Westside/PLing Training Thread

[quote]Pemdas wrote:
AshyLarry wrote:
Pemdas wrote:

I think that you go too heavy on your accessory stuff. I go heavy on accessory stuff sometime, but not every session and if I do its more like this:

Week 1 80x4x6 I would call this rep/set scheme pretty heavy, but I try to increase the volume each week.
Week 2 80x5x6
Week 3 80x4x8
Week 4 80x5x8

Supplemental stuff is different. A heavy tri movement for sets of 3-5 after bench or a heavy hamstring movement after squats is fine, but I think that you will have better results with more volume on the accessory stuff. Plus, it will increase your work capacity.

Also, The cable row and pendly row is pretty similar. I would have just done 5-8 sets of one of them. You can always rotate one out for there other later.

I see what you’re saying. I’ve been trying different rep/set schemes for little 2/3 week intervals but I don’t think I’ve found anything that works and I like. When I go lighter with more sets/reps it doesn’t seem to “challenge” me as much as going heavy for less. I’ll try anything out though, so if it could be beneficial to try what you’re saying, I’ll do it.

I did both rows today because after 3 sets of the prow my lower back was killing me still(carry over from Monday) and I didn’t want to only do 3 sets for back. Normally I don’t do overlapping stuff, or at least I try not to.

Little unrelated but, do you think 3 board press after my ME lift could be beneficial for me at this stage? Or should I keep with the DB’s for now?

I tend to rotate my accessory work every 4-5 weeks. The first week back to a movement is usually on the lighter side, but I up the weight each week and try to beat my best record before I switch movements again. Accessory work shouldn’t be an all out effort. I remember you saying that you thought you might being doing to much volume on ME day. I don’t even think you come close to that, but you are pretty consistently lifting a high intensity which will burn you out eventually. Doing a 4x6 or 4x5 for every movement is asking for trouble especially with the max effort stuff on top of it. Just work the muscle the weight will follow.

If your lower back hurts doing BOR rows or some form of them it mean that you are not bracing your abs or they are too weak for weight you are using.

The most important thing for you to work on in your bench right now is bringing the bar down in strait line. Because heavy weight will almost definitly break your form. I am not sure heavy 3-Board work is appropriate right now. Maybe doing it for like sets of 6 with something you know you can hit for 8 would be ok. If anything floor press is going to help you the most. Don’t worry about weight. If you worry about weight then it is only going to reinforce bad movement patterns. Specifically focus on getting both arms to touch the floor at the same time. This not going to fix itself in one session. You need to give it time.

I have a theory that one of your lats is significantly stronger then other one. This would explain why you flare one side really bad.

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Thats a great tip for touching evenly on the floor to ensure good, equat lat stability. Also, try rack lockouts lying on the floor…gives you an opportunity to work on top end work but still force your lats to fire properly since you dont have the rest of the body to depend on for stability. Take it a step further and Floor press with your legs straight and feet crossed. I learned that from Mike Wolfe and thought he was joking around when he did it but then he explained it makes the lift tremendously harder.

This is a repost from another thread, but just looking for some feedback on whether or not the speed of my squats here looks about right…?

If that was 50% then I know that you can go faster. With no bands or chain that should practically fly off your back especially with a belt on. If you are going to use strait weight then I would use more like 60-70%. You are a little slow off of the box. I don’t think that you are staying tight on the box. You should be as tight as you would be if that 190K

Hanley,

You speed might ok, but I still think over time you can get a lot faster. The thing with speed squats is that is hard to tell how much force a lifter is exerting based on a video. I still think that you are not as tight as you should be on the box. As general rule of thumb…if you feel like you didn’t really train after your done with speed squats then you weren’t doing them right. It is light weight, but it should still be hard because of how fast you are trying to move them. I have had my legs shake more from DE work then ME work.

3-10
ME UPPER
Dynamic warm up
4 sets of lat pulls
floor press assisted with mini bands all reps paused
13510
185
3
2253
275
3
3151
365
1
4051
430
1
4551
475
1

band push downs 4 sets 50 with green bands
dumbbell rows 4 sets 10 with 50 dumbbell

elbows are feeling better been going to massage, ice, and anti inflamatories for two weeks now.

3-12
dynamic warm up
reverse hyper 210
decline abs 2
10

safety bar off box and foam pad
bar10
150
10
240*2 3 sets
270**2 5 sets

Glute Hams 3 sets 10
band leg curls 2 sets 20
land mines 50lbs 2 sets 5
leg ext 70 lbs 2 sets 20 reps

3-13
RE upper
dynamic warm up, shoulder complexes
dumbbell cling 1510 2510
band face pulls 2 sets 10
inverted lat bar pull downs 10010 12510 150*10

flat bench
9510
135
10
18510
225
10
27510
315
16 this was a pr for reps with 315!!!

dumbbell row 100*10
v bar pull downs 200 4 sets 5 reps

pin press 2755 3655 4555
dumbbell skull crushers 50
10 6010 7010

grip work hex dumbbell holds 5 sets
captains of crush gripper 5 sets

Lat tower abs 10010 12510
land mines 255 505

Meet is four weeks from saturday! Since I blew out my bench shirt last time I used it I still dont have a shirt, ordered one but had to send it back it was to small, I may just bench raw, be kinda strange I guesse lifting in multi ply meet raw. I believe I can pause 425-450 raw so just have to wait and see. What do you guys recommend for my next few sessions to focus on raw bench? I have not maxed out raw in years?

Mountainman2007, I don’t have any experience lifting in a shirt, so I don’t really know how different it is, but my guess is that you need to get used to not having that pop off your chest and you probably will want to bring the bar down higher then you are used to. Do you use a lot of leg drive? Driving really hard will give you more an explosion off the chest, so if your not used to driving really hard I might practice that.

Also, you might want to work on getting the bar down faster. I know in a shirt it kind of tends to be slow, but with a pause and no shirt you don’t want to waste any energy getting the bar down.

[quote]Mountainman2007 wrote:

Meet is four weeks from saturday! Since I blew out my bench shirt last time I used it I still dont have a shirt, ordered one but had to send it back it was to small, I may just bench raw, be kinda strange I guesse lifting in multi ply meet raw. I believe I can pause 425-450 raw so just have to wait and see. What do you guys recommend for my next few sessions to focus on raw bench? I have not maxed out raw in years?
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Damn shirt blow outs. I’m lucky I haven’t had one happen to me yet. Will you try lifting in the meet with the new shirt if it gets to you in time? If it is a shirt that you are familiar with (Inzer RageX double if I recall) in terms of the groove, then a replacement should work fine even if you get it late. I bought a new shirt prior to my last meet as my older shirt was getting way stretched out. I ordered the same brand, size, etc. and it was no problem since I was so familiar with the groove and touch points.

However, if the above scenario isn’t an option, and you want to lift RAAAAWWWWWW at the meet I wouldn’t take anything near what you would expect to be a raw max in training. I’d probably do multiple singles (say 3-5) with a weight that’s like 80-90% (95% at most), with pauses, etc. For the 2nd exercise, I’d do something like a 3-board and work up to a heavy triple. BTW, what meet were you going to lift in? If you’re interested in driving a bit, the IPA is finally coming back to Virginia and will be having the IPA VA states on May 3rd. It’ll be in Fredericksburg, which is about 40 minutes away from DC. Should be a big meet.

This is what I’m going to start tomorrow, I changed the DE days to an SE day (For dynamic isometric or repetion work.) I’m using it as a repetition day, with 5x5 parameters, for now as I need more hypertrophy. I plan on changing up the rep scheme For the RE day ever 4-8 weeks.

SE Bench
Incline Bench
5x5
2min rest
xClose Grip Bench
3x3
2 min rest

Military Press
2x5
2 min rest

Lat Pull Down (Chin Grip)
3x6-12
90s rest

Rear Delt Fly
2x10-12
60s rest

Prehab: DB External Roation
3x15
30s rest

Prehab: Push Up Plus
2x15
30s rest

ME Squat/DL
Squat
3x3-5
3 min

Bulgarian Squat
2x6-10
45s

45 Back Raise
3x6-10
90s

Pull Through
4x10-15
60s

Shrugs
2x10-15
60s

Wood Chops
2x10-12
45s

ME Bench
Floor Press
3x3-5
3 min

BB Row
3x4-6
2 min

DB Incline Bench
2x10-15
60s

Neck Crusher
3x8-12
90s

Face Pulls
3x8-12
90s

Prehab Preacher Curl
2x10-15
60s

Prehab: Cable External Rotation
3x15-20
30s

SE Squat/DL
Front Squat
5x5
2 min

Good Morning
3x3-5
2 min

Back Raise
2x10-15
60s

Kroc Row
3x8-12
90s

Cable Abs
4x6-10
90s

Prehab: TKE
3x10
30s

DE Lower

Free Squats
245x6x2

Speed-Pulls
315x1x3
335x1
365x1

SLDL
235x2x15

Ab-Wheel
3x10

DONE!

Meet 3/29, so I am about 2 weeks out. I felt really good and strong today. It was hard to force myself not to go heavy, but that’s a good sign.

3/14/08: DE Lower

Box Squat:
45x8
Chains
45x8
95x5
135x3
185x2
205x2x10

Sumo Dead against bands:
225x1x10

GM’s:
135x8x3

Ab Pulldown:
95x10x4

Thanks for the advise about benching with out the shirt! I will be lifting in the APC meet in Athens GA. I would like to try an IPA meet, have heard they are pretty fun.

3-15
ME Lower
dynamic warm up, foam roller, reverse hypers

free squats
we had a couple of visitors come up to day, one was a new guy, he came up on monday, I asked him what his maxes were he said 315 squat and 215 bench. This guy looked like a damn line backer strong as hell, worked on his form on bench and squat he benched 300, put him in a loose single ply suit and he squatted 500 about one inch above parrell! He said he was done with the damn body building fitness center he trains at, he is going to make the 45 minute drive two days a week.

here is what I did
raw 1405
230
3
3203
briefs
410
1
briefs +belt
5001
suit straps down
600
1
suit straps up
650*3
one guy had a camera first rep was high next two were real low felt like I had another set but my damn elbows were killing me.

Jamie Davis our strongest lifter hit 755 for a low triple! He is competing in USAPL on april 5th, That is in a single ply suit. no briefs and 2 meter wraps!

Great work out! 4 weeks!

Thurs 3/13 extra arm workout
just 8 sets of db arm stuff

Fri 3/14/08 M.E Lower

I came to the gym thinking that I was just going to help matt spot and load with good mornings because I tweaked something legitimate in my back wednesday night benching, nothing major, but i knew it was a familiar feeling and would take a visit to my favorite chiropractor to fix it. Then curiousity killed the cat and I started to warmup to see how it felt, felt good so I went ahead

Did a bunch of reverse hypers to warm up
Cambered squat bar concentric good mornings with a doubled mini band on each side
330x1, 380x1, 420x1, 470x1, 515x1
515 was literally the slowest max effort rep I have ever successfully attempted, I literally came to a stop halfway up and had time to register a thought wondering if i was going to get it or not ! :slight_smile: I grinded it out though
Not a bad day considering my back!

7x10 on reverse hyper, last two sets at 100

ab circuit 2 x through
Face down plank with one leg off ground x30 sec
alternating leg raise x20 reps
leg raise x20 reps

Hanging leg raise 2x20
superset
seated green band leg curls 2x20

I like how I can good morning over 500lbs plus band tension but I cant wash the dishes without feeling a knife in my back :slight_smile: Powerlifting

got an appointment monday morning before circa max for lower body starts Monday night. Circa Max for upper body begins tomorrow

Hanley,

I think from solely seeing the video, your form and speed are solid. The other reccomendations are definitely worth merit, but those are things I would assume you are aware of since you have some experience. What kind of weights and percentages do you typically use?

[quote]harbinjc wrote:
Hanley,

I think from solely seeing the video, your form and speed are solid. The other reccomendations are definitely worth merit, but those are things I would assume you are aware of since you have some experience. What kind of weights and percentages do you typically use?[/quote]

Simple answer is, I don’t!! The last 5 or 6 weeks were my first on a box, I don’t know if that changes things or not… I’m pretty happy with 190kg off a below parallel one. I don’t think it’s the sort of thing your just hit without at least a decent level of strength.

Sun 3/16/08 DE Upper
Circa Max Week 1
speed bench with doubled mini+ 1 chain per side
6x3@45% (190) All felt great
Ez bar skullcrushers with chains attached
worked up to 2x6 with 75lbs bar weight+60lbs chain on each side, these were a doozy
DB lateral raise 3x8@45 ss Green band face pull 3x15

Today was a great start.

I hurt my fucking back again, I was doing deadlifts and when I got to my first work set I felt my back go before the bar even cleared the ground. I guess this is another wasted week.

3/16/08: DE Upper

Bench:
45x10x2
95x8
135x5
185x6
185x5
180x5x2

Couldn’t get the 6th reps at all…

Floor Press:
45x10
135x8x5

By the 3rd/4th set I was consistently hitting the ground with both arms at the same time.

Cable Row:
190x8x3

Reverse Shoulder Press:
25x10x3

curls

3/15

DE Upper

Strait Weight
155x3x5
185x1x3 w/commands
225x1 w/commands

Tri Pushdowns w/Purple Band
3x20

Pullup
BWx16
Chinup
BWx15

DONE!! Exactly 2 weeks out today.

3/17/08: ME Lower

Box Squat:
45x10x2
135x5
185x5
225x3
275x3
315x3
365x3 (Rep PR)
405x1
425x1 (+10 PR)

Kneeling Squat:
315x8x2
275x12

Reverse Band hyper thing:
purple band x12x2, x10

Ab Pulldown:
95x8x3

Originally I was going to triple today thinking 365 would be the end of it, but it was easy as hell. So I singled and hit a good PR.

My lower back is sore though so I decided against sldl’s. I’m going to be laying on the pvc for a long time tonight…

Monday 3/17/08
conditioning, extra work
I will start keeping track of conditioning in my log now that it is my final cycle just so i can see it in writing

Hit a bucket of balls in batting cage
6x8 seated neutral grip row, last set at 210

Pulled sled for 800 yds with 140lbs