I was going to qualify the question, but I’ll leave it wide open.
Go.
[quote]SteelyD wrote:
I was going to qualify the question, but I’ll leave it wide open.
Go.[/quote]
this is a great question. I think most who find this place and start posting have little to no idea about the sport of bodybuilding what so ever. Hell that was me, i found this website when i was 18 and had never picked up a weight before. when i starting reading articles here, there was definitely an anti bodybuilding (as in the competitive sport) sentiment in the many of the articles i read. Over time that seemed to break down as there were many videos posted with national level and even pros (daryl Gee) training with CT. As far as the forums, When stu started competing, it seemed to inspire a fair share of posters to get a competitive itch (Ebomb, Thoughts, etc). However, it seems to me that lately Shugart and CT are promoting more “Performance” based training, which they seem to feel is the best approach even for bodybuilders (even though NO bodybuilders) besides Synergy 93 trains that way. CT had a mini article lately where he described a “dark time” in his career as a coach where he wrote bodybuilding type programs. so what does that make bodybuilding t nation? In terms of the authors (EXCEPTION+JOHN MEADOWS) T nation has seemed to find its Niche as the “Hipster” webmag of the bodybuilding community. They support bodybuilders, but advocate a style of training which is almost never seen in the bodybuilding circles. As far as posters, we dont have too many of those who compete, but the ones that do certiantly do give out a lot of great advice on a regular basis (Stu, Waylander, Ebomb, Thoughts, etc). Thats my take, hopefully it doesn’t cause some sort of shit storm.
No shit storm till Professor X comes in. However, look at someone like Steely who started off losing a lot of weight, getting into lifting and focusing in on getting as strong as possible. He bulked up pretty good, maybe looked a little softer than some on here would like. However if you take a look at his current pic, the time he’s spent lifting has resulted in him looking even bigger as his body seems to have recomped at his higher weight. Awesome story and an example of what most people would think about body building - getting huge.
I suppose to me, bodybuilding on T-Nation is using the information here (nutritional, training and member experiences) to determine how best to shape your body towards your goals.
[quote]ds1973 wrote:
No shit storm till Professor X comes in. However, look at someone like Steely who started off losing a lot of weight, getting into lifting and focusing in on getting as strong as possible. He bulked up pretty good, maybe looked a little softer than some on here would like. However if you take a look at his current pic, the time he’s spent lifting has resulted in him looking even bigger as his body seems to have recomped at his higher weight. Awesome story and an example of what most people would think about body building - getting huge.
I suppose to me, bodybuilding on T-Nation is using the information here (nutritional, training and member experiences) to determine how best to shape your body towards your goals.[/quote]
why even make that statement about x… seriously this is how you guys just keep enticing little bitch fights.
O its all fine till x gets here… and then x says something… LOOK GUYS I TOLD YOU X WOULD RUIN THIS SHIT
Christ i dont even see his posts around to often any more give it a rest.
little tense? Lost your sense of humor? It was a joke.
Was this thread made for the purpose of inciting endless, futile debates that will inevitably spiral into bullshit?
Cause thats what im sensing is going to happen if this gets going anywhere.
[quote]audiogarden1 wrote:
Was this thread made for the purpose of inciting endless, futile debates that will inevitably spiral into bullshit?
Cause thats what im sensing is going to happen if this gets going anywhere. [/quote]
Nope. Honest question.
Let’s not get personal.
[quote]ds1973 wrote:
little tense? Lost your sense of humor? It was a joke.[/quote]
my bad, it can be hard to read sarcasm without tone.
[quote]GrindOverMatter wrote:
[quote]SteelyD wrote:
I was going to qualify the question, but I’ll leave it wide open.
Go.[/quote]
this is a great question. I think most who find this place and start posting have little to no idea about the sport of bodybuilding what so ever. Hell that was me, i found this website when i was 18 and had never picked up a weight before. when i starting reading articles here, there was definitely an anti bodybuilding (as in the competitive sport) sentiment in the many of the articles i read. Over time that seemed to break down as there were many videos posted with national level and even pros (daryl Gee) training with CT. As far as the forums, When stu started competing, it seemed to inspire a fair share of posters to get a competitive itch (Ebomb, Thoughts, etc). However, it seems to me that lately Shugart and CT are promoting more “Performance” based training, which they seem to feel is the best approach even for bodybuilders (even though NO bodybuilders) besides Synergy 93 trains that way. CT had a mini article lately where he described a “dark time” in his career as a coach where he wrote bodybuilding type programs. so what does that make bodybuilding t nation? In terms of the authors (EXCEPTION+JOHN MEADOWS) T nation has seemed to find its Niche as the “Hipster” webmag of the bodybuilding community. They support bodybuilders, but advocate a style of training which is almost never seen in the bodybuilding circles. As far as posters, we dont have too many of those who compete, but the ones that do certiantly do give out a lot of great advice on a regular basis (Stu, Waylander, Ebomb, Thoughts, etc). Thats my take, hopefully it doesn’t cause some sort of shit storm.[/quote]
Pretty much this. This is a very diverse website, and it’s actually really weird when you think about it. I can’t think of any other “bodybuilding” board with so few competitors, but at the same time I do enjoy the content/community here…it’s something different. However, I do feel like I have to go elsewhere nowadays to further my BBing specific knowledge. (sorry, I’m never going to get on board with that gymnastics stuff).
Also, unfortunately I think a lot of the posting on this website (not really talking about the authors here) is extremely dogmatic and even incorrect/not the best idea, and so T-Nation will not produce many competitive physiques in the sport of BBing. People here are too close minded.
[quote]bignate wrote:
[quote]ds1973 wrote:
little tense? Lost your sense of humor? It was a joke.[/quote]
my bad, it can be hard to read sarcasm without tone. [/quote]
Joke or nor the gang will jump off that comment either way
What is bodybuilding to T-Nation?
That’s a tough question to answer. It seems that on a site like T-Nation, depending on what new supplement they are pushing, the type of training they advocate comes in waves. The last few waves seemed to go like this:
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Bodybuilding/Vaginas and boobs with man stuff mainly thanks to TC’s Friday articles.
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V-Diet/Full body training with a hint of why would you do isolation exercises as they aren’t functional? A bit of man stuff thanks to TC’s articles, but there’s an obvious lack of Testosterone flowing around and no articles or mentions of steroids anymore.
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Now we have MAG-10/Anaconda, Indigo-3G and Livespill with performance based training being pushed. It feels like there is now two sides to T-Nation, one side took the bait and bought Indigo-3G which now gives them ‘special’ privelages and a community to hang out in with Livespill. And the other side is kinda left hanging. When’s the last time a quality bodybuilding article came out? Powerlifting article? Fat loss article that wasn’t pushing Indigo-3G or fasting with MAG-10?
One of my favorite part’s of T-Nation was the sense of manliness that the site used to convey. TC wrote awesome articles every Friday talking about vagaygays, boobs, what it means to be a good man. The site was bad ass, they ran interesting articles regarding steroids and didn’t care if the article started a shitstorm. On Monday they would come out with an old school bodybuilding program and on Tuesday they would run a completely opposite article with something from CW. We used to have good discussion and intellegent posters which stimulated the site and made things more interesting. And now we don’t.
T-Nation has hit it big. Biotest makes more money now then ever, T-Nation has more members than ever and has gone mainstream, which is always good for business and you know what? I’m happy for them. They’ve succeded in a tough and competitive market in crappy economic times, good for them.
But you’re question was, What is bodybuilding to T-Nation? Well SteelyD, bodybuilding is not mainstream and never will be. The majority of the population doesn’t give a shit about bodybuilding and the majority of the members on T-Nation don’t give a shit about bodybuilding. They want a 6 pack, not 18 inch biceps. Bodybuilding to T-Nation is something that won’t attract new members to buy new supplements. You can’t blame them though, they’ve just kept up with the times and with what the customer wants.
At least they kept the bodybuilding forum up for the few that care.
I think bodybuilding exists on two fronts.
One is competitive bodybuilding, which adheres to an ever changing aesthetic that is governed by the standards set through competition with competition being the operative word! In the competitive bodybuilding world I see two routes a promising trainee can take, one being natural and the other being drug assisted so take that how you will…
Second to competitive bodybuilding I see bodybuilding as a personal endeavor to improve ones appearance through lifting weights with no obvious outward competitive element except maybe with oneself or with ones peers. I think this is where most of us are and most of us will stay because it takes a huge leap of faith to commit to competition and the struggles it brings with it.
Bodybuilding as an activity can be highly ego driven and narcissistic, playing to a primeval need to look dominant among our peers but it can also be artistic and spiritual in nature feeding a deep need to better oneself.
For me personally, bodybuilding is about strength, health, wellness and of course aesthetics, which I suppose harks back to a bygone era and is somewhat in opposition to what modern competitive bodybuilding is today.
[quote]j70 wrote:
One of my favorite part’s of T-Nation was the sense of manliness that the site used to convey. TC wrote awesome articles every Friday talking about vagaygays, boobs, what it means to be a good man. The site was bad ass, they ran interesting articles regarding steroids and didn’t care if the article started a shitstorm. On Monday they would come out with an old school bodybuilding program and on Tuesday they would run a completely opposite article with something from CW. We used to have good discussion and intellegent posters which stimulated the site and made things more interesting. And now we don’t.
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That manly man mantra is sadly missed!
To me bodybuilding is an applied personal experiment. What I mean by this is that you run experiments by changing the variables (different exercises, foods, rep ranges, intensity techniques etc.) and see what gives YOU optimal results. I’ve noticed a lot of debate over what exercises (among other things) are “good” and what are “bad” and the bottom line is to do what works for you.
Bodybuilding has taught me to be honest with myself. It’s helped me be objective about my goals, bodybuilding and personal included. It has taught me to work my hardest and smartest to achieve any task I’m handed.
I would say its progressing in size, strength etc relative to you.
But its hard in regards to a thing like BB to not compare your progress to another person and feel sort of upset/sad or whatever because they have gotten bigger/stronger then you.
Which is why we often have people belittling others on the progress made compared to others.
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[quote]SteelyD wrote:
I was going to qualify the question, but I’ll leave it wide open.
Go.[/quote]
I’m not entirely sure what you mean, but go ahead and quantify…
[quote]A.Lurker wrote:
[quote]SteelyD wrote:
I was going to qualify the question, but I’ll leave it wide open.
Go.[/quote]
I’m not entirely sure what you mean, but go ahead and quantify…
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I want opinions/discussions of what “Bodybuilding” means/is to this forum community and if possible, to the Mods/TN-Staff.
I didn’t want to box the discussion in any way – competitive/non, etc.
Who here is a ‘bodybuilder’? Are you a bodybuilder? If someone overhears you talking about the gym and asks if you are a ‘bodybuilder’ what do you say? What if the person next to you disagrees that you are NOT a bodybuilder?
Do you ‘workout’ or do you ‘train’? If you have been lifting for 3 months, are you a ‘bodybuilder’? 1 year? 5 years? 10 years? Fat? Lean? Big? Small? Compete? Health? Fitness?
What is ‘bodybuilding’ to TN members?
Who is a bodybuilder? Why or why not?
At what point are you ‘bodybuilding’?
Remember that famous declaration? THIS IS THE BODYBUILDING FORUM!!!
[quote]browndisaster wrote:
more muscle less fat more muscle less fat more muscle less fat more muscle less fat more muscle less fat more muscle less fatmore muscle less fat more muscle less fat more muscle less fat[/quote]
i just need to say that is such a sexy setup in ur avi… im fucking jelly hard right.