What is Bodybuilding to T-Nation?

[quote]waylanderxx wrote:
A number of people leave this website because there is NOTHING here for NPC competitors or anyone interested in the enhanced route. The steroid forum is a barely worth noting now, and the perma bulk attitude of this forum is just filled with fail, but whenever an alternative to that is suggested it gets attacked.

People serious about competing will never stick around here unless they’ve already been here for years and “grew up” here/like a good number of the posters. The articles/attitude of T-Nation does not help this either. If you don’t like the term “recreational” sorry, but that’s the main audience/demographic of this forum nowadays.[/quote]

Bravo

[quote]Waittz wrote:

[quote]waylanderxx wrote:
A number of people leave this website because there is NOTHING here for NPC competitors or anyone interested in the enhanced route. The steroid forum is a barely worth noting now, and the perma bulk attitude of this forum is just filled with fail, but whenever an alternative to that is suggested it gets attacked.

People serious about competing will never stick around here unless they’ve already been here for years and “grew up” here/like a good number of the posters. The articles/attitude of T-Nation does not help this either. If you don’t like the term “recreational” sorry, but that’s the main audience/demographic of this forum nowadays.[/quote]

Bravo[/quote]

shit just got real.

SHIT STORM

FLASH FLOOD OF POO POO

[quote]waylanderxx wrote:
A number of people leave this website because there is NOTHING here for NPC competitors or anyone interested in the enhanced route. The steroid forum is a barely worth noting now, and the perma bulk attitude of this forum is just filled with fail, but whenever an alternative to that is suggested it gets attacked.

People serious about competing will never stick around here unless they’ve already been here for years and “grew up” here/like a good number of the posters. The articles/attitude of T-Nation does not help this either. If you don’t like the term “recreational” sorry, but that’s the main audience/demographic of this forum nowadays.[/quote]

I agree with this 100%

Oh, and I do miss the Atomic Dog Series, I wish TC still wrote.

P.S. I think the shitstorm has started<3

[quote]Quasi-Tech wrote:
I’m sincerely bothered that all of the guys posting articles look average and none of them look exceptional to the sport/science by which they are writing (save maybe a few).

That’s like going to see a dietician and its some 300lb fatty whose sitting there eating a box of Krispy Kremes. I can understand that folks can have knowledge and not be a shining example of what they know… but if this is your passion, your life, and what pays your damned bills, then why aren’t you the best advertisement for your business?

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I agree, it definitely bothers me as well. I dont even bother to read ANYTHING posted on the front page of T-Nation anymore unless it has Matt Kroc or John Meadow’s name on it.

x2 on this^^

I used to read every article posted… But not so much anymore.

Not too sure on what Steely was asking for in his OP (but I think that’s the point. Leaving it up to our interpretation)

So here’s mine:

Bodybuilding is the act of gaining muscle and losing fat. Both don’t need to be done simultaneously (obvi) but you can’t have one without the other and call it bodybuilding. Anyone who’s seriously attempting to, and succeeding at, making niticable physical improvements is “bodybuilding.”

Bodybuilder, to me, is someone who completes in Bodybulding. If you’ve dieted down, or are currently dieting down, for a bodybuilding show then you’re a bodybuilder.

I have no intentions of ever doing a bodybuilding show (maybe physique some day if I’m ever satisfied with my development) so I would never call myself a “bodybuilder”… I’m just a guy who loves to lift weights, be in good shape, stay athletic and see physical changes week in and week out.

I don’t see the point of being huge if you can’t throw the ball around with your son/nephew or run around and play soccer or play some basketball with your daughter/niece. Being jacked is cool and all but not being able to run a mile under 10 minutes isn’t lol.

Just my opinion.

[quote]gregron wrote:
x2 on this^^

I used to read every article posted… But not so much anymore.

Not too sure on what Steely was asking for in his OP (but I think that’s the point. Leaving it up to our interpretation)

So here’s mine:

Bodybuilding is the act of gaining muscle and losing fat. Both don’t need to be done simultaneously (obvi) but you can’t have one without the other and call it bodybuilding. Anyone who’s seriously attempting to, and succeeding at, making niticable physical improvements is “bodybuilding.”

Bodybuilder, to me, is someone who completes in Bodybulding. If you’ve dieted down, or are currently dieting down, for a bodybuilding show then you’re a bodybuilder.

I have no intentions of ever doing a bodybuilding show (maybe physique some day if I’m ever satisfied with my development) so I would never call myself a “bodybuilder”… I’m just a guy who loves to lift weights, be in good shape, stay athletic and see physical changes week in and week out.

I don’t see the point of being huge if you can’t throw the ball around with your son/nephew or run around and play soccer or play some basketball with your daughter/niece. Being jacked is cool and all but not being able to run a mile under 10 minutes isn’t lol.

Just my opinion.[/quote]

I like what you wrote about classifying yourself. I always considered myself as a “weight lifter”. Been called a meat head though…

[quote]Professor X wrote:
This was well written and I agree completely. How serious you are is based on your effort and your results. Degrading that by telling everyone what they can call themselves doesn’t do anything but destroy what used to be a pretty close knit community.

When I walk into Metroflex in Houston, I don’t hear big guys running around calling other people “fat” because they are’t 10% body fat or acting like the guy who worked his ass off and made great progress can’t call himself a “bodybuilder”.

At one time, the whole fucking gym, bodybuilders and powerlifters got along and were considered different aspects of the same damn thing.

The bro-elitism we are seeing lately will ensure that community never melds together again.[/quote]

What you fail to understand is this: You haven’t seen your abs since high school and all you know how to do is perma bulk. THIS IS NOT BODYBUILDING.

Bodybuilding combines leanness with size, you have not, and will never combine these and so you only know half of the equation. Unfortunately, you consider yourself a bodybuilding authority because you talk to a guy in the gym sometimes who competes in the NPC. You dish out perma bulk advice to noobs and guess what happens? Clusters of bulk fail threads show up.

Once again, being fat, strong and heavy is not bodybuilding. That is something else entirely.

For those of you who wish to look like bodybuilders it is not necessary to bulk so long/so much that you reach very high levels of bodyfat and have to shred all of that down to look good with your t-shirt off. I highly doubt that the majority of the peoples goals in the BBing forum are to be embarassed to take their shirt off in public, when was the last time you took a progress picture that you weren’t fully clothed in, or even took a picture hitting a mandatory bodybuilding pose?

One of the few people I respect who have take this route is SteelyD. He started out as a skinny fat mofo a few years ago and has added a shit ton of muscle, and yes some bodyfat. However, he has stated he doesn’t care about abs, he just wants to be big and strong…he doesn’t pretend to be something he is not.

In a nutshell, my first two paragraphs are a large part of what is wrong with the bodybuilding forum. It’s time to find a new role model if you’re a noob or intermediate. Look to guys like ebomb, thoughts or Stu if your goal is to actually look like a bodybuilder. If your goal is to be big and strong look to steelyD. Take advice from the right people according to your goals, otherwise you will regret it.

Oh and if you want to compete in the NPC, pick another website and pick the brains of competitors there. This is not the place.

[quote]gregron wrote:
x2 on this^^

I used to read every article posted… But not so much anymore.

Not too sure on what Steely was asking for in his OP (but I think that’s the point. Leaving it up to our interpretation)

So here’s mine:

Bodybuilding is the act of gaining muscle and losing fat. Both don’t need to be done simultaneously (obvi) but you can’t have one without the other and call it bodybuilding. Anyone who’s seriously attempting to, and succeeding at, making niticable physical improvements is “bodybuilding.”

Bodybuilder, to me, is someone who completes in Bodybulding. If you’ve dieted down, or are currently dieting down, for a bodybuilding show then you’re a bodybuilder.

I have no intentions of ever doing a bodybuilding show (maybe physique some day if I’m ever satisfied with my development) so I would never call myself a “bodybuilder”… I’m just a guy who loves to lift weights, be in good shape, stay athletic and see physical changes week in and week out.

I don’t see the point of being huge if you can’t throw the ball around with your son/nephew or run around and play soccer or play some basketball with your daughter/niece. Being jacked is cool and all but not being able to run a mile under 10 minutes isn’t lol.

Just my opinion.[/quote]

I share your sentiment Gregron.

[quote]florelius wrote:

[quote]gregron wrote:
x2 on this^^

I used to read every article posted… But not so much anymore.

Not too sure on what Steely was asking for in his OP (but I think that’s the point. Leaving it up to our interpretation)

So here’s mine:

Bodybuilding is the act of gaining muscle and losing fat. Both don’t need to be done simultaneously (obvi) but you can’t have one without the other and call it bodybuilding. Anyone who’s seriously attempting to, and succeeding at, making niticable physical improvements is “bodybuilding.”

Bodybuilder, to me, is someone who completes in Bodybulding. If you’ve dieted down, or are currently dieting down, for a bodybuilding show then you’re a bodybuilder.

I have no intentions of ever doing a bodybuilding show (maybe physique some day if I’m ever satisfied with my development) so I would never call myself a “bodybuilder”… I’m just a guy who loves to lift weights, be in good shape, stay athletic and see physical changes week in and week out.

I don’t see the point of being huge if you can’t throw the ball around with your son/nephew or run around and play soccer or play some basketball with your daughter/niece. Being jacked is cool and all but not being able to run a mile under 10 minutes isn’t lol.

Just my opinion.[/quote]

I share your sentiment Gregron.
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I think the percentage of people that are so jacked beyond beleif that they can’t do simple activities like shooting hoops or playing catch with their kids is pretty small. The most jacked guy on the planet right now mr Heath im sure would not have a problem doing all of the above.

[quote]Maiden3.16 wrote:

[quote]florelius wrote:

[quote]gregron wrote:
x2 on this^^

I used to read every article posted… But not so much anymore.

Not too sure on what Steely was asking for in his OP (but I think that’s the point. Leaving it up to our interpretation)

So here’s mine:

Bodybuilding is the act of gaining muscle and losing fat. Both don’t need to be done simultaneously (obvi) but you can’t have one without the other and call it bodybuilding. Anyone who’s seriously attempting to, and succeeding at, making niticable physical improvements is “bodybuilding.”

Bodybuilder, to me, is someone who completes in Bodybulding. If you’ve dieted down, or are currently dieting down, for a bodybuilding show then you’re a bodybuilder.

I have no intentions of ever doing a bodybuilding show (maybe physique some day if I’m ever satisfied with my development) so I would never call myself a “bodybuilder”… I’m just a guy who loves to lift weights, be in good shape, stay athletic and see physical changes week in and week out.

I don’t see the point of being huge if you can’t throw the ball around with your son/nephew or run around and play soccer or play some basketball with your daughter/niece. Being jacked is cool and all but not being able to run a mile under 10 minutes isn’t lol.

Just my opinion.[/quote]

I share your sentiment Gregron.
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I think the percentage of people that are so jacked beyond beleif that they can’t do simple activities like shooting hoops or playing catch with their kids is pretty small. The most jacked guy on the planet right now mr Heath im sure would not have a problem doing all of the above. [/quote]

I was more agreeing with hes entire post, where he made a distinction beetwen competitiv bodybuilding and recreational strenght training. When it comes to the other I saw that more as hes personal reasons for doing what he is doing. My goal is to evolve away form the weakling I am, not run a mil under 10 mins, but thats more a live and let live issue.

[quote]Maiden3.16 wrote:

[quote]florelius wrote:

[quote]gregron wrote:
x2 on this^^

I used to read every article posted… But not so much anymore.

Not too sure on what Steely was asking for in his OP (but I think that’s the point. Leaving it up to our interpretation)

So here’s mine:

Bodybuilding is the act of gaining muscle and losing fat. Both don’t need to be done simultaneously (obvi) but you can’t have one without the other and call it bodybuilding. Anyone who’s seriously attempting to, and succeeding at, making niticable physical improvements is “bodybuilding.”

Bodybuilder, to me, is someone who completes in Bodybulding. If you’ve dieted down, or are currently dieting down, for a bodybuilding show then you’re a bodybuilder.

I have no intentions of ever doing a bodybuilding show (maybe physique some day if I’m ever satisfied with my development) so I would never call myself a “bodybuilder”… I’m just a guy who loves to lift weights, be in good shape, stay athletic and see physical changes week in and week out.

I don’t see the point of being huge if you can’t throw the ball around with your son/nephew or run around and play soccer or play some basketball with your daughter/niece. Being jacked is cool and all but not being able to run a mile under 10 minutes isn’t lol.

Just my opinion.[/quote]

I share your sentiment Gregron.
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I think the percentage of people that are so jacked beyond beleif that they can’t do simple activities like shooting hoops or playing catch with their kids is pretty small. The most jacked guy on the planet right now mr Heath im sure would not have a problem doing all of the above. [/quote]

I honestly just like posting this video to show off Phil’s smooth jumper

[quote]florelius wrote:

[quote]Maiden3.16 wrote:

[quote]florelius wrote:

[quote]gregron wrote:
x2 on this^^

I used to read every article posted… But not so much anymore.

Not too sure on what Steely was asking for in his OP (but I think that’s the point. Leaving it up to our interpretation)

So here’s mine:

Bodybuilding is the act of gaining muscle and losing fat. Both don’t need to be done simultaneously (obvi) but you can’t have one without the other and call it bodybuilding. Anyone who’s seriously attempting to, and succeeding at, making niticable physical improvements is “bodybuilding.”

Bodybuilder, to me, is someone who completes in Bodybulding. If you’ve dieted down, or are currently dieting down, for a bodybuilding show then you’re a bodybuilder.

I have no intentions of ever doing a bodybuilding show (maybe physique some day if I’m ever satisfied with my development) so I would never call myself a “bodybuilder”… I’m just a guy who loves to lift weights, be in good shape, stay athletic and see physical changes week in and week out.

I don’t see the point of being huge if you can’t throw the ball around with your son/nephew or run around and play soccer or play some basketball with your daughter/niece. Being jacked is cool and all but not being able to run a mile under 10 minutes isn’t lol.

Just my opinion.[/quote]

I share your sentiment Gregron.
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I think the percentage of people that are so jacked beyond beleif that they can’t do simple activities like shooting hoops or playing catch with their kids is pretty small. The most jacked guy on the planet right now mr Heath im sure would not have a problem doing all of the above. [/quote]

I was more agreeing with hes entire post, where he made a distinction beetwen competitiv bodybuilding and recreational strenght training. When it comes to the other I saw that more as hes personal reasons for doing what he is doing. My goal is to evolve away form the weakling I am, not run a mil under 10 mins, but thats more a live and let live issue.
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I agree with the rest of the post as well. You could almost walk a mile in under 10 minutes. Also Antoine Valliant (think the name is) can be jacked beyond beleif and do backflips and shit so… the two are not mutually exclusive by any means. You can have both if you want.

I usually don’t post in threads that might end up in a big shit storm, but this one interests me. The conversation seems to be moving towards answering two questions: 1. What is Bodybuilding to T-Nation? and 2. What qualifies someone as a bodybuilder?

  1. What is Bodybuilding to T-Nation?

I think T-Nation sees bodybuilding as a way to better yourself. They don’t see it as the competitive sport of bodybuilding and CT has actually said that he’s not a fan of the sport. As far as the articles and workouts they produce, they may not be for a purely aesthetic, bodybuilding physique, but they intend to build the body: either to perform better, look better, feel better, etc. Whether the methods be rings, mobility work, or Kroc Rows, I think that T-Nation is working towards having their general audience just build themselves up to be better.

  1. What Qualifies Someone as a Bodybuilder?

Honestly, this is a tough question. While some may say that as long as you’re trying to build your body and train hard and are in the gym, you are a bodybuilder. However, I’m in the kitchen every day; I bake, fry, broil. I try to make better tasting food, etc, but I don’t consider myself a chef and I doubt anyone else would consider me a chef. Others may say that you need to have competed in a bodybuilding competition to be considered a bodybuilder. I don’t even think that’s the case. I’ve competed in 2 shows and still don’t consider myself to be a bodybuilder. I don’t mean this to be disrespectful, but I don’t even consider guys like ebomb and timmcbride who have also competed to be bodybuilders at this point. I feel like at this point we are just guys who have competed in a bodybuilding competition. The only active poster that I would consider a bodybuilder is Stu.

I think that you need to have recognition for what you’ve accomplished in the sport. You may not need to be a Pro, but you need to be recognized for the work you’ve done in the sport. You can do this by being dedicated and doing many shows or being successful and winning your Pro Card. Just because someone fixes their computer or customizes their twitter page doesn’t make them a computer technician or web developer. I do both these last things for a living and would consider myself both of these things. Maybe once I win my Pro card I’ll add bodybuilder to the list.

Now if someone considers themselves a bodybuilder, I wouldn’t tell them they’re not. That’s my personal take on it anyway.

[quote]Maiden3.16 wrote:

[quote]florelius wrote:

[quote]Maiden3.16 wrote:

[quote]florelius wrote:

[quote]gregron wrote:
x2 on this^^

I used to read every article posted… But not so much anymore.

Not too sure on what Steely was asking for in his OP (but I think that’s the point. Leaving it up to our interpretation)

So here’s mine:

Bodybuilding is the act of gaining muscle and losing fat. Both don’t need to be done simultaneously (obvi) but you can’t have one without the other and call it bodybuilding. Anyone who’s seriously attempting to, and succeeding at, making niticable physical improvements is “bodybuilding.”

Bodybuilder, to me, is someone who completes in Bodybulding. If you’ve dieted down, or are currently dieting down, for a bodybuilding show then you’re a bodybuilder.

I have no intentions of ever doing a bodybuilding show (maybe physique some day if I’m ever satisfied with my development) so I would never call myself a “bodybuilder”… I’m just a guy who loves to lift weights, be in good shape, stay athletic and see physical changes week in and week out.

I don’t see the point of being huge if you can’t throw the ball around with your son/nephew or run around and play soccer or play some basketball with your daughter/niece. Being jacked is cool and all but not being able to run a mile under 10 minutes isn’t lol.

Just my opinion.[/quote]

I share your sentiment Gregron.
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I think the percentage of people that are so jacked beyond beleif that they can’t do simple activities like shooting hoops or playing catch with their kids is pretty small. The most jacked guy on the planet right now mr Heath im sure would not have a problem doing all of the above. [/quote]

I was more agreeing with hes entire post, where he made a distinction beetwen competitiv bodybuilding and recreational strenght training. When it comes to the other I saw that more as hes personal reasons for doing what he is doing. My goal is to evolve away form the weakling I am, not run a mil under 10 mins, but thats more a live and let live issue.
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I agree with the rest of the post as well. You could almost walk a mile in under 10 minutes. Also Antoine Valliant (think the name is) can be jacked beyond beleif and do backflips and shit so… the two are not mutually exclusive by any means. You can have both if you want.[/quote]

I agree

A lot of big dudes are very immonile because they choose to be not because of their size. If from the start being big and fast was their goal then they’d train for both

[quote]Maiden3.16 wrote:

[quote]florelius wrote:

[quote]gregron wrote:
x2 on this^^

I used to read every article posted… But not so much anymore.

Not too sure on what Steely was asking for in his OP (but I think that’s the point. Leaving it up to our interpretation)

So here’s mine:

Bodybuilding is the act of gaining muscle and losing fat. Both don’t need to be done simultaneously (obvi) but you can’t have one without the other and call it bodybuilding. Anyone who’s seriously attempting to, and succeeding at, making niticable physical improvements is “bodybuilding.”

Bodybuilder, to me, is someone who completes in Bodybulding. If you’ve dieted down, or are currently dieting down, for a bodybuilding show then you’re a bodybuilder.

I have no intentions of ever doing a bodybuilding show (maybe physique some day if I’m ever satisfied with my development) so I would never call myself a “bodybuilder”… I’m just a guy who loves to lift weights, be in good shape, stay athletic and see physical changes week in and week out.

I don’t see the point of being huge if you can’t throw the ball around with your son/nephew or run around and play soccer or play some basketball with your daughter/niece. Being jacked is cool and all but not being able to run a mile under 10 minutes isn’t lol.

Just my opinion.[/quote]

I share your sentiment Gregron.
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I think the percentage of people that are so jacked beyond beleif that they can’t do simple activities like shooting hoops or playing catch with their kids is pretty small. The most jacked guy on the planet right now mr Heath im sure would not have a problem doing all of the above. [/quote]

I wasn’t so much speaking about being “so jacked beyond belief that they couldn’t do simple activities.” I was more so referring to a lack of conditioning. Do you think Mr. Heath would be able to walk into a gym and play a couple of games of full court pick up ball without sucking wind bad? Maybe, but I doubt it lol. That’s more of what I’m talkin about.

Using a former D-1 scholarship athlete who’s now a pro BBer as your example is definitely the exception and not the rule… But I know what you’re saying and I don’t really disagree.

You can have both aspects (to a certain degree) if you choose.

[quote]thoughts1053 wrote:
The conversation seems to be moving towards answering two questions: 1. What is Bodybuilding to T-Nation? and 2. What qualifies someone as a bodybuilder?

  1. What is Bodybuilding to T-Nation?

I think T-Nation sees bodybuilding as a way to better yourself. They don’t see it as the competitive sport of bodybuilding and CT has actually said that he’s not a fan of the sport. As far as the articles and workouts they produce, they may not be for a purely aesthetic, bodybuilding physique, but they intend to build the body: either to perform better, look better, feel better, etc. Whether the methods be rings, mobility work, or Kroc Rows, I think that T-Nation is working towards having their general audience just build themselves up to be better.
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I agree with what you stated above but I feel that that sense or message to better oneself through bodybuilding / weightlifting / training has somewhat been lost on here these past few years. It has been replaced with a bigger broader more watered down idea that appeals to a wider audience. The atomic dog brought this feeling together and although it was mostly comical at times it did have some imporant messages or ideas to convey.

[quote]thoughts1053 wrote:

  1. What Qualifies Someone as a Bodybuilder?

Honestly, this is a tough question. While some may say that as long as you’re trying to build your body and train hard and are in the gym, you are a bodybuilder. However, I’m in the kitchen every day; I bake, fry, broil. I try to make better tasting food, etc, but I don’t consider myself a chef and I doubt anyone else would consider me a chef. Others may say that you need to have competed in a bodybuilding competition to be considered a bodybuilder. I don’t even think that’s the case. I’ve competed in 2 shows and still don’t consider myself to be a bodybuilder. I don’t mean this to be disrespectful, but I don’t even consider guys like ebomb and timmcbride who have also competed to be bodybuilders at this point. I feel like at this point we are just guys who have competed in a bodybuilding competition. The only active poster that I would consider a bodybuilder is Stu.

I think that you need to have recognition for what you’ve accomplished in the sport. You may not need to be a Pro, but you need to be recognized for the work you’ve done in the sport. You can do this by being dedicated and doing many shows or being successful and winning your Pro Card. Just because someone fixes their computer or customizes their twitter page doesn’t make them a computer technician or web developer. I do both these last things for a living and would consider myself both of these things. Maybe once I win my Pro card I’ll add bodybuilder to the list.

Now if someone considers themselves a bodybuilder, I wouldn’t tell them they’re not. That’s my personal take on it anyway.[/quote]

I disagree with this but I do understand where you are coming from, this based on your personal perspective of what qualifies you as a bodybuilder. I would have you down as a bodybuilder for what it’s worth.

To be a Bodybuilder does not require a person to take a course or pass an exam so you cant quantify it like being qualified for a specific job or compare it as such because no specific circumstance exists that dictates whether you are a bodybuilder or not. The only thing that distinguishes a bodybuilder from the rest of us is the long preparation for and then the participation in actual competition.

Once you have honestly done that and have been successfully judged by your peers then you are a bodybuilder, be it a good one or a bad one but a bodybuilder nonetheless. Until they start throwing out licences for bodybuilders this is how it is.

Depends on the goal of the individual.

Is there a line of progress that must be crossed to earn the name “bodybuilder?” Again, depends on the individual.

Show me a guy who added 60 lbs of lean mass to his frame (some of it with steroids), who steps onstage 2x per year and I’ll tell you he’s a bodybuilder

Then show me a guy who added 100 lbs of lean mass (all natty) who chooses not to compete and I’ll tell you he’s a bodybuilder.

I wrestled in high school my junior year… at the mere weight of 112 lbs. I had been lifting (to be a bodybuilder) for the previous 2-3 years. At the time, one of the biggest compliments I ever got was from one of my opponents. Before our match I was stretching and he asked me if I was a bodybuilder. I said yes!

[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
Then show me a guy who added 100 lbs of lean mass (all nattywithout a growth spurt) who chooses not to compete and I’ll tell you he’s a liar.
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lol