Hey guys i have a question about getting big and strong. Im about 5’6-5’7 and i weigh about 160. I am 15 years old, and have been working out pretty consistantly for about 1.5 years. Lately ive been trying to gain a bit more weight because in the spring i will be starting shotput, and i know that added mass will help. I have a question about me gaining this weight.
What is a good weight to aim for at this age? I feel like truthfully 200 lbs for a 15 year old will be very hard to acheive. Ive been trying to put on 5 lbs, to get to 165, then eventually get to 170. I feel 170 is a pretty good weight for my height and age. What are your opinions of a good weight for me to aim for. I would like to mention that in 7th grade i was ~175 pounds, but it was fat (most of it) and i was just fat. i lost weight until about 125 or so later that year(too low). Ive been gaining since then and now weigh 160, as mentioned before.
[quote]TomRocco wrote:
Hey guys i have a question about getting big and strong. Im about 5’6-5’7 and i weigh about 160. I am 15 years old, and have been working out pretty consistantly for about 1.5 years. Lately ive been trying to gain a bit more weight because in the spring i will be starting shotput, and i know that added mass will help. I have a question about me gaining this weight.
What is a good weight to aim for at this age? I feel like truthfully 200 lbs for a 15 year old will be very hard to acheive. Ive been trying to put on 5 lbs, to get to 165, then eventually get to 170. I feel 170 is a pretty good weight for my height and age. What are your opinions of a good weight for me to aim for. I would like to mention that in 7th grade i was ~175 pounds, but it was fat (most of it) and i was just fat. i lost weight until about 125 or so later that year(too low). Ive been gaining since then and now weigh 160, as mentioned before.
Thanks for the help.
Tom[/quote]
At 15 you I wouldn’t recommend you have a “goal” weight, considering the growth spurts you have yet to come. You’re probably not going to be 5’6" very long, so why set a goal for that height?
If you are lifting hard and eating like a horse you will make great gains.
Besides, after losing your fatness, and starting at 125, you have gained 35lbs with what you are currently doing! What’s wrong with the results you have achieved thus far?
If you have been including shot put in your training regimen, I wouldn’t sweat the undeterminable benefit 5lbs might have on your throw.
[quote]MaloVerde wrote:
At 15 you I wouldn’t recommend you have a “goal” weight, considering the growth spurts you have yet to come.[/quote]
This is true.
This is also true, but I would just add that you need to be sleeping enough too. At least seven hours a night. No xbox live marathons until 2am on a schoolnight.
Tomrocco, I’d pretty much stick with what you’re doing. Eat plenty of fruits, veggies, and protein. And work up to your age in reps on push-ups (should be a piece of cake), pull-ups (hands facing away) and chin-ups (hands facing you).
[quote]Colucci wrote:
MaloVerde wrote:
At 15 you I wouldn’t recommend you have a “goal” weight, considering the growth spurts you have yet to come.
This is true.
If you are lifting hard and eating like a horse you will make great gains.
This is also true, but I would just add that you need to be sleeping enough too. At least seven hours a night. No xbox live marathons until 2am on a schoolnight.
Tomrocco, I’d pretty much stick with what you’re doing. Eat plenty of fruits, veggies, and protein. And work up to your age in reps on push-ups (should be a piece of cake), pull-ups (hands facing away) and chin-ups (hands facing you).[/quote]
Ill agree with these fellas as well and further vstress the sleep thing and that 7 hour recomendation was AT LEAST!!! as in a minimum id say as often as you can more than that 8-10.
Work hard eat well dont stress over it to much concentrate not on a weight but your performance bro base everything onn that do waht it takews to perform better and the weight, strength, etc will follow.
Thanks for your replies guys. When i said my “goal weight” was 175, i was actually referring to ~the end of the summer weight. I wasnt putting a goal for my whole life at 175. I try to get as much sleep as possible, but even on weekends i dont get much more than week days (i only get about 7 hours on weekdays, but weekends i get about 8 or so. usually i wake up before 9 hours).
Also, since im here im hoping someone can answer this question. Im doing shotput in the spring (as said before) and i would like to know what is more important in terms of strength or explosiveness (with technique not in the equation). this week im going to be doing power work because of a 1.5 month schedule of working out ive been following. i figured id peak with power work, then hit some hypertrophy/strength work in season. then in the summer ill be focusing mainly on aesthetics opposed to power, so ill be running a bit more and be doing more frequent workouts.
Id also like to mention these 2 things: 1) i spend most my time studying opposed to playing video games, so i dont hav much concern with that. and 2) i havent grown much at all (like maybe an inch in total) over the past 3 years, so i dont really expect to have a big growth spurt.
This is a key reason why i feel i can set a “goal weight” (in actuality its more of a short term goal) because factors affecting weight arent changing in me much (im not getting taller, so any weight gain is either muscle or fat).
squat like mad for shotput, and benching wouldn’t hurt. There was some article here, the author trains athletes and he trained a shotputter who could bench 585 with a 3inch bar.
[quote]TomRocco wrote:
Hey guys i have a question about getting big and strong. Im about 5’6-5’7 and i weigh about 160. I am 15 years old, and have been working out pretty consistantly for about 1.5 years. Lately ive been trying to gain a bit more weight because in the spring i will be starting shotput, and i know that added mass will help. I have a question about me gaining this weight.
What is a good weight to aim for at this age? I feel like truthfully 200 lbs for a 15 year old will be very hard to acheive. Ive been trying to put on 5 lbs, to get to 165, then eventually get to 170. I feel 170 is a pretty good weight for my height and age. What are your opinions of a good weight for me to aim for. I would like to mention that in 7th grade i was ~175 pounds, but it was fat (most of it) and i was just fat. i lost weight until about 125 or so later that year(too low). Ive been gaining since then and now weigh 160, as mentioned before.
Thanks for the help.
Tom[/quote]
Let’s see if can introduce a new perspective. I wouldn’t train for a weight if I were you, you have a goal (Shotput) and you should train for results. Do some research to find out what makes a great Shotputter great and work towards that, someone mentioned Dan John and that sounds like a good idea to me.
Once you can produce good throws for someone of your level whatever you weigh will be a good weight.
I have read several times, in several books that somebody your age should not be lifting weights in the first place.
Supposivly doing all body weight exercises will be the only thing that is reletivly safe for you.
The reasoning being that at your age you still have alot of bones that have not yet fused togeather properly.
I dont remember the exact numbers but to give vague example, your skull is like… 33 different pieces of bones when you are really young, and then as you grow older those pieces fuse into 2 or 3 bones.
Like I said, not accurate numbers, but the same idea none the less.
I am no expert, but you may want to do some more reserach yourself, as you probably dont want to hurt yourself.
[quote]DanErickson wrote:
I have read several times, in several books that somebody your age should not be lifting weights in the first place.
Supposivly doing all body weight exercises will be the only thing that is reletivly safe for you.
The reasoning being that at your age you still have alot of bones that have not yet fused togeather properly.
I dont remember the exact numbers but to give vague example, your skull is like… 33 different pieces of bones when you are really young, and then as you grow older those pieces fuse into 2 or 3 bones.
Like I said, not accurate numbers, but the same idea none the less.
I am no expert, but you may want to do some more reserach yourself, as you probably dont want to hurt yourself.[/quote]
This crap has been debunked more times than you can imagine. This is an ignorant post, and the poster is the one who needs to do some reading.
[quote]Skuebb wrote:
DanErickson wrote:
I have read several times, in several books that somebody your age should not be lifting weights in the first place.
Supposivly doing all body weight exercises will be the only thing that is reletivly safe for you.
The reasoning being that at your age you still have alot of bones that have not yet fused togeather properly.
I dont remember the exact numbers but to give vague example, your skull is like… 33 different pieces of bones when you are really young, and then as you grow older those pieces fuse into 2 or 3 bones.
Like I said, not accurate numbers, but the same idea none the less.
I am no expert, but you may want to do some more reserach yourself, as you probably dont want to hurt yourself.
This crap has been debunked more times than you can imagine. This is an ignorant post, and the poster is the one who needs to do some reading.
[/quote]
Exactly I dont care if you 9 or 90 resistant training of some form is very, VERY beneficial. You just need to fit it to your training age, and goals.
I will add this is even more important (resistance training) in this day of age of ZERO friggin physical activity. Do you think the farmers, miners, loggers etc of the past that had to work there butts off for a living the WHOLE family just to exists didnt have there young children carry heavy things, lift hay bails, etc etc due to the fact they were to young. NO the body will adapt.
As well they have proven numerous times like above poster sadi its not only not bad but good for youngins for things such as greater growth, bone strength and density,general health etc.
[quote]Phill wrote:
Your sitting on a gold mine Id Ask Dan John about the throwing in his locker room he was and is a HIGH level thrower.
As for strength or explosiveness. If your weak then it wont matter if your explosive. Just depends where you are etc…
Phill[/quote]
This is a GREAT POST. Find Dan John and ask him, he’s thrown at an extremely competitive level. Also, Phill’s right on about weak and explosive vs. strength. You need strength to make your production of force worth anything.
Anyways in reference to your question. Strength vs explosiveness? Both. Also, flexibility, balance, coordination, GPP, athleticism, core strength, and TECHNIQUE.
Don’t expect to throw far if you address strength without also addressing the above. At your age, this is especially important.
The best thing you can do is to join a local track club. Don’t specialize, don’t buy into the stereotype of the musclehead thrower, you should be learning sprint drills and jumping exercises as well. Learn to move your body confidently, smoothly, effectively. Go to your throws coach and ask him/her to show you some drills to get started.
Strength is important. But, it is developed in tandem with what I mentioned above, it does not replace it.
Remember that 15 is still young and advanced methods are most often inappropriate.
[quote]Skuebb wrote:
DanErickson wrote:
I have read several times, in several books that somebody your age should not be lifting weights in the first place.
Supposivly doing all body weight exercises will be the only thing that is reletivly safe for you.
The reasoning being that at your age you still have alot of bones that have not yet fused togeather properly.
I dont remember the exact numbers but to give vague example, your skull is like… 33 different pieces of bones when you are really young, and then as you grow older those pieces fuse into 2 or 3 bones.
Like I said, not accurate numbers, but the same idea none the less.
I am no expert, but you may want to do some more reserach yourself, as you probably dont want to hurt yourself.
This crap has been debunked more times than you can imagine. This is an ignorant post, and the poster is the one who needs to do some reading.
[/quote]
Inaccurate maybe, but ignorant… far from it. Read the post again. I admitted I am no expert and am just going off what I read. How the fuck is that ignorant?
You are the one who is ignorant.
Cyah
[quote]DanErickson wrote:
Skuebb wrote:
DanErickson wrote:
I have read several times, in several books that somebody your age should not be lifting weights in the first place.
Supposivly doing all body weight exercises will be the only thing that is reletivly safe for you.
The reasoning being that at your age you still have alot of bones that have not yet fused togeather properly.
I dont remember the exact numbers but to give vague example, your skull is like… 33 different pieces of bones when you are really young, and then as you grow older those pieces fuse into 2 or 3 bones.
Like I said, not accurate numbers, but the same idea none the less.
I am no expert, but you may want to do some more reserach yourself, as you probably dont want to hurt yourself.
This crap has been debunked more times than you can imagine. This is an ignorant post, and the poster is the one who needs to do some reading.
Inaccurate maybe, but ignorant… far from it. Read the post again. I admitted I am no expert and am just going off what I read. How the fuck is that ignorant?
You are the one who is ignorant.
Cyah[/quote]
I think you’re ignorant about the meaning of the word ignorant. Try a Webster.
[quote]DanErickson wrote:
I have read several times, in several books that somebody your age should not be lifting weights in the first place.
Supposivly doing all body weight exercises will be the only thing that is reletivly safe for you.
The reasoning being that at your age you still have alot of bones that have not yet fused togeather properly.
I dont remember the exact numbers but to give vague example, your skull is like… 33 different pieces of bones when you are really young, and then as you grow older those pieces fuse into 2 or 3 bones.
Like I said, not accurate numbers, but the same idea none the less.
I am no expert, but you may want to do some more reserach yourself, as you probably dont want to hurt yourself.[/quote]
From dictionary.com:
ig?no?rant /ˈɪgnərənt/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[ig-ner-uhnt] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
?adjective 1. lacking in knowledge or training; unlearned: an ignorant man.
2. lacking knowledge or information as to a particular subject or fact: ignorant of quantum physics.
3. uninformed; unaware.
4. due to or showing lack of knowledge or training: an ignorant statement.
[Origin: 1325?75; ME ignora(u)nt < L ignōrant- (s. of ignōrāns), prp. of ignōrāre to ignore; see -ant]
Try not to take it too personally - I’m just saying you really don’t know what you’re talking about- and the many bones in the skull? Enlighten us as to the relation to weightlifting. Is he going to stunt the growth of his head?
[quote]DanErickson wrote:
Skuebb wrote:
DanErickson wrote:
I have read several times, in several books that somebody your age should not be lifting weights in the first place.
Supposivly doing all body weight exercises will be the only thing that is reletivly safe for you.
The reasoning being that at your age you still have alot of bones that have not yet fused togeather properly.
I dont remember the exact numbers but to give vague example, your skull is like… 33 different pieces of bones when you are really young, and then as you grow older those pieces fuse into 2 or 3 bones.
Like I said, not accurate numbers, but the same idea none the less.
I am no expert, but you may want to do some more reserach yourself, as you probably dont want to hurt yourself.
This crap has been debunked more times than you can imagine. This is an ignorant post, and the poster is the one who needs to do some reading.
Inaccurate maybe, but ignorant… far from it. Read the post again. I admitted I am no expert and am just going off what I read. How the fuck is that ignorant?
You are the one who is ignorant.
Cyah[/quote]
im 16 myself, and currently im 5’9 88 kilos (approx. 193 lbs). since i started working out, about 1.5 years ago as well as you, i went from about 155 to where i am now. what did i do? lifted hard, ate big. didnt gain any fat, didnt lose any either so thats not an isue. just practice good form, eat the best food you can and alot of it, and just go for it man. a good weight is whatever you feel comfortable with, and whatever your goals are.
[quote]Skuebb wrote:
DanErickson wrote:
I have read several times, in several books that somebody your age should not be lifting weights in the first place.
Supposivly doing all body weight exercises will be the only thing that is reletivly safe for you.
The reasoning being that at your age you still have alot of bones that have not yet fused togeather properly.
I dont remember the exact numbers but to give vague example, your skull is like… 33 different pieces of bones when you are really young, and then as you grow older those pieces fuse into 2 or 3 bones.
Like I said, not accurate numbers, but the same idea none the less.
I am no expert, but you may want to do some more reserach yourself, as you probably dont want to hurt yourself.
From dictionary.com:
ig?no?rant /ˈɪgnərənt/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[ig-ner-uhnt] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
?adjective 1. lacking in knowledge or training; unlearned: an ignorant man.
2. lacking knowledge or information as to a particular subject or fact: ignorant of quantum physics.
3. uninformed; unaware.
4. due to or showing lack of knowledge or training: an ignorant statement.
[Origin: 1325?75; ME ignora(u)nt < L ignōrant- (s. of ignōrāns), prp. of ignōrāre to ignore; see -ant]
Try not to take it too personally - I’m just saying you really don’t know what you’re talking about- and the many bones in the skull? Enlighten us as to the relation to weightlifting. Is he going to stunt the growth of his head?
[/quote]
When you said i was ignorant I took it as you were trying to insult me, not simply say that I dont know what I am talking about.
The 18 or so bones in your head was clearly an example of what I was talking about.