What Do You Think of This Picture?

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[quote]elano wrote:
buckeye girl wrote:

Oh, and considering that she’s BENCHED 140 at 80-some pounds, I highly doubt shes only squatting the bar. Dumbass.

There is no way an 80lb 13 year old girl is going to be able to squat more than 100 pounds. That is unless you throw a bunch of gear on her to do most of the lifting.[/quote]

[quote]buckeye girl wrote:
The bench video alone should have been a pretty good indicatior of what kind of weight she was moving.

I bet she can barely bench the bar without all that gear on.

BTW whoever said a 135 deadlift was crappy for a girl, go find some girls on the street and see if they can pull 135. I bet none of them can budge it unless they’ve trained the deadlift for at least a few months or have done some serious manual labor prior to the lift.[/quote]

Boy, you’ve got a lot to learn.

135 for ANY person that has been training for a while is a shitty deadlift number. We aren’t talking about random girls off the street, dumbfuck, we’re talking about female strength athletes.

And even if we were talking about the average girl, I think you’d be surprised how strong they can be. I remember the first day one of my training partners came in. She’s a cheerleader with no prior PL training and pulled a 350+ reverse band deadlift.

The gear does not do the work for you, and if you had any experience with it at all, you would know that. You don’t just decide to throw on a canvas one day and hit a huge squat PR. If you did, it would throw you around. Training in tight multi-ply gear is a whole new world. The grooves are different, and certain muscle groups have to be stronger.

If she can barely bench the bar raw, she’s getting at least 95 pounds out of her bench. I’d love to know what she’s doing to get that much carryover and still actually able to handle the weight and touch with such a gangsta shirt.

I mean, I just started playing around with a tight open back double ply and it’s going to take what I 3 board to touch. And that shirts only giving me 50-60 over that I bench raw. Sure, there are guys out there that can get 200+ out of their bench shirts, but these are guys that are already benching 600+ raw.

Don’t come on here saying random stupid shit when you have no idea what you are talking about.

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Man, I think it’s cool that she’s lifting and all, but come on, why is she wearing a Leviathan suit and a double-ply, open back shirt?

What’s so wrong with lifting raw at this age, and if you’re going to be using gear, how about single ply stuff like a Champ suit and a Blast shirt?

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[quote]elano wrote:

I dunno, I’ve never used the stuff. Just saying she wouldn’t have near as impressive #s without the gear.[/quote]

Youve never used gear? You dont know anything about it besides for that it helps? Maybe since you dont have a fucking clue as to what you are talking about, you could just hit the “back” button on your web browser instead of making asinine posts about things with which you have no experience.

Seriously. Not going to hijack, but there is a rant waiting to happen here.

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[quote]buckeye girl wrote:

My beef is that you paid any attention at all to the posts with videos of her lifting, or even the title of the album, you would have known how stupid it would have been to suggest that she’s being praised for being a mediocre athlete.

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Oops.

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I’m sensing a lot of defensiveness from the geared lifters. Whether a poster knows how gear works or not, it doesn’t justify the tone/language I’m seeing in the responses from geared lifters. Self-consciousness might do it though. Let’s try to be civil, eh?

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[quote]eic wrote:
I’m sensing a lot of defensiveness from the geared lifters. Whether a poster knows how gear works or not, it doesn’t justify the tone/language I’m seeing in the responses from geared lifters. Self-consciousness might do it though. Let’s try to be civil, eh?[/quote]

I dont know how much you hang around this forum, but the assumption that the “gear does the lifting” is pretty widespread amongst those who have no experience with it whatsoever. Its also very common for people with no experience with gear to make recommendations about how/when/why to start using it.

Its not defensiveness, its annoyance. There are people here who have been lifting for less than a year trying to pass off their advice as being highly qualified and pontificate on subjects abot which they have little to no actual knowledge.

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[quote]eic wrote:
I’m sensing a lot of defensiveness from the geared lifters. Whether a poster knows how gear works or not, it doesn’t justify the tone/language I’m seeing in the responses from geared lifters. Self-consciousness might do it though. Let’s try to be civil, eh?[/quote]

I lifted and competed raw for over a year before I started lifting with gear.

They are two completely different sports. While the weights may be higher with the gear, the skill level, concentration, and time required to use the gear justify what some may see as “inflated” numbers.

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[quote]Stronghold wrote:
eic wrote:
I’m sensing a lot of defensiveness from the geared lifters. Whether a poster knows how gear works or not, it doesn’t justify the tone/language I’m seeing in the responses from geared lifters. Self-consciousness might do it though. Let’s try to be civil, eh?

I dont know how much you hang around this forum, but the assumption that the “gear does the lifting” is pretty widespread amongst those who have no experience with it whatsoever. Its also very common for people with no experience with gear to make recommendations about how/when/why to start using it.

Its not defensiveness, its annoyance. There are people here who have been lifting for less than a year trying to pass off their advice as being highly qualified and pontificate on subjects abot which they have little to no actual knowledge.[/quote]

I guess I’ve never seen anyone claim that the gear does the lifting exclusively, only that it is an aid. If it wasn’t, why would you wear it? And if you aren’t man (or woman) enough to admit that you wear it because it helps your total, then perhaps it’s you who should stay quiet.

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How many people here lift in single ply gear?

There’s NO WAY, single ply lifting and raw lifting are totally different sports.

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[quote]eic wrote:
I guess I’ve never seen anyone claim that the gear does the lifting exclusively, only that it is an aid. If it wasn’t, why would you wear it? [/quote]

Check out the comments on any PL watch story. lol

I can only speak for myself, but I always explain that I’m an equipped lifter and that basically means that I wear supportive gear that affects my numbers.

I don’t personally know anyone that tries to pass off their multiply numbers as raw.

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[quote]eic wrote:
I guess I’ve never seen anyone claim that the gear does the lifting exclusively, only that it is an aid. If it wasn’t, why would you wear it? And if you aren’t man (or woman) enough to admit that you wear it because it helps your total, then perhaps it’s you who should stay quiet. [/quote]

Iv youve never seen that then pay more attention. People seem to think that if they were to get into the gear that equipped lifters wear, then they would instantly be as big and as strong as the people they are criticizing.

Gear helps, yes. But it also takes time to become proficient in and those guys putting up big numbers in however many plys of poly/denim/canvas/whatever are strong as hell outside of their gear too. The poster I was addressing earlier seemed to be implying that that extremely loose canvas suit (as in, she could fit fingers between the leg openings and the suit) was somehow lifting more than half of her squat for her. Ignorant comments from the uninformed. Thats what I was griping about.

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[quote]Hanley wrote:
How many people here lift in single ply gear?

There’s NO WAY, single ply lifting and raw lifting are totally different sports.[/quote]

Not AS different, but still different. I squat in multiply stuff, but I bench in a single ply katana, maybe its just me, but its completely different than benching raw.

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[quote]Hanley wrote:
How many people here lift in single ply gear?

There’s NO WAY, single ply lifting and raw lifting are totally different sports.[/quote]

I lift single-ply. I can’t even imagine how much fun multi-ply must be.

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[quote]Stronghold wrote:
Hanley wrote:
How many people here lift in single ply gear?

There’s NO WAY, single ply lifting and raw lifting are totally different sports.

Not AS different, but still different. I squat in multiply stuff, but I bench in a single ply katana, maybe its just me, but its completely different than benching raw.

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Squatting and deadlifting’s pretty much exactly the same in single ply gear. Benching is somewhat different, I’ll give you that.

but it’s not so far removed the stronger raw = stronger equipped. Which seems to be the case for tricked out multiply gear where top end strength and skill become the decisive factors. But that being said I’ve only 1x ply exp, so I can’t be sure.

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[quote]buckeye girl wrote:

Boy, you’ve got a lot to learn.

135 for ANY person that has been training for a while is a shitty deadlift number. We aren’t talking about random girls off the street, dumbfuck, we’re talking about female strength athletes.

The gear does not do the work for you, and if you had any experience with it at all, you would know that. You don’t just decide to throw on a canvas one day and hit a huge squat PR. If you did, it would throw you around. Training in tight multi-ply gear is a whole new world. The grooves are different, and certain muscle groups have to be stronger.

If she can barely bench the bar raw, she’s getting at least 95 pounds out of her bench. I’d love to know what she’s doing to get that much carryover and still actually able to handle the weight and touch with such a gangsta shirt.

I mean, I just started playing around with a tight open back double ply and it’s going to take what I 3 board to touch. And that shirts only giving me 50-60 over that I bench raw. Sure, there are guys out there that can get 200+ out of their bench shirts, but these are guys that are already benching 600+ raw.

Don’t come on here saying random stupid shit when you have no idea what you are talking about.[/quote]

I have a lot to learn? I hope so, it’s a big world. I bet you know everything though. As for me talking random shit, it makes more sense than half the dumbasses on this site. As for calling me a dumbfuck, REAL classy. I’m used to it though, my sister is a bitch.

[quote]Stronghold wrote:

Youve never used gear? You dont know anything about it besides for that it helps? Maybe since you dont have a fucking clue as to what you are talking about, you could just hit the “back” button on your web browser instead of making asinine posts about things with which you have no experience.

Seriously. Not going to hijack, but there is a rant waiting to happen here.[/quote]

I don’t have anything against geared lifters dude, dont get so defensive. I admit that I was wrong about the squat suit helping her lift over half the weight. That prob isn’t right. I know the dudes who lift in gear are really strong without it too, I’m not a dumbass. Just pointing out that the little girl’s raw lifts are probably not that impressive.

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[quote]elano wrote:
I have a lot to learn? I hope so, it’s a big world. I bet you know everything though. As for me talking random shit, it makes more sense than half the dumbasses on this site. You mention that your getting 60# out of a shirt you just started using. If the girl in the photo is getting that much out of her suit it would make up close to half of her bench so don’t jump on me for saying that the gear is helping her lift the weight just because you wear gear and feel offended. As for calling me a dumbfuck? Real classy. I’m used to it though, my sister is a bitch.
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No. I don’t know everything. That’s why I don’t go over to the BB forum and talk about hypertrophy tell all the skinny guys how to get teh jack. I have a lot to learn about gear too, but hey, at least I know that it doesn’t do the work for you.

That shirt that I “just started using” is a new double ply poly open back shirt that is far from being totally jacked. I’ve been doing shirt work for a year now. I got about 10 pounds out of my original single ply shirt when I first started using it.

My point is that if her shirt is anywhere near as ridiculous as mine, she wouldn’t be able to get something as light as 140, let alone 110, down to her chest.

Also…I’m not offended by my own use of powerlifting gear. I know what I get out of it. I’ve never tried to pass my competition lifts as raw lifts. I’ll tell you flat out that my numbers suck raw, single ply or multi ply.

What gets really annoying is when non-powerlifters come on here and start bitching about how gear is cheating/it does all the work/equipped lifters aren’t actually strong/whatever. When they’ve never even seen a squat suit in person, let alone trained in one.

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[quote]elano wrote:
DragnCarry wrote:

You’re not going to make depth with gear that will give you 100lb carry-over if you’re only lifting 180lb. It doesn’t work that way.

I dunno, I’ve never used the stuff. Just saying she wouldn’t have near as impressive #s without the gear.[/quote]

Who cares what she could do without gear- in this sport, in that fed, you use gear. That’s how it’s done. How fast could Dale Earnhardt run? Who gives a shit. He drove race cars.

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Gear(squat suits, bench shirts, etc…) does not “lift the weight for you” it reduces the effort and stabilizes the ECCENTRIC part of the lift while allowing the lifter to retain the stretch reflex not available in concentric only lifting.

If anything using gear is SAFER while lifting maximal loads because more stress and most microtrauma is caused in the eccentric part of the lift, IF the overall programming of the lifters training is BALANCED and allows for adequate REST AND RECOVERY METHODS.

For young people this balance and intelligent programming is especially important, because the accelerated growth in a young person creates a more dynamic environment that must be considered and accommodated in the progression and revisions of the athletes programming. This last point is what separates the young athlete from a more static(in terms of growth) athlete.

All IMHO of course.

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[quote]buckeye girl wrote:

No. I don’t know everything. That’s why I don’t go over to the BB forum and talk about hypertrophy tell all the skinny guys how to get teh jack. I have a lot to learn about gear too, but hey, at least I know that it doesn’t do the work for you.

That shirt that I “just started using” is a new double ply poly open back shirt that is far from being totally jacked. I’ve been doing shirt work for a year now. I got about 10 pounds out of my original single ply shirt when I first started using it.

My point is that if her shirt is anywhere near as ridiculous as mine, she wouldn’t be able to get something as light as 140, let alone 110, down to her chest.[/quote]

I see your point, but I’m not trying to argue about what shirt or suit helps you lift more weight. I don’t know enough about it. I’m tired of arguing about this sh*t really. It’s pointless. I just hate when people say somebody benched 140 @ 82 or squatted 185 @ 82 without mentioning they were equipped. I can understand if they were just wearing a belt, not when they are completely geared up. It’s not the same.

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Gee, I actually had to check if I’m not accidentally reading the bb forum here…

Same amount of semi-trolling and people not even involved in a sport giving their expert opinion on it.