Westside/PLing Training Thread

1/16/2008 DE lower
squat
bar x 5
95 x 3
135 x 3
185 x 3
235 x 2, 2, 2
245 x 2, 2, 2
255 x 2, 2

deads against monster minis
135 x 1 x 8

shrugs
225 x 10
315 x 20 (straps)
315 x hold 19 seconds
315 x 20 (straps)
315 x hold 13 seconds
315 x 15 (straps)
315 x hold 13 seconds

straight leg situps
BW x 12
10 x 12
25 x 5, 10

cable side bends
70 x 12, 12, 12

Done! Felt pretty good on the squats. Something in my hip felt kinda funny on one of the reps and I brought my stance in. I forgot to do my warmup so go figure Shocked

On the shrugs I did the set with straps then rested about a minute and did a hold with just chalk. Tried to beat 13 on that last one and just couldn’t hold it. Kinda fun and I think it will help me a lot with my grip.

RE lower
I have been using the bands for a couple of weeks decided to just do some reps tonight. Knees were killing me, felt kinda week.

dynamic warm up
lat abs 1001010
RH 180 210
TKE 2
20

box squat
14010
230
10
old inzer briefs
32010
belf
410
5
5005
590
5
500*5

2008.01.16

Sheiko #32 Week 1 Day 2

Squat
235x3x1
280x3x2
325x2x2
375x2x1
420x1x1
465x1x1 25lb PR 465lb Squat - YouTube
470x1x1 30lb PR 470lb Squat - YouTube

Bench Press
135x3x1
160x3x1
185x2x2
215x2x1
240x1x1
265x0x2
255x1x1 15lb PR

Deadlift
280x3x1
335x2x1
390x2x2
445x1x1
500x1x1
555x0x1

Not nearly enough sleep last night and I spent part of today cleaning up around the house to ensure domestic tranquility, so I was not as rested as I would have liked. The squats were great. The 265 on bench was so close but stalled out six inches from my chest each time. The second time, I thought I was going to get it, but my back slipped on the bench. I ate my pride and dropped it down 10lbs for a 15lb paused bench press PR. The 500lb rep on the deadlift went up much faster than the 500lb reps from last week, but 555 was just NOT going to happen tonight. When I lifted in the meet back in August, there was at least 6 hours between my squats and deadlifts. This session was finished and all the weight put away in under 1:45. I suppose I might have to drop my expectations within the confines of this type of testing. All in all, I’m pleased with the progress and will be testing again in three weeks.

Re: the videos. I know the 470lb lift would’ve been redlighted because my heel came up, but I’m counting it as a gym PR. Given how easy the 465lb lift was, I’m thinking I have more in the tank for when I test again in three weeks.

[quote]Pemdas wrote:
AD -

I pretty sure you have been doing full range of motion for all your bench work. I don’t think that an incline, decline, flat is a good rotation. [/quote]

Thanks for the input, Pemdas.

Which one should be eliminated? The Decline?

Seems that flat bench is obvious as to the fact it should be included.

Articles on Elite say Incline is a great choice for the raw lifter.

So you’re suggesting more floor presses and boards?

AD

[quote]ChaseT wrote:
2008.01.16

Sheiko #32 Week 1 Day 2

Squat
235x3x1
280x3x2
325x2x2
375x2x1
420x1x1
465x1x1 25lb PR 465lb Squat - YouTube
470x1x1 30lb PR 470lb Squat - YouTube

Bench Press
135x3x1
160x3x1
185x2x2
215x2x1
240x1x1
265x0x2
255x1x1 15lb PR

Deadlift
280x3x1
335x2x1
390x2x2
445x1x1
500x1x1
555x0x1

Not nearly enough sleep last night and I spent part of today cleaning up around the house to ensure domestic tranquility, so I was not as rested as I would have liked. The squats were great. The 265 on bench was so close but stalled out six inches from my chest each time. The second time, I thought I was going to get it, but my back slipped on the bench. I ate my pride and dropped it down 10lbs for a 15lb paused bench press PR. The 500lb rep on the deadlift went up much faster than the 500lb reps from last week, but 555 was just NOT going to happen tonight. When I lifted in the meet back in August, there was at least 6 hours between my squats and deadlifts. This session was finished and all the weight put away in under 1:45. I suppose I might have to drop my expectations within the confines of this type of testing. All in all, I’m pleased with the progress and will be testing again in three weeks.

Re: the videos. I know the 470lb lift would’ve been redlighted because my heel came up, but I’m counting it as a gym PR. Given how easy the 465lb lift was, I’m thinking I have more in the tank for when I test again in three weeks.[/quote]

Good job on the lifts. I was going to nitpick about the 470# squat attempt, but then I read the end of your post. Another consideration for your squat: maybe not go quite so deep :wink: Seriously, though, you left no doubt about depth, but possibly cut a couple inches off if it’s comfortable for you.

[quote]novaeer wrote:
AlphaDragon wrote:
ME Upper

Decline Bench:
barx10
40kg x8
60kg x5
80kg x3
100kg x1
120kg x0 (I probably had it but as I was doing an “eyepopping” struggle, my “spotter” made a reach for the bar to which I gave an agonizing roar of “NOOOOO!!!” but somehow the bar drifted at that time more toward my head and I lost the lift. This is NOT the first time this guy has spotted me and should have known better. …sometimes I can’t help but shake my head at people)
107.2kgx2 (Double PR)
107.2kg x2

Flat DB press:
33.5kgx8
(2 min rest): 7,5
(3 min rest): 6,5

Technically, these are all PR’s as I’ve not done this weight fore each set before.

Stand Lat Pulldown Pressdowns:
7th pin: 5
6th pin: 8,7,6,6

These sucked as last week I did at least reps of 6-8 with the 7th pin. I could chalk this up to the previous exercise selections, but would rather say it’s time to change next week (3 weeks of this exercise is enough, I guess).

DB Mil Press (with back to wall to prevent my lower back from arching): 15kg ea: 8,8,7,7,5.

THese are freaking weird. I feel them in my upper back and have a REAL hard time of not arching my back (even when against a wall). I also have a VERY difficult time of bringing my arms closer over my head at the end of the press (this is where I get the feeling in my back and need fight the urge to arch). Any ideas about this?

Towel Face Pulls:
7th pin: 7,8,8,8,8

(Now these are still improving but I think something needs to change).

Apparently 1RM for ME days is not working. I’ve failed to top ME’s for the last 3 training sessions.

Maybe it’s time to mix it up with heavy doubles until the doubles become triples then back to mega heavy singles?? Thoughts?

AD

On the OH presses, you are arching back because of your ab strength. Every time you do a lift, if you are struggling through a specific point the body will find a way to shift things around so that it can get the work done.

As for singles on ME work, given your training history, I would only do them every once in a while, like at the end of a training cycle for a test day to gauge progress. You will probably respond better to three-rep maxes, since the stress to your CNS will not be as severe if you miss your third rep compared to busting a nut on a max bench.

It’s good that you diagnosed your own problems as that is the first step to learning how to design your own training. [/quote]

TThanks for the note and advice Novaeer,

I always thought my abs were strong enough for now…guess not. Do you think I should just endure the arching back and keep the weight the same on OHP’s?

And I’ll definitely do triples next week instead of Singles. So how does it work? I mean, is it exactly as a normal ME day except instead of working up to a 1RM, we stop at a 3RM? Then move on to assistance movements or should there be an extra set put in there.

Again, thanks for the help you gave and anything you can give.

Jason

[quote]ChaseT wrote:
2008.01.16

Sheiko #32 Week 1 Day 2

Squat
235x3x1
280x3x2
325x2x2
375x2x1
420x1x1
465x1x1 25lb PR 465lb Squat - YouTube
470x1x1 30lb PR 470lb Squat - YouTube

Bench Press
135x3x1
160x3x1
185x2x2
215x2x1
240x1x1
265x0x2
255x1x1 15lb PR

Deadlift
280x3x1
335x2x1
390x2x2
445x1x1
500x1x1
555x0x1

Not nearly enough sleep last night and I spent part of today cleaning up around the house to ensure domestic tranquility, so I was not as rested as I would have liked. The squats were great. The 265 on bench was so close but stalled out six inches from my chest each time. The second time, I thought I was going to get it, but my back slipped on the bench. I ate my pride and dropped it down 10lbs for a 15lb paused bench press PR. The 500lb rep on the deadlift went up much faster than the 500lb reps from last week, but 555 was just NOT going to happen tonight. When I lifted in the meet back in August, there was at least 6 hours between my squats and deadlifts. This session was finished and all the weight put away in under 1:45. I suppose I might have to drop my expectations within the confines of this type of testing. All in all, I’m pleased with the progress and will be testing again in three weeks.

Re: the videos. I know the 470lb lift would’ve been redlighted because my heel came up, but I’m counting it as a gym PR. Given how easy the 465lb lift was, I’m thinking I have more in the tank for when I test again in three weeks.[/quote]

Great work, those are some very admirable PRs! I hope it works that well for me! :slight_smile:

[quote]AlphaDragon wrote:
Pemdas wrote:
AD -

I pretty sure you have been doing full range of motion for all your bench work. I don’t think that an incline, decline, flat is a good rotation.

Thanks for the input, Pemdas.

Which one should be eliminated? The Decline?

Seems that flat bench is obvious as to the fact it should be included.

Articles on Elite say Incline is a great choice for the raw lifter.

So you’re suggesting more floor presses and boards?

AD[/quote]

The guys at elitefts recommend Floor Press, Incline, 2-Board, Flat and maybe 1-Board for raw lifters ME rotations. I would suggest rotating full range and partial range, but I don’t think that it really matters what the rotation is specifically.

[quote]Pemdas wrote:
AlphaDragon wrote:
Pemdas wrote:
AD -

I pretty sure you have been doing full range of motion for all your bench work. I don’t think that an incline, decline, flat is a good rotation.

Thanks for the input, Pemdas.

Which one should be eliminated? The Decline?

Seems that flat bench is obvious as to the fact it should be included.

Articles on Elite say Incline is a great choice for the raw lifter.

So you’re suggesting more floor presses and boards?

AD

The guys at elitefts recommend Floor Press, Incline, 2-Board, Flat and maybe 1-Board for raw lifters ME rotations. I would suggest rotating full range and partial range, but I don’t think that it really matters what the rotation is specifically. [/quote]

WHile I still don’t understand how partials work in getting strength, I’ll certainly do what I can to do as you suggest. Thanks, Pemdas.

Jason

[quote]AlphaDragon wrote:
Pemdas wrote:
AlphaDragon wrote:
Pemdas wrote:
AD -

I pretty sure you have been doing full range of motion for all your bench work. I don’t think that an incline, decline, flat is a good rotation.

Thanks for the input, Pemdas.

Which one should be eliminated? The Decline?

Seems that flat bench is obvious as to the fact it should be included.

Articles on Elite say Incline is a great choice for the raw lifter.

So you’re suggesting more floor presses and boards?

AD

The guys at elitefts recommend Floor Press, Incline, 2-Board, Flat and maybe 1-Board for raw lifters ME rotations. I would suggest rotating full range and partial range, but I don’t think that it really matters what the rotation is specifically.

WHile I still don’t understand how partials work in getting strength, I’ll certainly do what I can to do as you suggest. Thanks, Pemdas.

Jason
[/quote]

Its all part of the conjugate training principles. Instead of training the whole lift you train part of the lift. For example, floor press takes your legs out of the picture and your lats and shoulders for the most part. Using different board heights lets you train different parts of the lift. For example, you might be really strong off the chest, but kind of stall 6-8in off your chest. 2-board or 3-board will take away the initial momentum that would allow you to normally blast passed your sticking point. In addition, the boards let you get used to handling heavy weight so that when you go back to full range, the bar feels light. I hope that helped some. I highly suggest that you started browsing though the articles on elitfts.com and westsidebarbell.com. I still go back and reread stuff all the time.

To answer your other question. Yes, you would just work up to a 3RM instead of a 1RM. You can estimate your 3 RM by taking roughly 90% of your 1RM.

01/17/08 - Lower (DE)

A) 14" Box Squat with 5/8" chains
barx15
135+1 chain x8
225+1 chain x2
225+1 chain x2 (playing around with lead chain length)
225+1 chain x2 ( " " )
225+2 chains x2x3
225+3 chains x2x3
245+3 chains x2x4

B) Sumo Deadlift
135x6
225x3
315x3
405x3
455x8! (PR +10lbs & 2 reps)
405x3 (fried)

C) Pendlay Rows
225x6
225x6
225x6
225x6
225x6

D) Hanging Leg Raise
x15 (knees to elbows)
x10 (rollups)
x20 (speed)

I dropped the weight down to 225 for DE squats today with the plan of adding an extra chain. Speed was good off the box, so I upped it to 245. This is still lower than where I “should” be for weight, but I don’t want to compromise speed at this early stage in my return to DE work.

I was feeling good so I knew I had a PR in me for Sumo’s. This is the third week in a row hitting a PR. I got the first 6 fine. The seventh was a little slow at the top, so I quit there, started to walk away, and said fuck it, I’ve got one more in me. Nailed the 8th rep for a 10lb PR and 2 extra reps.

I decided to get a little extra volume in with the Pendlay Rows, so I stuck with 225 for straight sets.

Couple of questions for all you Westside gurus:

  1. How many ME upper exercises do you rotate in a cycle?

  2. Do you change your ME exercise once you start to stall or after a predetermined amount of time (eg. every 2 weeks)? I hear a lot of guys say they change the movement after 1 or 2 weeks, but if you’re still making progress should you still change it?

Thanks in advance.

1/17/08- Thurs- GPP/Recovery

47 minutes incline treadmill (4.0 incline)- 2.75 miles

20 Minutes Epsom Salt Bath

[quote]Reef wrote:
Couple of questions for all you Westside gurus:

  1. How many ME upper exercises do you rotate in a cycle?

  2. Do you change your ME exercise once you start to stall or after a predetermined amount of time (eg. every 2 weeks)? I hear a lot of guys say they change the movement after 1 or 2 weeks, but if you’re still making progress should you still change it?

Thanks in advance.[/quote]

It depends on a number of factors. If you are new to westside and or your training age is still young then you can probably get away with 3-4 weeks strait with same movement. However, that will quickly change. Whether or not you have done the movement before is also a factor.

In my own experence, I can get way with an extra week if it is movement that I have never done before. I used to rotate every 2 weeks, but recently that has started not work so well for me, so I switched to rotating every week. I tend to rotated 4-5 movements.

If any of you guys are interested, I started a youtube page where i’m videotaping my training leading into my next three meets. I’m also rehabbing a torn adductor muscle. I have three videos up now and will continue to post them after each training session.

my screen name is rawelite.

meat

ME Deadlift

25 lb. Plate Deadlift
95x8
145x5
165x5
195x5
215x5
235x3
255x5 (PR+10)
265x5 (PR+20)
I’m stoked about that deadlift. It was my best deadlift plus two reps from a 3 inch deficit. I’m going to pull double bodyweight (finally) very soon.

Bulgarian Split Squats 30’sx2x10

Assisted Manual Hamstring Raise 10, 8, 6

DE UPPER
dynamic warm up
reverse hyper attempted to pause at top 180 310
lat tower abs 100
10 12510 1505
calves 9020 13520 18020
clings 20
10 3010 4010
chuck v lat pulls 10020 12515 15015 17515
dumbbell rows 80 3*15

bench
9510
135
10
add doubled mini bands
1353
175
3 8 sets

band push downs

Elbows shoulders knees killing me time for a deload.

1/18/08: DE Lower

Squat (no box/chains):
45x10x2
95x5
135x5
185x3
225x2x10

Speed Pulls:
275x1x8

GM:
45x10x2
95x8
135x6,5,4

Cable Pull Through:
240x8
200x10x2
240x10x2

Today was bad, I’m beat up from work and class and had little energy. Everything felt heavy, slow and just not what I wanted. Throw in under 100g carbs a day and I’m spent, I need some sleep and a carb up this weekend.

On the plus side, I’m noticeably less fat/bloated today than I was a week ago. Damn carbs…

2008.01.18

Sheiko #32 Week 1 Day 3

Squat
235x3x1
280x3x2
325x3x2
350x2x4

Bench Press
145x3x1
175x3x2
200x3x6

Chin-up
BW+15x5x5

Press
100x5x5

Good Morning
140x5x5

Hanging Leg Raise
BWx12x2
BWx7/3/2

Notes
No belt or knee sleeves. Total time ~75 minutes. Good mornings on one minute intervals, two minute intervals on everything else. I was feeling tired today. The bench sets felt hard. My will/energy ran out on the last set of hanging leg raises. I had at least two more reps, but I gave up at seven.

DE Lower

Box Squat Blue Bands - Last week I just choked the bands around the bottom of the rack. I barely had tension at the bottom so this week I choked the bands around the bottom of the rack and a DB. Hole shit band tension.
45x2x2
65x2
85x2
105x5x2

Speed Pulls
355x1x6

SLDL
225x8
245x6
265x6
275x6
295x8 - PR+70 for this rep range
315x4 - PR+30 for rep range

Ab-Pulldowns
125x15
130x2x15

Leg Press
(12 Plates)x5x10

DONE!! Good training today.