the first and last guy are both around 5,5 in height. weghing around 164-166 at contest shape. been working out for 5 years . a lot of the pros that work 3dmj bulked like this as well.
lets face it. even if you did manage to gain some more muscle by dirty bulking , you still have to put a lot of time on cutting off the fat and even more if you do it in a smart way if you want to keep most of your gains. that time could have been spent bulking even more.[/quote]
It was spent bulking even more. How long do you think it takes to diet some fat off?
How long do you think it takes to really get your muscular body weight up?
I am not knocking the guys you postedā¦but I seriously doubt massiveguns was talking abo9ut someone 5ā5" and under 170lbs.
He is talking about BIG MUSCULAR GUYS. That doesnāt degrade the guys you posted to admit they may not be that.
[quote]Smashingweights wrote:
When did this topic turn into staying sub 8% year round while gaining?
That is near contest condition lol
Come on guys.[/quote]
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ā¦wasnāt Brick posting picture after picture of guys near that as pros?
What were all of the pictures for?
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He posted those for what naturals are truly capable of?
You are mixing up your threads.
The point is, and has been, that getting overly fat isnāt necessary.
Iām sure you even agree with that.
āOverly fatā is the subjective part.
The ālean gainsā crowd here has advocated 10-15% from what Iāve seen.
Never have I seen someone say sub 10% year round while gaining.
the first and last guy are both around 5,5 in height. weghing around 164-166 at contest shape. been working out for 5 years . a lot of the pros that work 3dmj bulked like this as well.
lets face it. even if you did manage to gain some more muscle by dirty bulking , you still have to put a lot of time on cutting off the fat and even more if you do it in a smart way if you want to keep most of your gains. that time could have been spent bulking even more.[/quote]
It was spent bulking even more. How long do you think it takes to diet some fat off?
How long do you think it takes to really get your muscular body weight up?
I am not knocking the guys you postedā¦but I seriously doubt massiveguns was talking abo9ut someone 5ā5" and under 170lbs.
He is talking about BIG MUSCULAR GUYS. That doesnāt degrade the guys you posted to admit they may not be that.[/quote]
Can i get a pic of massive natural pro around that height? Im not being sarcastic here
the first and last guy are both around 5,5 in height. weghing around 164-166 at contest shape. been working out for 5 years . a lot of the pros that work 3dmj bulked like this as well.
lets face it. even if you did manage to gain some more muscle by dirty bulking , you still have to put a lot of time on cutting off the fat and even more if you do it in a smart way if you want to keep most of your gains. that time could have been spent bulking even more.[/quote]
It was spent bulking even more. How long do you think it takes to diet some fat off?
How long do you think it takes to really get your muscular body weight up?
I am not knocking the guys you postedā¦but I seriously doubt massiveguns was talking abo9ut someone 5ā5" and under 170lbs.
He is talking about BIG MUSCULAR GUYS. That doesnāt degrade the guys you posted to admit they may not be that.[/quote]
Can i get a pic of massive natural pro around that height? Im not being sarcastic here[/quote]
Donāt knowā¦since most of ARE NOT talking about competitive bodybuilding.
Like has been said a million times: there is more than one way to skin a cat.
Does staying leaner <15% while gaining work? Yes.
Does letting your bodyfat creep up to >15% while gaining work? Yes.
Itās all a matter of goals and priorities.
Can we stop ripping on the group of guys who chose to gain in a different way than you or I does?
the first and last guy are both around 5,5 in height. weghing around 164-166 at contest shape. been working out for 5 years . a lot of the pros that work 3dmj bulked like this as well.
lets face it. even if you did manage to gain some more muscle by dirty bulking , you still have to put a lot of time on cutting off the fat and even more if you do it in a smart way if you want to keep most of your gains. that time could have been spent bulking even more.[/quote]
It was spent bulking even more. How long do you think it takes to diet some fat off?
How long do you think it takes to really get your muscular body weight up?
I am not knocking the guys you postedā¦but I seriously doubt massiveguns was talking abo9ut someone 5ā5" and under 170lbs.
He is talking about BIG MUSCULAR GUYS. That doesnāt degrade the guys you posted to admit they may not be that.[/quote]
Can i get a pic of massive natural pro around that height? Im not being sarcastic here[/quote]
Donāt knowā¦since most of ARE NOT talking about competitive bodybuilding.
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What stats would you consider to be massive for a natural at around 10 percent bodyfat(visual abs) and measuring around that height?
[quote]Smashingweights wrote:
When did this topic turn into staying sub 8% year round while gaining?
That is near contest condition lol
Come on guys.[/quote]
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ā¦wasnāt Brick posting picture after picture of guys near that as pros?
What were all of the pictures for?
[/quote]
He posted those for what naturals are truly capable of?
You are mixing up your threads.
The point is, and has been, that getting overly fat isnāt necessary.
Iām sure you even agree with that.
āOverly fatā is the subjective part.
The ālean gainsā crowd here has advocated 10-15% from what Iāve seen.
Never have I seen someone say sub 10% year round while gaining.
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Dear Lordā¦that means you and friends donāt even know what you are arguing against.
Telling someone not to go over some exact percentageā¦and ignoring the progress made to dictate such a rule, makes that idea incorrect.
Why?
Because what if this hypothetical bodybuilder gains even more muscle at āgasp 16% gasp, coughā?
Guys like me are telling guys like that to let their gains dictate their approach.
You seem to be telling people to treat their bodies like a calculator and stop gaining as soon as they hit āx.xxxxxx%ā body fat no matter what.
the first and last guy are both around 5,5 in height. weghing around 164-166 at contest shape. been working out for 5 years . a lot of the pros that work 3dmj bulked like this as well.
lets face it. even if you did manage to gain some more muscle by dirty bulking , you still have to put a lot of time on cutting off the fat and even more if you do it in a smart way if you want to keep most of your gains. that time could have been spent bulking even more.[/quote]
It was spent bulking even more. How long do you think it takes to diet some fat off?
How long do you think it takes to really get your muscular body weight up?
I am not knocking the guys you postedā¦but I seriously doubt massiveguns was talking abo9ut someone 5ā5" and under 170lbs.
He is talking about BIG MUSCULAR GUYS. That doesnāt degrade the guys you posted to admit they may not be that.[/quote]
Can i get a pic of massive natural pro around that height? Im not being sarcastic here[/quote]
Donāt knowā¦since most of ARE NOT talking about competitive bodybuilding.
[/quote]
What stats would you consider to be massive for a natural at around 10 percent bodyfat(visual abs) and measuring around that height?
[/quote]
Why would I limit this to exactly 10%?
Most naturals who are carrying more muscle may hit a ādrastic 15%ā.
the first and last guy are both around 5,5 in height. weghing around 164-166 at contest shape. been working out for 5 years . a lot of the pros that work 3dmj bulked like this as well.
lets face it. even if you did manage to gain some more muscle by dirty bulking , you still have to put a lot of time on cutting off the fat and even more if you do it in a smart way if you want to keep most of your gains. that time could have been spent bulking even more.[/quote]
It was spent bulking even more. How long do you think it takes to diet some fat off?
How long do you think it takes to really get your muscular body weight up?
I am not knocking the guys you postedā¦but I seriously doubt massiveguns was talking abo9ut someone 5ā5" and under 170lbs.
He is talking about BIG MUSCULAR GUYS. That doesnāt degrade the guys you posted to admit they may not be that.[/quote]
Ive noticed that you seem to beleive that fat loss is a fast thing and really underestimate how long it takes in my opinion. This all honesty is the main thing I disagree with you on amongst all these types of threads.
You have to be a bit more open minded to the fact that fatloss, with muscle retention as the main prioty after the obvious loss in fat, is a slow process. 1-2 lbs a week of bodyweight(not pure fat) with 2 being a stretch. It also gets exponentially harder with each pound lost.
I agree with you in the respect that someone who doesnt want to get single digits wont need to worry as much, but for people with goals that are in the single digit range as an end product, it is not so easy. If it was there would be alot of people walking around with respectable size and very lean.
Just my 2 cents, curious to your response. I want to play nice this time around.
the first and last guy are both around 5,5 in height. weghing around 164-166 at contest shape. been working out for 5 years . a lot of the pros that work 3dmj bulked like this as well.
lets face it. even if you did manage to gain some more muscle by dirty bulking , you still have to put a lot of time on cutting off the fat and even more if you do it in a smart way if you want to keep most of your gains. that time could have been spent bulking even more.[/quote]
It was spent bulking even more. How long do you think it takes to diet some fat off?
How long do you think it takes to really get your muscular body weight up?
I am not knocking the guys you postedā¦but I seriously doubt massiveguns was talking abo9ut someone 5ā5" and under 170lbs.
He is talking about BIG MUSCULAR GUYS. That doesnāt degrade the guys you posted to admit they may not be that.[/quote]
Can i get a pic of massive natural pro around that height? Im not being sarcastic here[/quote]
Donāt knowā¦since most of ARE NOT talking about competitive bodybuilding.
[/quote]
What stats would you consider to be massive for a natural at around 10 percent bodyfat(visual abs) and measuring around that height?
[/quote]
Why would I limit this to exactly 10%?
Most naturals who are carrying more muscle may hit a ādrastic 15%ā.[/quote]
Because im curious to what you think is massive at that bodyfat
And yeah most guys dont want to be contest shape ready(3-5 percent) but dont get it twisted. Most guys who get into lifting do want to have that beach body look of 10-12 percent bodyfat.
Ive noticed that you seem to beleive that fat loss is a fast thing and really underestimate how long it takes in my opinion. This all honesty is the main thing I disagree with you on amongst all these types of threads. [/quote]
This is individual.
No matter what, it still usually would take less time than the years it takes to really get very muscular.
I have found that the more muscle you carry effects this greatly.
[quote]
I agree with you in the respect that someone who doesnt want to get single digits wont need to worry as much, but for people with goals that are in the single digit range as an end product, it is not so easy. If it was there would be alot of people walking around with respectable size and very lean.
Just my 2 cents, curious to your response. I want to play nice this time around. [/quote]
But thatās the pointā¦to get the respectable size for most will likely cause many to not remain super lean to pull it off.
No one I saying fat loss is EASY. It is said it takes way less time than gaining an extreme build.
Can we stop ripping on the group of guys who chose to gain in a different way than you or I does?
[/quote]
I think the question was posedā¦who has gained more muscle.
If the guys who bulked up gained more muscle, how is this āripping on guys who chose to gain differentā?[/quote]
Iām not going to argue with you.
Everyone on this site knows your stance and your MO.
I offered an olive branch
[quote]TheDon12 wrote:
And yeah most guys dont want to be contest shape ready(3-5 percent) but dont get it twisted. Most guys who get into lifting do want to have that beach body look of 10-12 percent bodyfat.
[/quote]
ā¦But a ābeach bodyā isnāt always bodybuilding level type of size. āMost guysā are trying to look like Abercrombie modelsā¦which is slightly different than what is being discussed here.
[quote]TheDon12 wrote:
And yeah most guys dont want to be contest shape ready(3-5 percent) but dont get it twisted. Most guys who get into lifting do want to have that beach body look of 10-12 percent bodyfat.
[/quote]
This is also subjective. Depends on how they store fat. Some people can have visable abs at 12, same cant until less than 9. I think the average gym goer doesnt shoot for a set percentage number, rather a degree of confidence and lack of insecurity with their shirt off.
Can we stop ripping on the group of guys who chose to gain in a different way than you or I does?
[/quote]
I think the question was posedā¦who has gained more muscle.
If the guys who bulked up gained more muscle, how is this āripping on guys who chose to gain differentā?[/quote]
Iām not going to argue with you.
Everyone on this site knows your stance and your MO.
I offered an olive branch[/quote]
This response is illogical.
I asked you how anyone is ripping on someone by acknowledging that they did not gain the most muscle. That isnāt an argument.
Sorry, PX, this response is a sci-fi faux pas. Smashingweights has already set the precedence that this forum is āStar Warsā referenced, not Star Trek.
Tsk, tsk.
Please try again. May I recommend trying to respond with ācalculating oddsā or using the phrase āDispense with the ā¦ā
Because im curious to what you think is massive at that bodyfat[/quote]
I think the point you are missingā¦is that I would never in my life think someone needed to hit 10% for me to be able to tell how massive they are.[/quote]
I didnt say you did nor am i thinking that lol. Im legit curious lol