[quote]gregron wrote:
[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
Then show me a guy who added 100 lbs of lean mass (all nattywithout a growth spurt) who chooses not to compete and I’ll tell you he’s a liar.
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lol[/quote]
Hahaha
[quote]Maiden3.16 wrote:
[quote]gregron wrote:
[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
Then show me a guy who added 100 lbs of lean mass (all nattywithout a growth spurt) who chooses not to compete and I’ll tell you he’s a liar.
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lol[/quote]
Hahaha[/quote]
x 3
[quote]waylanderxx wrote:
A number of people leave this website because there is NOTHING here for NPC competitors or anyone interested in the enhanced route. The steroid forum is a barely worth noting now, and the perma bulk attitude of this forum is just filled with fail, but whenever an alternative to that is suggested it gets attacked.
People serious about competing will never stick around here unless they’ve already been here for years and “grew up” here/like a good number of the posters. The articles/attitude of T-Nation does not help this either. If you don’t like the term “recreational” sorry, but that’s the main audience/demographic of this forum nowadays.[/quote]
Way. do you have a pic of yourself or any internet pics that show about where you would think someone should end a bulk (BF wise) and start to clean up and tighten up for a bit? Jw wondering where you cut things off?
Also if i remeber correctly you dont get PMs or cant reply?
I consider someone who competes in bodybuilding a bodybuilder. Dieting down to sub 10% bodyfat is a major part of bodybuilding so if you haven’t done that then you’re not a bodybuilder. I agree with Waylander that a bodybuilding is about size AND leanness. I understand bulking up to get that size I’ve never seen a bodybuilder win a contest at 15% bodyfat.
Bodybuilding - Using various diet, training, supplements etc to build bigger muscles primarily for aesthetic purposes.
Competitive Bodybuilder - One who competes in bodybuilding competitions.
Professional Bodybuilder - One who competes in pro competitions.
Recreational Bodybuilder - One who engages in bodybuilding with no intention of competing or no longer competes or has yet to compete.
I generally use the word competitive to distinguish what I’m talking about.
To a lesser extent the same sort of thing happens with powerlifting. I’ve had conversations with guys at the gym where they say, yeah, I did powerlifting for a long time. Then I’ll ask, “cool, what was your best total?” To which, most of the time, I will get confused looks or some weird side stepping. When what they really meant can range from having done a “powerlifting routine” to “I used to lift heavy” or “I used to do stuff like deadlift”.
Bodybuilding has a much larger problem, because the term has real and better known definition outside the sport. It’s all about context. If a skinny-fat new years resolution guy in the gym refers to me as a bodybuilder, I’ll generally let it go. Where if one of the more impressive, possibly competes, guys asks, I’ll tell them no, I’m not a bodybuilder.
For the general populous, it’s pointless to try to take the time to explain these sorts of distinctions, who cares what they think anyway? For more genuinely knowledgeable guys, most already know. As long as you aren’t purposefully misleading, who cares?
Words can have multiple meanings. As long as it’s clear within context what is meant, there is no right or wrong definition.
[quote]ground control wrote:
Bodybuilding - Using various diet, training, supplements etc to build bigger muscles primarily for aesthetic purposes.
Competitive Bodybuilder - One who competes in bodybuilding competitions.
Professional Bodybuilder - One who competes in pro competitions.
Recreational Bodybuilder - One who engages in bodybuilding with no intention of competing or no longer competes or has yet to compete.
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I like the basic distinction. What I think ruffles feathers here, is when someone who falls into the recreational category offers up advice from a position of authority to someone inquiring about matters pertinent to a competitive or professional bodybuilder.
(although personally, I couldn’t care less -lol)
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[quote]Quasi-Tech wrote:
I’m sincerely bothered that all of the guys posting articles look average and none of them look exceptional to the sport/science by which they are writing (save maybe a few).
That’s like going to see a dietician and its some 300lb fatty whose sitting there eating a box of Krispy Kremes. I can understand that folks can have knowledge and not be a shining example of what they know… but if this is your passion, your life, and what pays your damned bills, then why aren’t you the best advertisement for your business?
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man this is so true.
with the exception like you said of a few(john meadows, wendler, tate) the majority of people posting articles look very average, not impressive at all. I dont care if they can do a one arm pushup with a 300lb vest on, or a 700lb one leg split squat, they do not look impressive at all.
now these people will claim they are “performance” centered, not competitive bbers, I say so what.
a national level competitive thrower, weightlifter, strong-man, or powerlifter competitor (not world class, just regional or national level mind you) physiques are much more impressive than these guys, and being athletes, they are much more “performance” based than these so called experts.
[quote]sam_sneed wrote:
I consider someone who competes in bodybuilding a bodybuilder. Dieting down to sub 10% bodyfat is a major part of bodybuilding so if you haven’t done that then you’re not a bodybuilder. I agree with Waylander that a bodybuilding is about size AND leanness. I understand bulking up to get that size I’ve never seen a bodybuilder win a contest at 15% bodyfat.[/quote]
good post. lots of good posts here actually.
the dieting is such a big part of bbing, and IMHO has to be the hardest part, that if you do not participate in that aspect you really should not consider yourself a bber.
that does not mean you do not train hard, make progress, look impressive (like steely, PX, ect.) but sorry, you are not a bodybuilder.
Over the years I have know lots of strength athletes that got the vanity bug and decided to diet down and try a bodybuilding show.
many never made it, dropping out 1/2, 2/3 way through because the dieting was too tough, others, managed to make it to the stage, but missed on their conditioning and looked like shit and did very poorly, and others did pretty well, but NEVER did it again because they hated the dieting and conditioning.
these are 300lb monsters who were bad ass weight-lifters, throwers, and powerlifters, who were humbled by the deprivation and difficulty of micromanaging their diet almost on an hourly basis, these guys who I considered tough, described the dieting as the hardest, shitiest thing they have ever had to do.
more than one said they could never do it again because they became such an asshole while dieting their spouses could not stand them, lol
my two cents.
^^lol… Dieting down like that sounds awful.
Much respect to the guys here who have done it… It definitely is a science.
Why would any grown man care what some other grown man calls himself unless he was absolutely misrepresenting whatever he was claiming?
It is cool to see what others think THEMSELVES about what they call THEMSELVES.
It is strange to see others concerned about what someone else can call themselves.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Why would any grown man care what some other grown man calls himself unless he was absolutely misrepresenting whatever he was claiming?
It is cool to see what others think THEMSELVES about what they call THEMSELVES.
It is strange to see others concerned about what someone else can call themselves.
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Exactly.
YOU call yourself a dentist, but if I saw you in a gym, I’d probably think you were a bodybuilder. If I saw you in your office in whatever scrubs you wear, I’d think you were one big bad dentist but may not make a body-building connection as “dentist” and “bodybuilder” don’t usually seem to go together. Sometimes context matters too.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Why would any grown man care what some other grown man calls himself unless he was absolutely misrepresenting whatever he was claiming?
It is cool to see what others think THEMSELVES about what they call THEMSELVES.
It is strange to see others concerned about what someone else can call themselves.
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I don’t think anyone really cares what someone wants to call themselves. Just a little discussion on what is and isn’t a bodybuilder. Someone that hasn’t experienced the grueling process of dieting for a competetion and everything else that goes along with it is not a bodybuilder, plain and simple.
Someone calling themselves a bodybuilder when they haven’t done so IS misrepresenting themselves. When someone asks and actual bodybuilder how to diet down for a show or what tips they have on cometing, they should be able to have an answer based upon their experiences.
[quote]Maiden3.16 wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Why would any grown man care what some other grown man calls himself unless he was absolutely misrepresenting whatever he was claiming?
It is cool to see what others think THEMSELVES about what they call THEMSELVES.
It is strange to see others concerned about what someone else can call themselves.
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I don’t think anyone really cares what someone wants to call themselves. Just a little discussion on what is and isn’t a bodybuilder. Someone that hasn’t experienced the grueling process of dieting for a competetion and everything else that goes along with it is not a bodybuilder, plain and simple.
Someone calling themselves a bodybuilder when they haven’t done so IS misrepresenting themselves. When someone asks and actual bodybuilder how to diet down for a show or what tips they have on cometing, they should be able to have an answer based upon their experiences.[/quote]
^^This.
Body “building” is gaining muscle. Losing fat isn’t building, just revealing what has been built. So why can’t someone who builds muscle be a bodybuilder?
[quote]gregron wrote:
[quote]Maiden3.16 wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Why would any grown man care what some other grown man calls himself unless he was absolutely misrepresenting whatever he was claiming?
It is cool to see what others think THEMSELVES about what they call THEMSELVES.
It is strange to see others concerned about what someone else can call themselves.
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I don’t think anyone really cares what someone wants to call themselves. Just a little discussion on what is and isn’t a bodybuilder. Someone that hasn’t experienced the grueling process of dieting for a competetion and everything else that goes along with it is not a bodybuilder, plain and simple.
Someone calling themselves a bodybuilder when they haven’t done so IS misrepresenting themselves. When someone asks and actual bodybuilder how to diet down for a show or what tips they have on cometing, they should be able to have an answer based upon their experiences.[/quote]
^^This.[/quote]
That and PX is still bullshitting there have been many threads where his response to those looking to look athletic, lean, etc. was something along the lines of “this is the bodybuilding forum, the goal is to put on a shit load of muscle”.
[quote]MytchBucanan wrote:
Body “building” is gaining muscle. Losing fat isn’t building, just revealing what has been built. So why can’t someone who builds muscle be a bodybuilder?[/quote]
Bodybuilding is the act of creating a better body/physique. Gaining/Holding excess fat is not creating a better body/physique.
[quote]Maiden3.16 wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Why would any grown man care what some other grown man calls himself unless he was absolutely misrepresenting whatever he was claiming?
It is cool to see what others think THEMSELVES about what they call THEMSELVES.
It is strange to see others concerned about what someone else can call themselves.
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I don’t think anyone really cares what someone wants to call themselves. Just a little discussion on what is and isn’t a bodybuilder. Someone that hasn’t experienced the grueling process of dieting for a competetion and everything else that goes along with it is not a bodybuilder, plain and simple.
Someone calling themselves a bodybuilder when they haven’t done so IS misrepresenting themselves. When someone asks and actual bodybuilder how to diet down for a show or what tips they have on cometing, they should be able to have an answer based upon their experiences.[/quote]
It isn’t a little discussion when names get called out and it gets personal.
The average person would call someone who looks like a bodybuilder a bodybuilder. The average person wouldn’t look at a huge guy with muscles bigger than 98% of the population with anywhere from average to below average body fat and avoid calling him that at all costs.
It just makes no sense to concern yourself with what someone else calls themselves…unless it is done so to either make yourself feel better for some reason. I could see if someone who literally did not look the part at all claimed as such…but to be concerned about whether they competed?
That wouldn’t even come up unless in a conversation with someone or they were already well known unless they were literally standing on a stage at the moment.
Most of the rest of the world would be concerned with what was built.
[quote]gregron wrote:
[quote]MytchBucanan wrote:
Body “building” is gaining muscle. Losing fat isn’t building, just revealing what has been built. So why can’t someone who builds muscle be a bodybuilder?[/quote]
Bodybuilding is the act of creating a better body/physique. Gaining/Holding excess fat is not creating a better body/physique.[/quote]
I agree but where in my post did I write about putting on fat? I said building muscle. Obviously the competing/dieting bodybuilders deserve the most respect, but let’s think about what the word “building” means. When you build a brick wall, you add to it, do you not?
[quote]MytchBucanan wrote:
[quote]gregron wrote:
[quote]MytchBucanan wrote:
Body “building” is gaining muscle. Losing fat isn’t building, just revealing what has been built. So why can’t someone who builds muscle be a bodybuilder?[/quote]
Bodybuilding is the act of creating a better body/physique. Gaining/Holding excess fat is not creating a better body/physique.[/quote]
I agree but where in my post did I write about putting on fat? I said building muscle. Obviously the competing/dieting bodybuilders deserve the most respect, but let’s think about what the word “building” means. When you build a brick wall, you add to it, do you not?[/quote]
you didnt say anything about putting on fat but you did dismiss the fat loss aspect of bodybuilding with your first post.
Bodybuilding is a combination of building muscle and losing fat. You cant have one without the other (kinda like love and marriage)
EDIT: but by your definition, anyone who is building muscle is a bodybuilder. That would mean every 155lb guy in the gym hitting up some curls is a “bodybuilder” because he’s in the gym building muscle (albeit a tiny amount)