What I've Picked Up Along The Way

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[quote]wannabebig250 wrote:

[quote]Mr. Walkway wrote:

[quote]wannabebig250 wrote:
any advice for late night carb cravings? pretty sure i can eat like 4 cups of rice every night before bed. possible hormone imbalance?

probably a question that doesnt belong in a “bodybuilding” forum, but any advice for a quick meal on the road? subway, quizno, cheeseburger, chicken burger, etc.[/quote]

are you serious? I dont mean to come off as a prick, but you are a grown ass man… have some restraint.

as for your question, pack your own meals… seriously… was this post meant to be a joke?[/quote]

LOL. as a non-bodybuilder who has no intentions of competing, ever, and doesnt pack every, single, meal, looking for healthy options was a viable question.[/quote]

why then, did you ask about late night carb cravings?

and when did i say anything about packing “every, single, meal”?

sounds like you are someone who enjoys their tasty treats. i say go for it bud, whatever brings you happiness is what you should be pursuing

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One thing I’m always confused about when people say no post workout carbs is what do people do for nutrition after training? Like when is the next meal, would it have carbs, etc. I’m talking in general, not necessarily my specific case below.

Then I also wanted to ask if someone who lifted first thing in the morning would want to change anything about peri-workout nutrition? Currently, I have just the pre-workout shake of carbs and protein then have a meal of chicken and rice about 30 mins after lifting. Since you and everyone else it seems talks about carb timing, I was going to switch to what you recommended above. So it would look like this:

Wake up, 80 g carbs (dextrose/malto mix) with 25 g whey
Walk to gym, lift, drink 50 g carbs (dextrose/malto mix) with 25 g whey
Finish lifting, shower, drink 50 g whey shake (??)
Next meal is 3 to 5 hours later (after classes)

Basically, im not sure what to do for after training. I do enjoy my big meal of rice, chicken, and hot sauce, but I enjoy progress more and will drop it in a heart beat if it would help. Advice?

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Good thread, Been doing more and more Meadows stuff recently myself and just Sub’d to his site last night.

I take it you like the guys ideas :wink:

Here are a few questions for you if you have the time…

1 - On the back hyper extensions, once I get past rep 20+ it burns so badly in my HAMSTRINGS that I have to quit the set, and I dont really feel it in my lower back much at all. I have tried adjusting my feet position, width, “thinking” about my lower back during the lift, trying to only lift with my lower back, etc… But it just seems to burn my hammies and not my low back. Any ideas on other movements or any tips on this one?

2 - For back again, since he typically frowns on drop sets/super sets/etc since he feels the arms give out, what does he do for intensity techniques, if anything? Just more volume? For legs you can typically find something like drop sets, partials, etc… but for back I almost always see “3 sets of 8” or something similar.

These may be answered somewhere on his site, but again I just sub’d yesterday and havent had a chance to work my way through it. I can always send him these Q’s by email and see what he says if you think thats the way to go, but I figured the Nation might benefit from the answers.

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[quote]fisch wrote:

Then I also wanted to ask if someone who lifted first thing in the morning would want to change anything about peri-workout nutrition? Currently, I have just the pre-workout shake of carbs and protein then have a meal of chicken and rice about 30 mins after lifting. Since you and everyone else it seems talks about carb timing, I was going to switch to what you recommended above. So it would look like this:

Wake up, 80 g carbs (dextrose/malto mix) with 25 g whey
Walk to gym, lift, drink 50 g carbs (dextrose/malto mix) with 25 g whey
Finish lifting, shower, drink 50 g whey shake (??)
Next meal is 3 to 5 hours later (after classes)

Basically, im not sure what to do for after training. I do enjoy my big meal of rice, chicken, and hot sauce, but I enjoy progress more and will drop it in a heart beat if it would help. Advice? [/quote]

it depends on how quickly you work out after you wake up…

i prefer a whole food meal about 75 or so minutes prior to training, 45 protein from chicken, 50-70g carbs (white rice) and 10g healthy fats (coconut oil would be ideal for its MCT content)

however, if you work out within half an hour of training (which isn’t ideal IMO), then very simple carbs and whey (i would consume 40g of whey, not 25g) would be preferrable.

you should get a fast-acting protein source during your workout, either EAA’s or a whey hydrosylate, and dextrose is superior to malto, though i don’t like dextrose (i hate sugar with a passion)

and for your post workout shake, 30g or so of whey isolate would be sufficient.

you must forgo what you enjoy if it interferes with your goals

try this

meal 1 (assuming ~30 minutes before training) 50g dextrose + 40g whey isolate + 4.5g added leucine

peri-workout (depends on how long you train for) 30g dextrose (for shorter workouts, 50g for longer) + 20g whey/casein/beef hydrosylate (any of those is fine) + 4.5g added leucine

20 minutes post workout - 30g whey isolate

as for carbs after that? i wouldnt have any… but that’s just my personal opinion. Carbs are meant to fuel your workouts

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[quote]Lonnie123 wrote:
Good thread, Been doing more and more Meadows stuff recently myself and just Sub’d to his site last night.

I take it you like the guys ideas :wink:

Here are a few questions for you if you have the time…

1 - On the back hyper extensions, once I get past rep 20+ it burns so badly in my HAMSTRINGS that I have to quit the set, and I dont really feel it in my lower back much at all. I have tried adjusting my feet position, width, “thinking” about my lower back during the lift, trying to only lift with my lower back, etc… But it just seems to burn my hammies and not my low back. Any ideas on other movements or any tips on this one?

2 - For back again, since he typically frowns on drop sets/super sets/etc since he feels the arms give out, what does he do for intensity techniques, if anything? Just more volume? For legs you can typically find something like drop sets, partials, etc… but for back I almost always see “3 sets of 8” or something similar.

These may be answered somewhere on his site, but again I just sub’d yesterday and havent had a chance to work my way through it. I can always send him these Q’s by email and see what he says if you think thats the way to go, but I figured the Nation might benefit from the answers.[/quote]

about the hyperextensions, try to keep your legs bent. Ive found that by having my knees “locked”, as it were, tends to activate my hamstrings.

I also do banded Good Mornings, these will definitely hit both your lower back and your hamstrings… but at least you are getting your lower back hit…and they are FAR safer than barbell good mornings (which i would never do personally)

intensity techniques for back? Well, your arms aren’t a limiting factor when it comes to shrugs, deadlifts, and rack pulls, I vary my grip width for deadlifts (E.G. Snatch grip) and rack pulls, and adjust the height of the bar for rack pulls. you can certainly do drop sets on deadlifts and rack pulls (but watch your form closely) i perform my top work set, then have my partner slide my chains off, then continue with the set. You can certainly go to failure on shrugs as well, and incorporate chains/superset with deadlift variations etc…

and for rows, i incorporate my chains (i have 130lbs worth from elitefts) for accomodating resistnace. I would recommend everyone buy some chains, they are a VERY valuable tool… and it’s not like they are going to break.

http://www.flexcart.com/members/elitefts/default.asp?cid=194

that looks pretty intense… doesnt it?

also, consider supersetting a back lift that doesnt involve your arms, with one that does…

E.G. pulldowns with rack pulls.

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[quote]Mr. Walkway wrote:

[quote]fisch wrote:

Then I also wanted to ask if someone who lifted first thing in the morning would want to change anything about peri-workout nutrition? Currently, I have just the pre-workout shake of carbs and protein then have a meal of chicken and rice about 30 mins after lifting. Since you and everyone else it seems talks about carb timing, I was going to switch to what you recommended above. So it would look like this:

Wake up, 80 g carbs (dextrose/malto mix) with 25 g whey
Walk to gym, lift, drink 50 g carbs (dextrose/malto mix) with 25 g whey
Finish lifting, shower, drink 50 g whey shake (??)
Next meal is 3 to 5 hours later (after classes)

Basically, im not sure what to do for after training. I do enjoy my big meal of rice, chicken, and hot sauce, but I enjoy progress more and will drop it in a heart beat if it would help. Advice? [/quote]

it depends on how quickly you work out after you wake up…

i prefer a whole food meal about 75 or so minutes prior to training, 45 protein from chicken, 50-70g carbs (white rice) and 10g healthy fats (coconut oil would be ideal for its MCT content)

however, if you work out within half an hour of training (which isn’t ideal IMO), then very simple carbs and whey (i would consume 40g of whey, not 25g) would be preferrable.

you should get a fast-acting protein source during your workout, either EAA’s or a whey hydrosylate, and dextrose is superior to malto, though i don’t like dextrose (i hate sugar with a passion)

and for your post workout shake, 30g or so of whey isolate would be sufficient.

you must forgo what you enjoy if it interferes with your goals

try this

meal 1 (assuming ~30 minutes before training) 50g dextrose + 40g whey isolate + 4.5g added leucine

peri-workout (depends on how long you train for) 30g dextrose (for shorter workouts, 50g for longer) + 20g whey/casein/beef hydrosylate (any of those is fine) + 4.5g added leucine

20 minutes post workout - 30g whey isolate

as for carbs after that? i wouldnt have any… but that’s just my personal opinion. Carbs are meant to fuel your workouts[/quote]

Thanks, I appreciate the response. I do usually start lifting 50-60 minutes after waking so I’ll try this out. You said you don’t like dextrose, what would you use instead? Dextrose, maltodextrin and waxy maize are the only 3 common carb powders I’m familiar with.

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[quote]fisch wrote:

[quote]Mr. Walkway wrote:

[quote]fisch wrote:

Then I also wanted to ask if someone who lifted first thing in the morning would want to change anything about peri-workout nutrition? Currently, I have just the pre-workout shake of carbs and protein then have a meal of chicken and rice about 30 mins after lifting. Since you and everyone else it seems talks about carb timing, I was going to switch to what you recommended above. So it would look like this:

Wake up, 80 g carbs (dextrose/malto mix) with 25 g whey
Walk to gym, lift, drink 50 g carbs (dextrose/malto mix) with 25 g whey
Finish lifting, shower, drink 50 g whey shake (??)
Next meal is 3 to 5 hours later (after classes)

Basically, im not sure what to do for after training. I do enjoy my big meal of rice, chicken, and hot sauce, but I enjoy progress more and will drop it in a heart beat if it would help. Advice? [/quote]

it depends on how quickly you work out after you wake up…

i prefer a whole food meal about 75 or so minutes prior to training, 45 protein from chicken, 50-70g carbs (white rice) and 10g healthy fats (coconut oil would be ideal for its MCT content)

however, if you work out within half an hour of training (which isn’t ideal IMO), then very simple carbs and whey (i would consume 40g of whey, not 25g) would be preferrable.

you should get a fast-acting protein source during your workout, either EAA’s or a whey hydrosylate, and dextrose is superior to malto, though i don’t like dextrose (i hate sugar with a passion)

and for your post workout shake, 30g or so of whey isolate would be sufficient.

you must forgo what you enjoy if it interferes with your goals

try this

meal 1 (assuming ~30 minutes before training) 50g dextrose + 40g whey isolate + 4.5g added leucine

peri-workout (depends on how long you train for) 30g dextrose (for shorter workouts, 50g for longer) + 20g whey/casein/beef hydrosylate (any of those is fine) + 4.5g added leucine

20 minutes post workout - 30g whey isolate

as for carbs after that? i wouldnt have any… but that’s just my personal opinion. Carbs are meant to fuel your workouts[/quote]

Thanks, I appreciate the response. I do usually start lifting 50-60 minutes after waking so I’ll try this out. You said you don’t like dextrose, what would you use instead? Dextrose, maltodextrin and waxy maize are the only 3 common carb powders I’m familiar with.[/quote]

i would strongly advise waiting a tiny bit longer, and having a whole food meal - chicken/white rice/coconut oil (white rice is a simple carb yes, but the protein and fats will slow the digestion and resulting BG impact)

i would use branch-chain cyclic dextrins as found in anaconda, or something similar. There are MANY superior carb sources to dextrose and maltodextrin.

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what percent of your daily carbs do you get peri workout Mr.walkway?

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Thanks for that. I’ll try the knees-bent style and the banded hypers next time I hit back and tell you how it goes.

For the intensity techniques, I was more wondering what he actually programs it since it seems like you are working with him. None of the written layouts I’ve seen from him, or the logs from people he trains, have any kind of super setting or drop setting for back from what I have found so far.

Obviously if this is confidential information or info you don’t feel should be shared since its part of his paid programming I will understand that. Or I can look up a workout on his Express site if you are familiar with one he has posted.

Also, I’m so glad that the “You do NOT need to get fat” message is FINALLY sinking in. I was preaching about that 4-5 years ago and nearly got ran out of town because I was “limiting people progress” by encouraging a smaller food intake. Preach on brother.

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[quote]Lonnie123 wrote:
Thanks for that. I’ll try the knees-bent style and the banded hypers next time I hit back and tell you how it goes.

For the intensity techniques, I was more wondering what he actually programs it since it seems like you are working with him. None of the written layouts I’ve seen from him, or the logs from people he trains, have any kind of super setting or drop setting for back from what I have found so far.

Obviously if this is confidential information or info you don’t feel should be shared since its part of his paid programming I will understand that. Or I can look up a workout on his Express site if you are familiar with one he has posted.

Also, I’m so glad that the “You do NOT need to get fat” message is FINALLY sinking in. I was preaching about that 4-5 years ago and nearly got ran out of town because I was “limiting people progress” by encouraging a smaller food intake. Preach on brother.[/quote]

I don’t work with JM (yet). He has had clients superset meadows rows with 1 arm barbell rows, suitcase rows with t-bar rows etc… there are videos of both he and his clients doing this, so im not actually sure where your belief that he is against supersetting for back comes from?

either way, i have, and would advise you to look over the workouts on his site. They are very well thought-out

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[quote]Mr. Walkway wrote:
i would strongly advise waiting a tiny bit longer, and having a whole food meal - chicken/white rice/coconut oil (white rice is a simple carb yes, but the protein and fats will slow the digestion and resulting BG impact)

i would use branch-chain cyclic dextrins as found in anaconda, or something similar. There are MANY superior carb sources to dextrose and maltodextrin. [/quote]

So wake up,
75 mins pre-workout: chicken/rice/oil meal
30 mins pre: 50g carbs, 40 g whey
during: 30-50g carbs, 20g whey
20 mins after: 30g whey

Or would any of the shakes change due to the chicken/rice/oil meal? Like would you reduce the carbs or protein in the pre WO shake since your already getting some from the chicken/rice?

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Regarding the “Dont get fat” issue, this was up on the EliteFTS Q&A from Shelby a few days ago:

[quote]Shelby,

Question: Can you shed some light on how you track your progress in the off-season? Visible changes seem too unreliable considering how slowly muscle gains take place, and with your constantly changing workouts it also seems like keeping track of personal strength records would be tough. Wondering how exactly you make sure you’re on the right track?

Shelby: Muscle gains are definitely slow for the advanced lifter. All that I personally do is make sure I nail everything as well as I can (diet, training, supplementation, recovery) and let consistency and time take care of the rest. It definitely takes patience.[/quote]

I think that is such a good answer, and after a while its really ALL you can do. Notice he didn’t say “make sure you are packing on fat to ensure proper calorie intake.”

If you are training hard, eating right, and recovering well… You will progress.

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[quote]Mr. Walkway wrote:

I don’t work with JM (yet). He has had clients superset meadows rows with 1 arm barbell rows, suitcase rows with t-bar rows etc… there are videos of both he and his clients doing this, so im not actually sure where your belief that he is against supersetting for back comes from?

either way, i have, and would advise you to look over the workouts on his site. They are very well thought-out[/quote]

Ah… Now that you mention those I remember seeing them. You are absolutely right. I believe the location I was getting those ideas from was “my ass.”

Thanks again.

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[quote]fisch wrote:

[quote]Mr. Walkway wrote:
i would strongly advise waiting a tiny bit longer, and having a whole food meal - chicken/white rice/coconut oil (white rice is a simple carb yes, but the protein and fats will slow the digestion and resulting BG impact)

i would use branch-chain cyclic dextrins as found in anaconda, or something similar. There are MANY superior carb sources to dextrose and maltodextrin. [/quote]

So wake up,
75 mins pre-workout: chicken/rice/oil meal
during: 30-50g carbs, 20g whey hydrosylate + 4.5g leucine
20 mins after: 30g whey +4.5 leucine

Or would any of the shakes change due to the chicken/rice/oil meal? Like would you reduce the carbs or protein in the pre WO shake since your already getting some from the chicken/rice?
[/quote]

there ya go, i suppose dextrose would be fine for your peri-workout, especially if cost is an issue.

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[quote]Mr. Walkway wrote:

[quote]wannabebig250 wrote:

[quote]Mr. Walkway wrote:

[quote]wannabebig250 wrote:
any advice for late night carb cravings? pretty sure i can eat like 4 cups of rice every night before bed. possible hormone imbalance?

probably a question that doesnt belong in a “bodybuilding” forum, but any advice for a quick meal on the road? subway, quizno, cheeseburger, chicken burger, etc.[/quote]

are you serious? I dont mean to come off as a prick, but you are a grown ass man… have some restraint.

as for your question, pack your own meals… seriously… was this post meant to be a joke?[/quote]

LOL. as a non-bodybuilder who has no intentions of competing, ever, and doesnt pack every, single, meal, looking for healthy options was a viable question.[/quote]

why then, did you ask about late night carb cravings?

and when did i say anything about packing “every, single, meal”?

sounds like you are someone who enjoys their tasty treats. i say go for it bud, whatever brings you happiness is what you should be pursuing[/quote]

i asked about late night carb cravings because maybe you had a trick. chew gum, eat an apple, move some carbs from one meal to my last meal of the day, i dont know. i dont actually eat 4 cups of rice before bed, i usually just settle for a protein shake and some almonds or something.

you didnt say anything about packing every single meal. my question was what is a healthy meal on the road if you didnt have time to prep food that day. Clay Hyght has had a post before about a healthy meal from subway. rob riches has done entire videos on viable food options on the road. i was curious if you had a preference, thats all.

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Good stuff on the training.

Your views on diet are, as I think JM’s are, probably overly restrictive and would only give very marginal benefits to the average, healthy adult. If there’s some further evidence backing up the ideas, then I’d love to see them because I just haven’t yet. Bear in mind that JM has had serious digestive tract issues that influence his diet choices. People like Stu have approached diet in a much less restrictive manner and had as good, if not better, results, and others like Layne Norton are critical of the ‘clean foods’ mantra. I think JM is fantastic when it comes to training, but the guy’s not an expert on diet so I guess I’m wondering if there’s a reason to buy into his viewpoint over someone like Norton, who has actual expertise.

[quote]Mr. Walkway wrote:

[quote]wannabebig250 wrote:
any advice for late night carb cravings? pretty sure i can eat like 4 cups of rice every night before bed. possible hormone imbalance?

probably a question that doesnt belong in a “bodybuilding” forum, but any advice for a quick meal on the road? subway, quizno, cheeseburger, chicken burger, etc.[/quote]

are you serious? I dont mean to come off as a prick, but you are a grown ass man… have some restraint.

as for your question, pack your own meals… seriously… was this post meant to be a joke?[/quote]

Don’t really care at all for the holier-than-thou treatment of questions regarding eating out and whatnot from wannabebig250. Packing one’s own meals isn’t always an option for a variety of reasons–e.g., having a meal with a client or supervisor, or working a schedule that is highly unpredictable (e.g. having to stay an extra 8 hours than planned). That’s reality for some of us. And some people get carb cravings at night…I don’t see why doing one 13-week cut with peds allows you to be a jerk to the guy about it instead of trying for some constructive advice.

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This whole carbless post-workout thing is very interesting. I was talking with BBB and he firmly believes in it and because of that, I will take his advice and try it out over the next few weeks and gauge my progress/fat loss… definitely have some fat to lose. How’s this look for a typical John Meadows-type workout?

Meal 1: 4 whole XL eggs, spinach, cooked w/ coconut oil, 1/2 cup oats w/ 1 scoop of Metabolic Drive, 1/2 cup blueberries [carb count: 37g]

60 mins pre-workout: MAG-10 pulse, 1 Finibar [carb count: 50g]

During workout: 2-3 scoops Plazma depending on workout [carb count: 76-113g]

60 mins post-workout: MAG-10 pulse [carb count: 11g]

Total carbs pre/peri-workout and for the day: 211g carbs (Right now I am about 225 lbs)

Rest of my meals: protein + fat [grass-fed meats, leaner cuts of turkey/chicken, avocado/nuts/olive oil, unlimited veggies]

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And there’s also this from that Bill Willis / John Meadows article here on T-Nation:

Pre-workout (30-60 minutes out)

Carb source: Optional, but if you plan to train hard, you should include carbs.

Peri-workout: (during the workout)

Carb source: Optional

35-50g of high glycemic carbs, sipped throughout the workout.

The insulin response from carbs may synergistically amplify protein synthesis in the presence of amino acids. Insulin is also a powerful inhibitor of protein degradation.

For pre-contest trainees or those who are less insulin sensitive, there’s a fat-burning advantage to keeping insulin low, so some people may want to omit carbs here. For offseason lifters or true hardgainers, the insulin response can be very helpful.

Post-workout (up to 60 minutes after training)

Carb source: Optional but highly advisable unless you are in a drastic fat reduction mode.

Again, this is very dependent on the individual, their goals, and phase of training.

Use 25-75g of medium-to low GI carbs. Off-season lifters or hard-gainers may want to have 50-100g of a mixture of medium to high GI carbs.

True hard-gainers can really benefit from the protein degradation inhibiting effects of insulin here. The big spike in insulin from the high GI carbs and more sustained elevation from medium GI carbs may also keep the protein synthesis throttle open longer.

If you’re pre-contest or for less insulin-sensitive people, occasionally omit carbs altogether during this meal, but don’t make it a rule.

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[quote]PB Andy wrote:
This whole carbless post-workout thing is very interesting. I was talking with BBB and he firmly believes in it and because of that, I will take his advice and try it out over the next few weeks and gauge my progress/fat loss… definitely have some fat to lose. How’s this look for a typical John Meadows-type workout?

Meal 1: 4 whole XL eggs, spinach, cooked w/ coconut oil, 1/2 cup oats w/ 1 scoop of Metabolic Drive, 1/2 cup blueberries [carb count: 37g]

60 mins pre-workout: MAG-10 pulse, 1 Finibar [carb count: 50g]

During workout: 2-3 scoops Plazma depending on workout [carb count: 76-113g]

60 mins post-workout: MAG-10 pulse [carb count: 11g]

Total carbs pre/peri-workout and for the day: 211g carbs (Right now I am about 225 lbs)

Rest of my meals: protein + fat [grass-fed meats, leaner cuts of turkey/chicken, avocado/nuts/olive oil, unlimited veggies]

[/quote]

that amount of carbs looks good for a back day or a leg day. consider adjusting them for smaller bodyparts

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[quote]The3Commandments wrote:
Good stuff on the training.

Your views on diet are, as I think JM’s are, probably overly restrictive and would only give very marginal benefits to the average, healthy adult. If there’s some further evidence backing up the ideas, then I’d love to see them because I just haven’t yet. Bear in mind that JM has had serious digestive tract issues that influence his diet choices. People like Stu have approached diet in a much less restrictive manner and had as good, if not better, results, and others like Layne Norton are critical of the ‘clean foods’ mantra. I think JM is fantastic when it comes to training, but the guy’s not an expert on diet so I guess I’m wondering if there’s a reason to buy into his viewpoint over someone like Norton, who has actual expertise. [/quote]

The idea is to not only feed the body, but feed it optimally, taking into account the health/hormone-related implications of the foods we eat, E.G. processed polyunsaturated fats etc…(also optimizing our digestive systems to maximize nutrient uptake)

a calorie is not a calorie in other words… bodybuilding is about optimizing our body composition, and this is best achieved through eating in the most healthy, easily digested, nutrient-dense way possible.

[quote]The3Commandments wrote:

[quote]Mr. Walkway wrote:

[quote]wannabebig250 wrote:
any advice for late night carb cravings? pretty sure i can eat like 4 cups of rice every night before bed. possible hormone imbalance?

probably a question that doesnt belong in a “bodybuilding” forum, but any advice for a quick meal on the road? subway, quizno, cheeseburger, chicken burger, etc. [/quote]

are you serious? I dont mean to come off as a prick, but you are a grown ass man… have some restraint.

as for your question, pack your own meals… seriously… was this post meant to be a joke?[/quote]

Don’t really care at all for the holier-than-thou treatment of questions regarding eating out and whatnot from wannabebig250. Packing one’s own meals isn’t always an option for a variety of reasons–e.g., having a meal with a client or supervisor, or working a schedule that is highly unpredictable (e.g. having to stay an extra 8 hours than planned). That’s reality for some of us. And some people get carb cravings at night…I don’t see why doing one 13-week cut with peds allows you to be a jerk to the guy about it instead of trying for some constructive advice.[/quote]

Im sorry that my post offended you, his question revolved around being “on the road”, not -

“having a meal with a client or supervisor, or working a schedule that is highly unpredictable (e.g. having to stay an extra 8 hours than planned).”

had he asked a question like about those things, i would have given a fitting answer…

Im not sure why you and he have conjured up these hypothetical answers that i’ve never actually given (E.G. “packing every single meal” and “packing meals to be had with clients and supervisors”)… I never said these things…

i also never said that my “13 week cut with PED’s permits me to be a prick/jerk/whatever”

please respond accordingly to the words i am actually writing, I am confident you will be far less offended this way.

For what it’s worth, i prefaced my response with “i dont mean to come off as a prick”…

one last thing…responses like yours will draw nothing but cynicism from myself, and any other person with their head screwed on straight…

i would take that final part into consideration, as it will assist you in interpersonal relations in your day-to-day life.