What Do You Think of This Picture?

[quote]elano wrote:
buckeye girl wrote:

No. I don’t know everything. That’s why I don’t go over to the BB forum and talk about hypertrophy tell all the skinny guys how to get teh jack. I have a lot to learn about gear too, but hey, at least I know that it doesn’t do the work for you.

That shirt that I “just started using” is a new double ply poly open back shirt that is far from being totally jacked. I’ve been doing shirt work for a year now. I got about 10 pounds out of my original single ply shirt when I first started using it.

My point is that if her shirt is anywhere near as ridiculous as mine, she wouldn’t be able to get something as light as 140, let alone 110, down to her chest.

I see your point, but I’m not trying to argue about what shirt or suit helps you lift more weight. I don’t know enough about it. I’m tired of arguing about this sh*t really. It’s pointless. I just hate when people say somebody benched 140 @ 82 or squatted 185 @ 82 without mentioning they were equipped. I can understand if they were just wearing a belt, not when they are completely geared up. It’s not the same.[/quote]

Sure it sucks when someone does that, but that girl didn’t ?

Come on now… It’s not like she’s competing against raw lifters or anything.

I was going to write, “I really like these threads. They give us a pretty clear picture of who has opinions that are worthwhile listening to, and whose opinions are worthless.” and just leave it at that.

but seriously…

[quote]elano wrote:
Just pointing out that the little girl’s raw lifts are probably not that impressive.[/quote]

Seriously? That is your point in this thread, to point to a prepubescent female and say “yeah, but her unequipped numbers arent great.” Do you realize how pathetic that is?

[quote]Hanley wrote:
How many people here lift in single ply gear?

There’s NO WAY, single ply lifting and raw lifting are totally different sports.[/quote]

They oughta be different. You just need to wear some tighter gear, brother. I remember the first poly shirt I tried. Just a single ply Rage X custom-made for a thick 198 class lifter. I weighed about 240 or 245 at the time. I spent a few weeks trying to break it in.

The lowest I ever got 495 in that shirt was about 3 board height. I probably needed 600+ to touch (way more than I could have remotely handled or locked out at that time). I think Mark Bell recently broke the USPF bench record with an 804 or 826 in single Katana. Single shirts, if done right, have a lot of pop.

I think the old single ply (champion suits and blast shirts) was a lot like raw, but things have changed.

[quote]Hanley wrote:
How many people here lift in single ply gear?

There’s NO WAY, single ply lifting and raw lifting are totally different sports.[/quote]

me, but been trainign raw recently. From my limited experience they are practically the same thing, in training. Mild change of the strength curve, and higher pounages used.

However If/when my kids compete in their first meet, they won’t be doing it in a 300$ leviathan. They will probably do it raw or in cheap single ply.

[quote]Cephalic_Carnage wrote:
elano wrote:
buckeye girl wrote:

No. I don’t know everything. That’s why I don’t go over to the BB forum and talk about hypertrophy tell all the skinny guys how to get teh jack. I have a lot to learn about gear too, but hey, at least I know that it doesn’t do the work for you.

That shirt that I “just started using” is a new double ply poly open back shirt that is far from being totally jacked. I’ve been doing shirt work for a year now. I got about 10 pounds out of my original single ply shirt when I first started using it.

My point is that if her shirt is anywhere near as ridiculous as mine, she wouldn’t be able to get something as light as 140, let alone 110, down to her chest.

I see your point, but I’m not trying to argue about what shirt or suit helps you lift more weight. I don’t know enough about it. I’m tired of arguing about this sh*t really. It’s pointless. I just hate when people say somebody benched 140 @ 82 or squatted 185 @ 82 without mentioning they were equipped. I can understand if they were just wearing a belt, not when they are completely geared up. It’s not the same.

Sure it sucks when someone does that, but that girl didn’t ?

Come on now… It’s not like she’s competing against raw lifters or anything.

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CC,
Enough of this common sense. Everyone knows that common sense on the interwebz will not be tolerated.

I’d hit it.

/looks around, slowly backs away

[quote]FightingScott wrote:
buckeye girl wrote:
FightingScott wrote:
(1) What’s on the bar. I’m tired of seeing women get applauded for deadlifting 135. They’re human beings. A lot of times it seems like all this “girl power” bullshit goes too far and you end up seeing young women get a lot of praise for not really doing anything but show up. And that ends up being degrading.

Who are these people that are applauding women who aren’t moving a significant amount of weight?

It can’t be the general public because they’re too busy telling us that heavy weights will make us manly and that our callused hands are disgusting. And, it certainly isn’t the powerlifting community that I’m a part of. I mean, I’ve never heard any sort of girl power reference. When I PR, I hear “Good job. You sucked less than usual”.

To applaud mediocrity is absurd, but I do think that (aspiring) female strength athletes should be encouraged. Do you know how hard it is to call up a coach and tell him you want to compete in whatever strength sport?

Or maybe how scary walking into a gym, where some of the strongest men in the country train, for the first time?

I fell in love with lifting when I was in middle school, when my gym class got a little tour and explanation of the weight room. It took me about 6 years to get the courage to actually step foot in a gym and start lifting.

I wish there was someone there encouraging me when I was younger. Someone telling me that it was not only ok, but awesome that I was interested in lifting. But, I don’t know, maybe I was just too much of a wuss and cared too much about what others would think…

Oh, and considering that she’s BENCHED 140 at 80-some pounds, I highly doubt shes only squatting the bar. Dumbass.

I think I’ve been misunderstood.

I see mediocrity being applauded everywhere. Maybe it’s just not happening in powerlifting. But go to any High School Track Meet where the fat girls AND the fat guys are competing, and I think you’ll understand what I’m getting at.

Maybe this kind of crap doesn’t exist in powerlifting. I don’t know. But applauding mediocrity is pretty prevalent anywhere you look in America where kids under the age of 18 are involved.

Weak girls who go through the motions of making a 10 foot effort in the shot put are applauded because dumbasses underestimate what levels of physical strength they’re capable of. Fat, weak guys get patted on the back for being big and strong just because they take up a lot of space and signed up for the football team.

The “girl power bullshit” I was referring to is the exceedingly low expectations I see for girls in athletics around the country. Again, I’m getting the feeling it probably doesn’t exist in powerlifitng. But women’s lacrosse comes to mind. Sorry, but that sport seems like a joke to me - you can’t steal the ball from anyone?

It just seems to me like there are a lot of over-supportive coaches and soccer mom types out there who are way too quick to yell “Yay! Good for you!” when female athletes do anything at all because the ones doing the cheering have such low expectations of what women are capable of. And that sucks.

You’ll really understand what I’m getting at if you ever watch one of the MTV Made Episodes where it’s pretty obvious that the kid in the show has failed miserably.

I had no idea who this girl was. What I meant to say in my post was:

IF she’s moving serious weight and pushing herself, that’s cool. An 80lb girl (EDIT: An 80lb Person of any age) Squatting 180lbs is cool in the same way that a 242 Greg Panora Squatting 1050 is cool.

IF she’s just squatting the bar, that’s a joke. Just because she’s a child and a girl doesn’t mean that showing up to Squat a bar is an accomplishment. Expect more from her!

BUT I DIDN’T KNOW WHICH WAS THE CASE

I thought that was pretty clear. Is the picture a picture of someone working hard or someone going through the motions? Judging by the pic alone, I can’t tell.

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Here is the deal. If people do the best they can - that should be applauded to some degree, even if their results are mediocre compared to the population…of course it better well be the best they can.

Yet, in life, sometimes your best just isn’t good enough; and there will be people better than you at whatever it may be. In those cases you should give way, learn your place, and applaud those better than you for developing their abilities to their fullest.

And the people that are champions in their game ought not look down on those who are not(because one little car accident can make them into a slobbering little vegetable); the champions are to lead the rest of us and inspire us - not make us feel like worthless trash (although a certain percentage of us are - but only because they lacked the character to develop whatever talent, or genetic potential they had).

[quote]Pinto wrote:
Hanley wrote:
How many people here lift in single ply gear?

There’s NO WAY, single ply lifting and raw lifting are totally different sports.

They oughta be different. You just need to wear some tighter gear, brother. I remember the first poly shirt I tried. Just a single ply Rage X custom-made for a thick 198 class lifter. I weighed about 240 or 245 at the time. I spent a few weeks trying to break it in.

The lowest I ever got 495 in that shirt was about 3 board height. I probably needed 600+ to touch (way more than I could have remotely handled or locked out at that time). I think Mark Bell recently broke the USPF bench record with an 804 or 826 in single Katana. Single shirts, if done right, have a lot of pop.

I think the old single ply (champion suits and blast shirts) was a lot like raw, but things have changed.

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I’ve already said the bench is different… Sure I’ve a 1x Katana that took over 180kg/400lb to touch when I first got into it (sized to chest), and now that I’ve gained 10kg, I shudder to think what it’ll take!!

At the same time I’ve a single ply centurion which took about 550lb to get to parallel in when I first got it (sized to hips -1), and it’s not a whole lot different than squatting raw. And again, now I’m 10kg heavier I can’t even get into it.

Well I tried and failed, I’ll get into when I have to in a couple of months. At that stage it’ll probably be hips -3 to -5. Probably take 600 to get below then!

[quote]Hanley wrote:
Pinto wrote:
Hanley wrote:
How many people here lift in single ply gear?

There’s NO WAY, single ply lifting and raw lifting are totally different sports.

They oughta be different. You just need to wear some tighter gear, brother. I remember the first poly shirt I tried. Just a single ply Rage X custom-made for a thick 198 class lifter. I weighed about 240 or 245 at the time. I spent a few weeks trying to break it in.

The lowest I ever got 495 in that shirt was about 3 board height. I probably needed 600+ to touch (way more than I could have remotely handled or locked out at that time). I think Mark Bell recently broke the USPF bench record with an 804 or 826 in single Katana. Single shirts, if done right, have a lot of pop.

I think the old single ply (champion suits and blast shirts) was a lot like raw, but things have changed.

I’ve already said the bench is different… Sure I’ve a 1x Katana that took over 180kg/400lb to touch when I first got into it (sized to chest), and now that I’ve gained 10kg, I shudder to think what it’ll take!!

At the same time I’ve a single ply centurion which took about 550lb to get to parallel in when I first got it (sized to hips -1), and it’s not a whole lot different than squatting raw. And again, now I’m 10kg heavier I can’t even get into it.

Well I tried and failed, I’ll get into when I have to in a couple of months. At that stage it’ll probably be hips -3 to -5. Probably take 600 to get below then![/quote]

Just to clarify, James, are you saying that single ply is not a totally different sport because the numbers arent that different, or because the form used is similar (ie less “technique” work is necessary)?

[quote]KBCThird wrote:

Seriously? That is your point in this thread, to point to a prepubescent female and say “yeah, but her unequipped numbers arent great.” Do you realize how pathetic that is?[/quote]

hahaha.

As for single ply gear, Iv got a Katana that took nearly 350 lbs just to get to a 4 board the first time I tried it out.

I completely give up. You guys win. Gear doesn’t matter. Her strength is impressive, her numbers are impressive.

[quote]elano wrote:
She didn’t look very happy in that pic did she.[/quote]

Would you be happy if your dad whored you in front of cameras all the time and made you lift heavy weights when all you want to do is play dress-up with your dolls?

She’s the bread winner of that family and her dad does not make any pretenses about it.

[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
elano wrote:
She didn’t look very happy in that pic did she.

Would you be happy if your dad whored you in front of cameras all the time and made you lift heavy weights when all you want to do is play dress-up with your dolls?

She’s the bread winner of that family and her dad does not make any pretenses about it.[/quote]

Haha, what are you talking about she gets to play dress up with powerlifting gear. She gets to to play with her barbells, what little girl wouldn’t be happy?

/sarcasm

meh

[quote]apayne wrote:
I’d hit it.

/looks around, slowly backs away[/quote]

Second Time in the last 3 months I’ve covered my screen in chew spit reading something on this site.

Holy Hell dude, Bravo!

I dunno who your callin’ a troll.

[quote]KBCThird wrote:
Hanley wrote:
Pinto wrote:
Hanley wrote:
How many people here lift in single ply gear?

There’s NO WAY, single ply lifting and raw lifting are totally different sports.

They oughta be different. You just need to wear some tighter gear, brother. I remember the first poly shirt I tried. Just a single ply Rage X custom-made for a thick 198 class lifter. I weighed about 240 or 245 at the time. I spent a few weeks trying to break it in.

The lowest I ever got 495 in that shirt was about 3 board height. I probably needed 600+ to touch (way more than I could have remotely handled or locked out at that time). I think Mark Bell recently broke the USPF bench record with an 804 or 826 in single Katana. Single shirts, if done right, have a lot of pop.

I think the old single ply (champion suits and blast shirts) was a lot like raw, but things have changed.

I’ve already said the bench is different… Sure I’ve a 1x Katana that took over 180kg/400lb to touch when I first got into it (sized to chest), and now that I’ve gained 10kg, I shudder to think what it’ll take!!

At the same time I’ve a single ply centurion which took about 550lb to get to parallel in when I first got it (sized to hips -1), and it’s not a whole lot different than squatting raw. And again, now I’m 10kg heavier I can’t even get into it.

Well I tried and failed, I’ll get into when I have to in a couple of months. At that stage it’ll probably be hips -3 to -5. Probably take 600 to get below then!

Just to clarify, James, are you saying that single ply is not a totally different sport because the numbers arent that different, or because the form used is similar (ie less “technique” work is necessary)?[/quote]

Nah it’s cos the form’s similar.

Look at the IPF in particular, generally squats look like they would raw, and with the ban on belly benching, it looks fairly similar too.

But when you go to multiply and sit back into your squats so much that you’d fall arse over tit if you were to attempt it raw, or literally pull the bar down towards your balls and throw it back towards your face when pressing, that’s where it changes , imo.

Anyone who knows me knows I don’t knock multiply gear, and I actually would love to do a meet or two in the coming years, but that’s where I draw my line on where powerlifting moves into two different sports.

Elano - I did try to warn you, LOL

You should try it, I noticed on another thread you were trying to decide which sport to take up. Lifting in gear is fun and, arguably, better for your joints in the long term.

For the record, if someone lifts more in gear than me in the same fed I would consider them to be the better lifter (as would the results board) - even if I lifted more raw.

It’s just like any other sport in that regard.

[quote]DragnCarry wrote:
Elano - I did try to warn you, LOL

You should try it, I noticed on another thread you were trying to decide which sport to take up. Lifting in gear is fun and, arguably, better for your joints in the long term.

For the record, if someone lifts more in gear than me in the same fed I would consider them to be the better lifter (as would the results board) - even if I lifted more raw.

It’s just like any other sport in that regard.[/quote]

Yeah you did. There’s a chance that I might use gear one of these days. I already asked my mom for a belt and shoes for x-mas. So it begins LOL.

[quote]Hanley wrote:
How many people here lift in single ply gear?

There’s NO WAY, single ply lifting and raw lifting are totally different sports.[/quote]

I don’t know, once you throw on the gear, it totally a different lift, at least for me. I totally alter my technique to get more out of my lifts in any gear.