[quote]JoabSonOfZeruiah wrote:
I wonder when these thread max out?[/quote]
when 46 emerges
[quote]spar4tee wrote:
[quote]JoabSonOfZeruiah wrote:
I wonder when these thread max out?[/quote]
when 46 emerges[/quote]
The end is nigh
Relatively new to reading the forums but read this entire thread today at work and felt compelled to say this in the least offensive way:
Great reading at first, learned some good stuff from guys like Stu. Then PX chimes in with loads of shit about 30 inch legs, being the top dog medical expert, being more advanced than Pros etc.
From all the neutrals out there wanting to learn bits from others:
PX fuck off.
[quote]hawkins14 wrote:
Relatively new to reading the forums but read this entire thread today at work and felt compelled to say this in the least offensive way:
Great reading at first, learned some good stuff from guys like Stu. Then PX chimes in with loads of shit about 30 inch legs, being the top dog medical expert, being more advanced than Pros etc.
From all the neutrals out there wanting to learn bits from others:
PX fuck off.
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You are new here but you will find that your assessment of this thread is easily transposed to every other thread on BLS. But it is not PXâs fault it is everyone else as he rarely posts here
[quote]SteelyD wrote:
[quote]BrickHead wrote:
[quote]SteelyD wrote:
[quote]J. Prufrock wrote:
If I was just looking to get as big as possible, I would listen to X. However, that would most likely end up with me carrying much more fat than Iâd like. [/quote]
So at the risk of being a âPX Nuthuggerâ, Iâll say this:
PX never said âgo get fatâ. (That Iâm aware of).
The good doctor, while comfortable in his own level of fatness, has to my knowledge never said âgo get fatâ.
This is what I, as a newb, took from his earlier posts/threads. I always understood it as âtake it to where you feel comfortableâ, the âput the brakes onâ. I think, IIRC, he said âdamage controlâ. No? I mean, if your goal is BB comp or physique oriented and you are not worried about 1RM liftsand you just keep getting fat, then really youâre not really listening to the message. If you want to put on weight fast and you understand that youâre going to smooth out, then the message is eat for the goal.
Itâs one way of doing it. Certainly not âThe Onlyâ way. Maybe not the best way, or even a good way (for everyone). Just âoneâ way.
I know I am somewhat retarded and probably one of the least knowledgeable people on these boards, but I swear Iâve never read âGo get fatâ from the âWorks of PXâ.
Now, can we fucking move on now? I really want to talk about biceps or something else besides this damned fat vs lean bullshit.[/quote]
Your post is sensible and I think you know I think good of you.
However, although X of course never said âget fatâ --who would actually say this?âhis advice will and has lead quite a few people to get fat.
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Brick - I love you too, brother. <3
Let me ask you this: If someone goes to âbulkâ, and they eat, and they get fat, beyond their comfort zone, is that really anyoneâs fault but their own?
Iâve been looking back through âT-Cell Alphaâ threads (remember that cobwebby place?) and I remember a couple people (JFit maybe? and someone else) tried to âbulk upâ. Honestly, they failed. Was that really anyoneâs fault but their own?
Maybe they ate too much junk (never condoned). Maybe they didnât work as hard as they think they did (never condoned). Maybe they justified flabby fat and ignored their progress (never condoned).
Ok, letâs talk about me, me, me now 
Iâm not lean for sure. However, Iâm not âflabbyâ. I know Iâve justified a pizza (or fifty), but for several years, in my late 30âs early 40âs Iâve set some aggressive goals and pretty much hit them knowing I wouldnât be seeing my abs soon.
Iâve finally just about hit my âcomfort zoneâ and have started taking steps to come down a bit. Iâve used an amalgam (HA!! Dental word) of advice from a lot of different folks-- PX, MauraduerMeat (I miss that guy tremendously), Stu, Coach Thibs, and some others (I could think of worse composite lifters), but I would NEVER blame them for anything Iâve done wrong, although Iâd probably credit them for the good their methods provided.
It really does boil down to responsibility. Thatâs in life AND lifting.
Just my 0.02 centavos.
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Best post.
Thanks.
[quote]The Mighty Stu wrote:
[quote]SteelyD wrote:
[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:
[quote]jskrabac wrote:
I can vouch for that. I bought into the whole âgotta hold a heavy weight so my body gets used to moving around at that weightâ mentality. In the end, I needed to diet for 10 whole months to get stage ready, and I actually had alot of medical issues at the heavy bodyweight. [/quote]
There are many ppl from tnation that had this exact thing happen only to diet the fat off and see the results of getting strong and eating s ton did not yield extra muscle. Now they stay lean and grow look better all the time yet make consistent progress[/quote]
Thatâs awesome that some can do that.
Is that the only way everyone should approach growing and making progress?[/quote]
I think we can all agree that thereâs no single way to do things, but while youâve got a lot of posters who will offer thoughts on their approaches and results, most donât try to turn everything thread into a support post for why theyâve exceeded everyone elseâs progress, and give the impression that all of the best developed people followed a similar path.
By this point, we all know what Xâs approach to training was and we all know his opinion on matters such as how well the top competitive natural bodybuilders have done and itâs lack of relevance to everyone else.[/quote]
How do you know its relevance to everyone else? You seem to think you speak for the majority.
Simply put, most people donât give a flying piss in the wind about ever competingâŠso even using that as the only standard is where you lose relevance.
Wow. If that is the case, you blame those people doing that. I post on this site in my spare time. If that has literally changed this forum and threatened so manyâŠshould I be ashamed or proud? I personally think it is crazy if anyone is supporting those who act like thatâŠlike you seem to be.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Wow. If that is the case, you blame those people doing that. I post on this site in my spare time. If that has literally changed this forum and threatened so manyâŠshould I be ashamed or proud? I personally think it is crazy if anyone is supporting those who act like thatâŠlike you seem to be.[/quote]
Meh, itâs the tone.
Maybe itâs aggressiveness, maybe itâs defensiveness, I donât know and Iâm not going to sit here and do the armchair psychology thing⊠but itâs not a very friendly and helpful tone. Youâve definitely been helpful to many; thatâs not the issue.
But because your tone is so abrasive, reading your posts brings up strong emotional responses with a lot of people. And, as has been noted many times in these threads, itâs not a particularly good kind of response. But it does make you memorable to even the casual reader of these forums.
[quote]LoRez wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Wow. If that is the case, you blame those people doing that. I post on this site in my spare time. If that has literally changed this forum and threatened so manyâŠshould I be ashamed or proud? I personally think it is crazy if anyone is supporting those who act like thatâŠlike you seem to be.[/quote]
Meh, itâs the tone.
Maybe itâs aggressiveness, maybe itâs defensiveness, I donât know and Iâm not going to sit here and do the armchair psychology thing⊠but itâs not a very friendly and helpful tone. Youâve definitely been helpful to many; thatâs not the issue.
But because your tone is so abrasive, reading your posts brings up strong emotional responses with a lot of people. And, as has been noted many times in these threads, itâs not a particularly good kind of response. But it does make you memorable to even the casual reader of these forums.[/quote]
âŠwhich means people are upset because what I write meets an audience.
They used to call that jealousy. If what I was writing was so useless and hurtful, no one would be reading and no one would be getting upset.
You donât blame me because someone else gets emotional about what I write when I am not insulting anyone on a personal levelâŠyet every attack on me is nothing but personal.
You blame the person whose emotions are that wrapped up in an internet forum.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]LoRez wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Wow. If that is the case, you blame those people doing that. I post on this site in my spare time. If that has literally changed this forum and threatened so manyâŠshould I be ashamed or proud? I personally think it is crazy if anyone is supporting those who act like thatâŠlike you seem to be.[/quote]
Meh, itâs the tone.
Maybe itâs aggressiveness, maybe itâs defensiveness, I donât know and Iâm not going to sit here and do the armchair psychology thing⊠but itâs not a very friendly and helpful tone. Youâve definitely been helpful to many; thatâs not the issue.
But because your tone is so abrasive, reading your posts brings up strong emotional responses with a lot of people. And, as has been noted many times in these threads, itâs not a particularly good kind of response. But it does make you memorable to even the casual reader of these forums.[/quote]
âŠwhich means people are upset because what I write meets an audience.
They used to call that jealousy. If what I was writing was so useless and hurtful, no one would be reading and no one would be getting upset.
You donât blame me because someone else gets emotional about what I write when I am not insulting anyone on a personal levelâŠyet every attack on me is nothing but personal.
You blame the person whose emotions are that wrapped up in an internet forum.[/quote]
Pleas re read that last statement to yourself and if you canât find it ironic how you were the one who typed itâŠI just donât know what to say
[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:
Pleas re read that last statement to yourself and if you canât find it ironic how you were the one who typed itâŠI just donât know what to say[/quote]
Thatâs the pointâŠyou shouldnât have shit to say. Why would you or anyone else feel it is your duty to make sure I never think too highly of myself?
That points to more of a problem with youâŠnot me. I make no argument against me being arrogant at times. I can be an asshole at times.
I can also spend my free time giving advice on an internet forum for ten years writing out what I can charge a patient anywhere from 50-200 bucks to say out loud.
I donât apologize for not being perfect. I am everything that God and my life have made me to be. If you have that much of an issue with that, keep it to yourself.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:
Pleas re read that last statement to yourself and if you canât find it ironic how you were the one who typed itâŠI just donât know what to say[/quote]
Thatâs the pointâŠyou shouldnât have shit to say. Why would you or anyone else feel it is your duty to make sure I never think too highly of myself?
That points to more of a problem with youâŠnot me. I make no argument against me being arrogant at times. I can be an asshole at times.
I can also spend my free time giving advice on an internet forum for ten years writing out what I can charge a patient anywhere from 50-200 bucks to say out loud.
I donât apologize for not being perfect. I am everything that God and my life have made me to be. If you have that much of an issue with that, keep it to yourself.[/quote]
What more is there to say? If you thought highly of yourself and achieved nothing, then people might have a legitimate beef. The fact youâve achieved enough for people to actually seek out your advice kinda points to the fact youâve achieved plenty and have earned the right for your advice to count for something.
People seem to think that the fact theyâve never made a bulk work for themselves means youâre full of shit and know nothing, and that this gives them the right to ram it down your throat at every opportunity they get. âI bulked once and it didnât work for meâ shouldnât automatically become âbulking doesnât work at allâ. If people were more eager to maybe learn a bit more and perhaps question where they went wrong rather than jump to the polar opposite end of the spectrum then they might make more progress.
But then again, if someone wonât accept something, its pointless telling them over and over. If they want to limit themselves then by all means they can.
Ans since everyone loves examples and pictures. Please post some examples of these people that bulked up to a decent weight for their height and did it staying at 8% bodyfat. I know only one person that fits this description, but Iâve been told by almost everyone that he doesnât exist, which is hilariously ironic.
[quote]MassiveGuns wrote:
Ans since everyone loves examples and pictures. Please post some examples of these people that bulked up to a decent weight for their height and did it staying at 8% bodyfat. I know only one person that fits this description, but Iâve been told by almost everyone that he doesnât exist, which is hilariously ironic.[/quote]
Dude, I am still waiting on pics of guys who got as big as the big guys who did bulk up before.
I havenât seen it yet. All I get is posts about how âdeludedâ I am about how much muscle I have.
My âdelusionâ seems to get a lot of attention in a tank top.
[quote]MassiveGuns wrote:
Ans since everyone loves examples and pictures. Please post some examples of these people that bulked up to a decent weight for their height and did it staying at 8% bodyfat. I know only one person that fits this description, but Iâve been told by almost everyone that he doesnât exist, which is hilariously ironic.[/quote]
https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/935323_543484985704311_1971780988_n.png
http://distilleryimage0.s3.amazonaws.com/5fbfb7609be411e290b722000a9f0a3d_6.jpg
i can keep going.
[quote]MassiveGuns wrote:
Ans since everyone loves examples and pictures. Please post some examples of these people that bulked up to a decent weight for their height and did it staying at 8% bodyfat. I know only one person that fits this description, but Iâve been told by almost everyone that he doesnât exist, which is hilariously ironic.[/quote]
Defixon on some other forums got quite big staying lean. Kingbeef has as well on here. Thereâs others Iâve seen on others forums. And I feel I read Bob Paris never bulked up either, staying sub-10% Bf (could be wrong there). And the drug use of these guys ranges from natty to using good amounts (not assuming anything for Defixon and KB said he was natty in a current thread)
It gets difficult though because youâre never going to be as big as you are when carrying more bodyfat then when youâre lean. So the BWâs of these guys may not be âbigâ enough for the standards of some no matter what.
[quote]TheDon12 wrote:
[quote]MassiveGuns wrote:
Ans since everyone loves examples and pictures. Please post some examples of these people that bulked up to a decent weight for their height and did it staying at 8% bodyfat. I know only one person that fits this description, but Iâve been told by almost everyone that he doesnât exist, which is hilariously ironic.[/quote]
https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/935323_543484985704311_1971780988_n.png
http://distilleryimage0.s3.amazonaws.com/5fbfb7609be411e290b722000a9f0a3d_6.jpg
i can keep going.[/quote]
âŠand they weigh how much for their height? (since that is what massiveguns wrote).
The people you posted have great progress. I think you are missing what is being stated.
[quote]Spidey22 wrote:
[quote]MassiveGuns wrote:
Ans since everyone loves examples and pictures. Please post some examples of these people that bulked up to a decent weight for their height and did it staying at 8% bodyfat. I know only one person that fits this description, but Iâve been told by almost everyone that he doesnât exist, which is hilariously ironic.[/quote]
Defixon on some other forums got quite big staying lean. Kingbeef has as well on here. Thereâs others Iâve seen on others forums. And I feel I read Bob Paris never bulked up either, staying sub-10% Bf (could be wrong there). And the drug use of these guys ranges from natty to using good amounts (not assuming anything for Defixon and KB said he was natty in a current thread)
It gets difficult though because youâre never going to be as big as you are when carrying more bodyfat then when youâre lean. So the BWâs of these guys may not be âbigâ enough for the standards of some no matter what.[/quote]
While kingbeef has remained very lean while gaining, stating that he was sub-10% the whole time is just wrong.
When did this topic turn into staying sub 8% year round while gaining?
That is near contest condition lol
Come on guys.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]TheDon12 wrote:
[quote]MassiveGuns wrote:
Ans since everyone loves examples and pictures. Please post some examples of these people that bulked up to a decent weight for their height and did it staying at 8% bodyfat. I know only one person that fits this description, but Iâve been told by almost everyone that he doesnât exist, which is hilariously ironic.[/quote]
https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/935323_543484985704311_1971780988_n.png
http://distilleryimage0.s3.amazonaws.com/5fbfb7609be411e290b722000a9f0a3d_6.jpg
i can keep going.[/quote]
âŠand they weigh how much for their height? (since that is what massiveguns wrote).
The people you posted have great progress. I think you are missing what is being stated.[/quote]
the first and last guy are both around 5,5 in height. weghing around 164-166 at contest shape. been working out for 5 years . a lot of the pros that work 3dmj bulked like this as well.
lets face it. even if you did manage to gain some more muscle by dirty bulking , you still have to put a lot of time on cutting off the fat and even more if you do it in a smart way if you want to keep most of your gains. that time could have been spent bulking even more.
[quote]Smashingweights wrote:
When did this topic turn into staying sub 8% year round while gaining?
That is near contest condition lol
Come on guys.[/quote]
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âŠwasnât Brick posting picture after picture of guys near that as pros?
What were all of the pictures for?