What Makes Your Muscles Shrink?

What makes your muscles visually shrink?

Dehydration? Overtraining? Low carb intake?

For the sake of doing it, I went to the gym 2 days in a row-- worked out for an hour or so in both days. I didn’t feel like I got the workout I wanted the first day, so I went ahead and had a workout the next morning.

Anyway, the next 2 days or so were hell for me. Extreme paranoia, bad mood, you name it-- testosterone drop or just an endorphin crash?

Now in the past week after that, I haven’t felt those workouts AT ALL. Barely any soreness I was hoping for… nothing.

I usually span my workouts to 1 1/2 hours twice a week. Legs & Upper body.

I feel like I’m over training due to my surprisingly little creatine that I take before a workout.

How do you guys know when its enough at the gym? :wink:

laziness.

Three hours a week training does not cause overtraining.

You may not be eating enough, which causes you to feel bad.

HIT training

[quote]dmitry wrote:
What makes your muscles visually shrink? >>>
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Nothing you described

Extreme paranoia? From training 2 days in a row? Don’t take this wrong, but you are one guy who does need to do some reading.

[quote]dmitry wrote:
<<< Now in the past week after that, I haven’t felt those workouts AT ALL. Barely any soreness I was hoping for… nothing. >>>[/quote]

Right now soreness is the least of your worries. Learn some more about training in general and stuff like this will take care of itself.

[quote]dmitry wrote:
<<< I feel like I’m over training due to my surprisingly little creatine that I take before a workout. >>>[/quote]

If this were true NO human being who ever touched a piece of training equipment before the early to mid 90’s could possibly avoid over training.

[quote]dmitry wrote:
<<< How do you guys know when its enough at the gym? :wink:
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Like the other guy hinted, in my opinion you have over absorbed the HIT philosophy at your stage of advancement and I have much more sympathy for that general way of thinking than many others here.

Find a program designed for beginners and do it for a while while you learn some more. HIT principles can be useful, but not for you at this point in your development, again in my opinion.

What is HIT?

How is it that you know the term “overtraining” but seem to be oblivious to everything else training related?

Luckily for you I’m betting your only problems are laziness and ignorance, and neither of those are permanent conditions.

[quote]dmitry wrote:
What is HIT?
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Yup, you’re new to this. High Intensity Training. Go to http://www.drdarden.com.

[quote]dmitry wrote:
What is HIT?
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To a lot of people, it means a constant fear of overtraining. Everyone defines it a little differently.

As for your bad mood, are you sure its related to your training…GASP…TWO DAYS IN A ROW??

Overtraining is not something that happens instantly. Its a condition that accumulates over time.

[quote]dmitry wrote:
What makes your muscles visually shrink?

Dehydration? Overtraining? Low carb intake?
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yes, if you are a mess

that was a stupid thing to do at your level

did you add WEIGHT to the lifts?

wtf? how is that training? 2 workouts per week?

creatine won’t make any difference to that unless you are starving yourself senseless

Lift X lbs week 1. Lift X+5% week 2. That’s enough go home.

Dude you are either stirring us up with this joke post, or you haven’t got a clue. I hope you haven’t got a clue, then you can learn something.

$10 says your problem is you are a beginner with no idea

but $20 says you are stirring us up with a joke post

If you are a beginner here is your problem:

  1. you don’t eat enough or properly so your energy is crashing. learn about eating. I’ve drunk a pint of milk in the time it took me to write this post to this point and I’ll drink another pint before I finish. how much do you actually eat?

  2. 1.5 hrs is too long especially the way you are doing it

  3. one workout makes bugger all difference. if your workout stinks don’t try and do it the next day again to get the feel of it. the ads make you think one workout + shake = muscle that is a load of crap.

  4. you don’t have to feel sore for it to be working

  5. twice a week is too few workouts. do 3 a week, every 2nd day, less than 1hr

  6. you are only allowed to do squats, bench, rows. nothing else because I bet you are wasting time and energy on rubbish

$30 says you won’t do any of the above

Well, thing is-- I’ve noticed myself getting more results if I train really good 2 times / week and get 10+ hours of sleep a day. Sleep and rest is key to any muscle growth. But then again, I can’t imagine myself working out the same muscle groups more often than about 5 days apart.

How does your routine go? Do you cycle targeting muscle angles every time you go to the train?

Also, what would be considered too much dietary fat consumption? I’ve read that too much saturated/mono/poly fats plummet your testosterone.

That’s a lot of sleep. you must be independently wealthy to afford lying motionless for ten hours a day.

Yeah. Gotta love the internet.

[quote]dmitry wrote:
Well, thing is-- I’ve noticed myself getting more results if I train really good 2 times / week and get 10+ hours of sleep a day. Sleep and rest is key to any muscle growth. But then again, I can’t imagine myself working out the same muscle groups more often than about 5 days apart.

How does your routine go? Do you cycle targeting muscle angles every time you go to the train?

Also, what would be considered too much dietary fat consumption? I’ve read that too much saturated/mono/poly fats plummet your testosterone.
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Hey dmitry well it seems you are genuine, so I will help more without sarcasm.

10 points to you to discover that 2x a week works better for you. If that is how long it takes to recover, that is a good idea. I am actually quite similar in a way, it is not great for me to hit the same muscle more than twice a week hard - I can do a lot more than that but it is not as efficient. Note that does not mean I only workout 2x a week though.

You should not eat a lot of dietary fat if it is junk fat, but you should take a lot of fish oil capsules, say, 6 grams a day or so. That will help a lot with everything you are complaining about.

Here is an example of a routine you might like:

MONDAY: hard focus on upper body
bench - hard, the best you can
bent rows - medium level of effort
squats - not too hard. pick a weight you can do 10 reps with and do only 8

TUES - off

WEDS: lighter recovery day
overhead press - medium level effort
shrugs - medium level
lunges - medium level

THURS - OFF

FRI: hard focus on legs
squats - hard, best you can
bench - not too hard. pick a weight you can do 10 reps with and do only 8
bent rows - medium

SAT / SUN off

With that routine you work your muscles 3x a week but have enough recovery. midweek helps you recover and also, not let your other muscles get weak e.g shoulders.

Mon and Fri should be based around big exercises listed. But weds gives you some time to do something different, you could instead do clean & press, clean and jerk, deadlifts even. Or curls or whatever. Just DO NOT KNOCK YOURSELF OUT.

If you wanted to focus on deadlifts seriously, do them instead of squats on mon/fri and on weds, do squats but not too hard.

Also, you can do breather squats on the mon/fri instead of normal ones.

You do NOT need to cycle muscle angles every time you train. You can do the routine I described for a YEAR without changing angles. I am not suggesting that you do that, but you can.

Take fish oil.
Drink a lot of milk. 3 litres a day. Slowly, throughout the day. If you can’t drink milk then find something else, or take lactaid or something.

I cannot recommend highly enough this book

I recommend it to anyone who has questions because it has all the basic answers that everyone should know. I know no other book that has as much good info in it as that one as a base of knowledge, and I have most everything over the past 100 years. When a better book comes along I will recommend that.

dmitry you seem to have picked up quite a few misconceptions along the way, so go educate yourself.

3 litres of milk? You’re gonna turn into a tank with the amount of lactose you’re intaking!

[quote]dmitry wrote:
3 litres of milk? You’re gonna turn into a tank with the amount of lactose you’re intaking!
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yep, a tank. but a very lean mean tank.

if you think 3 litres of milk is a lot then you got a lot to learn.

squats and milk is a standard program been used by thousands of people for decades. 20 rep squats and 3-4 litres of milk per day.

here’s the best link I could find
www.bulkingup.moonfruit.com/20repsquats/4513061285

Do a google yourself
http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&q=squats+and+milk&btnG=Google+Search&meta=

If you can’t handle lactose then you gotta do something else.

But you are missing my point. What you described in your first post suggests to me that you are not eating enough calories. Apart from everything else. If you think 3L of milk is a lot then you need to forget what you think you know and learn something new.

good luck!

This is a good link to a squat n milk program

It is also mentioned here

Magarhe has given some good advice, but I would eat 6g of fish oil PER MEAL, not per day. I currently am following some coaches reccomendations of 30g fish oil per day.

[quote]Magarhe wrote:
dmitry wrote:

squats and milk is a standard program been used by thousands of people for decades. 20 rep squats and 3-4 litres of milk per day.
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Man the milk squats thing… again…

Well I prefer the cheese and curls program…

Or the Ice cream dead lift program…

Or the eggs and snatch program or is it the snatch the eggs program… man I forget

cheese and curls XD