pros we see and and speak of here, [/quote]
Uh, how do you know this?
Why even compare me to them when the LOOK is more illusion and build than PURE MUSCLE MASS?[/quote]
Because theyāre holding more mass, evidenced by what they weigh at stage weight. [/quote]
You donāt know exactly what I would weigh at stage weight so how do you know?
[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:
No one one knows what your muscle mass looks like
[/quote]
That is very strange because the internet seems to be the only place where somehow people canāt see my muscles.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]BrickHead wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]BrickHead wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Also, just because someone has more lean body mass, it does not mean they will win any bodybuilding contestsā¦so why is anyone even bringing up competing bodybuilders who win when that ideal is based on way more than simply ālean body massā?
That makes no sense unless your goal is just to discredit me.
I have gained enough lean body mass to match that limit. Gaining more lean body mass does not mean you have a better build than the best natural bodybuilders.
Maybe some of you should stop lying so much.[/quote]
itās apparent you donāt have more mass than some of the WNBF pros we see and and speak of here, [/quote]
Uh, how do you know this?
Why even compare me to them when the LOOK is more illusion and build than PURE MUSCLE MASS?[/quote]
Because theyāre holding more mass, evidenced by what they weigh at stage weight. [/quote]
You donāt know exactly what I would weigh at stage weight so how do you know?
[/quote]
I have a good estimation.
Also considering the leg mass of WNBF pros, some shown here, thatās a good indicator for a comparison as well.
[quote]BrickHead wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]BrickHead wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]BrickHead wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Also, just because someone has more lean body mass, it does not mean they will win any bodybuilding contestsā¦so why is anyone even bringing up competing bodybuilders who win when that ideal is based on way more than simply ālean body massā?
That makes no sense unless your goal is just to discredit me.
I have gained enough lean body mass to match that limit. Gaining more lean body mass does not mean you have a better build than the best natural bodybuilders.
Maybe some of you should stop lying so much.[/quote]
itās apparent you donāt have more mass than some of the WNBF pros we see and and speak of here, [/quote]
Uh, how do you know this?
Why even compare me to them when the LOOK is more illusion and build than PURE MUSCLE MASS?[/quote]
Because theyāre holding more mass, evidenced by what they weigh at stage weight. [/quote]
You donāt know exactly what I would weigh at stage weight so how do you know?
[/quote]
I have a good estimation.
Also considering the leg mass of WNBF pros, some shown here, thatās a good indicator for a comparison as well. [/quote]
Dude, while your legs look very nice, my legs are bigger than your ownā¦even my calves which yo0u talk so badly aboutā¦so what are you talking about?
30" quads and 18+" calves mean I am holding less mass?
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]BrickHead wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]BrickHead wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]BrickHead wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Also, just because someone has more lean body mass, it does not mean they will win any bodybuilding contestsā¦so why is anyone even bringing up competing bodybuilders who win when that ideal is based on way more than simply ālean body massā?
That makes no sense unless your goal is just to discredit me.
I have gained enough lean body mass to match that limit. Gaining more lean body mass does not mean you have a better build than the best natural bodybuilders.
Maybe some of you should stop lying so much.[/quote]
itās apparent you donāt have more mass than some of the WNBF pros we see and and speak of here, [/quote]
Uh, how do you know this?
Why even compare me to them when the LOOK is more illusion and build than PURE MUSCLE MASS?[/quote]
Because theyāre holding more mass, evidenced by what they weigh at stage weight. [/quote]
You donāt know exactly what I would weigh at stage weight so how do you know?
[/quote]
I have a good estimation.
Also considering the leg mass of WNBF pros, some shown here, thatās a good indicator for a comparison as well. [/quote]
Dude, while your legs look very nice, my legs are bigger than your ownā¦even my calves which yo0u talk so badly aboutā¦so what are you talking about?
30" quads and 18+" calves mean I am holding less mass?[/quote]
Your legs look small.
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]BrickHead wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]BrickHead wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]BrickHead wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Also, just because someone has more lean body mass, it does not mean they will win any bodybuilding contestsā¦so why is anyone even bringing up competing bodybuilders who win when that ideal is based on way more than simply ālean body massā?
That makes no sense unless your goal is just to discredit me.
I have gained enough lean body mass to match that limit. Gaining more lean body mass does not mean you have a better build than the best natural bodybuilders.
Maybe some of you should stop lying so much.[/quote]
itās apparent you donāt have more mass than some of the WNBF pros we see and and speak of here, [/quote]
Uh, how do you know this?
Why even compare me to them when the LOOK is more illusion and build than PURE MUSCLE MASS?[/quote]
Because theyāre holding more mass, evidenced by what they weigh at stage weight. [/quote]
You donāt know exactly what I would weigh at stage weight so how do you know?
[/quote]
I have a good estimation.
Also considering the leg mass of WNBF pros, some shown here, thatās a good indicator for a comparison as well. [/quote]
Dude, while your legs look very nice, my legs are bigger than your ownā¦even my calves which yo0u talk so badly aboutā¦so what are you talking about?
30" quads and 18+" calves mean I am holding less mass?[/quote]
Your legs look small.[/quote]
Not to meā¦and not to anyone else from what I have heardā¦until this thread.